Invested info with Kelly level: PS: Total amount is: 860.9103212818 323.3424080619 10
249.8881981586 1
146.7033711919 1
82.3783590852 1
30.1855716302 1
10.0786226722 1
6.2467537964 3
5.0469338957 1
2.0157588309 1
1.4257787196 1
1.0084944998 1
0.9997288744 1
0.4477338099 1
0.2504415431 1
0.2147949360 1
0.1171006375 1
0.1103435051 1
0.1003820109 1
0.1002196373 1
0.0651226700 1
0.0587776796 1
0.0559301949 1
0.0529537023 1
0.0131775870 1
0.0017305236 1
0.0010454534 1
0.0004672885 1
0.0000720813 1
0.0000304539 1
0.0000117786 1
0.0000025464 1
0.0000007479 1
0.0000007219 1
0.0000005755 1
0.0000005152 1
0.0000004318 1
0.0000004227 1
0.0000003635 1
0.0000000388 1
0.0000000084 1
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From what i know the max profit is 1% of the bankroll by default. BUT! The site also has a x Kelly option. Im assuming you know what it means and how it changes the max profit. Investors who invest a large enough sum can request a custom x Kelly from the admin from what i have heard. (P.S When you click on the investment you see the x Kelly there) Im pretty sure quite a few investors are trying the x Kelly  I had no idea you could change that. Thank you. That means the average investor "kelly number" is 4.7 %! Either some investors are really stupid or the number is wrong. We have no way of knowing. Well im sure admin will tell the % of some investors, as long as they allow it. But i think some of them have kelly x10 but no other way of asking (you can do it by emailing the admin) As for the "stupid part" it is not more stupid than investing in general. Higher risk higher reward, it is exactly the same as investing more on 1% bankroll with the only difference that you do not need to deposit as many coins . Making it safer to a degree. Yes, I take the stupid part back  It's actually not stupid at all! It let's you deposit way less than you otherwise had to, and lower your couterparty risk. This is actually an awesome feature! Why don't you advertise it more? I will soon, I just implemented it ( week ago ), it's still under review. I need to know from what amount I will allow to change it, as users who don't have much will lose everything pretty quickly, so at the moment I think about proof of funds for at least 100BTC to allow this change. |
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So, as a follow up. I suggest bitdice.me publish a weekly (anonymized) list of investors together with the invested amounts and their risk (kelly). That's what just-dice did.
Since the total amounts should add up to the invested amount on the website, and the amounts multiplied with the kelly percentages should add up to the bankroll.
That way each investor can check that their amount is in the list and the community can be reasonable sure that the accounting is done correctly.
Nice idea, will do it later today. At least I can bump the thread once in a while  |
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In this transaction 188oB1TR6gNXxzyxJCyck9BHkU4dBMVmVg sends btc directly to bitdice.me coldwallet. both last 2 transactions 1 day before the D.N heist... In regards to the Dice.Ninja theft. I've read DN topics, AKC lost ~400BTC on BitDice and I moved funds to coldwallet. |
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Well, I already told in email.
Yes. We have investor with 300BTC who sets kelly x10. One (small one) with x3, all the rest with 1x.
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You all are fucking crazy. Let people decide if they want to play with you . Next thing I want to hear is owner of Crypto Hall tell me to invest in his site.
Bitcoin is anonymous, you all owners have advantage of doubt.
You know why your site sucks? it has only 100 coins invested and 400 coins profit which came from only 1 guy's loss. Your site sucks at UI and support. You want to win over trust? Let btctalks most trusted member hold the funds. Until then shut up and don't talk about trust. DB DN are sites I lost huge sums of money at, to only win 1% of wagered which is not even twice the amount I invest.
Bitcoin allows you guys to scam users and should not be trusted with a single penny.
"You can't say that some casino isn't trustworthy." - Oh Yeah, thats what DB and DN said. Look what happened.
It has 500 coins invested, profits from that's investments are about 100BTC, which makes 600, 300+BTC profits has been already withdrawn by investors, also AKC lost only 75% of funds. You are also the first who said our UI is bad as well as our support. I'm sorry that you lost your investments on other sites but that doesn't mean all the rest are the same. |
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It's starting to look that way. Maybe one day there will be another trustworthy crowd-funded casino owner, and I hope so. But it's not looking good so far.
By that everyone could read you as "I say that all existent casinos with invest options are scam". I do not think it's right to say that while at least three casinos are working good so far and the "youngest" one is 8 month old. I don't mean to say that all the other sites are scams. I just mean that none of the other sites have shown themselves to be trustworthy yet. And when I say "trustworthy" I don't just mean that they're honest. I also mean that they're capable of keeping my coins safe. If my coins are stolen because of a hack or a software error I'm just as sad as if a dishonest operator steals them himself. I looked at bitdice.me and it had only a few hundred BTC invested. It seems like around 2000 BTC is what scammers consider a decent haul. Maybe bitdice.me just didn't reach its target yet. I'm not saying it has a target at which point it will steal all the coins. I'm simply saying that I don't think they have demonstrated that they don't. And I realise that you can say the same about any site. People used to always be asking me on Just-Dice "what's your target? when will you run?". I tried to explain that I didn't have a target and wasn't going to run. At one point I was holding over 50 million dollars' worth of other people's coins and still didn't run - and still they asked "what, are you holding out for $100 million"? Maybe I'm even running a long con, will re-launch Just-Dice, and THEN steal all the coins - so I get it - you can't 100% prove you're trustworthy and it's all just different shades of grey. You can't say that some casino isn't trustworthy. (except that bets are rigged, provably fair isn't that fair, etc). I knew about Deans bugs, but I believe every casino had them. Some are better at security some less. But everyone do mistakes, the fact how one solve them can say something about how things are going internally. But by any means it can't say whether it's trustworthy or not. BitDice for example has about 20 security protocols which are constantly monitors everything and block users on some patterns. I think most casino's have those. I was naive a few times and also lost coins on hot wallet due some mistakes, however losses weren't that big, and I covered everything from my pocket. That's the business. Recently I've read some article that one famous guy lost >1k BTC on Bali from cold storage. Even coldwallet isn't 100% secure to hold user funds. (thus I'm thinking to move to P2SH) I warned some users ( who invested in me, and plays on mine sites ) about DN's problems almost a week before the run. Casino's became scam because of no business model. I like Deans decision to change investing model, casino's always should get some profits. With DN's case their servers cost was ~1500 per month, without ANY profit whatsoever from sites for several months. And I believe they just lost funds on margin trading when tried to fix the situation. Dooglus you situation is exclusive, you started at the time when bitcoin price was very low, it was easy to gain trust to hold several thousands coins. You was the first with investing option. You were in a superb position when price raised to the moon at that time you already had a lot of coins and you get richer day by day. For some people holding $100k in investors funds is fortune for others $500k is just a yearly salary without a bonus. Last ones do not have any reason to scam. They need exit like with satoshidice. |
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It's starting to look that way. Maybe one day there will be another trustworthy crowd-funded casino owner, and I hope so. But it's not looking good so far.
By that everyone could read you as "I say that all existent casinos with invest options are scam". I do not think it's right to say that while at least three casinos are working good so far and the "youngest" one is 8 month old. |
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IDK whats up with PRC, but seems we are the last resort DDoS much? Dunno, PRC thread's empty so I took a chance to remind about the best option available Chat and betting are still up @ PRCDice. The attacker must not have known they are on separate servers  O rly? What's going on in chat? Dean around? Azure downtime or smth else? |
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IDK whats up with PRC, but seems we are the last resort DDoS much? Dunno, PRC thread's empty so I took a chance to remind about the best option available |
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IDK whats up with PRC, but seems we are the last resort |
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You forgot about us: BitDice.me |
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Busy gambling sites need to provide high security as well as serve high traffic. In which language today's top sites are coded ? Which DB are they using ? I'm listing a few sites below. Please post if u know about their configuration. If u know about a site which is not in the list, please post that too... Following table is updated as per latest data found in this thread... | Site | Server | Backend | Socket lib | DB/Storage | Frontend | | Just-Dice.com | | Node.js | socket.io | redis+MySQL | | | PrimeDice.com | Cowboy | Node.js | socket.io | PostgreSQL | EmberJS | | DiceBitco.in | nginx | Node.js+Express | Primus | | AngularJS | | Dicenow.com | nginx | Node.js+Express | socket.io | | AngularJS | | Satoshibet.com | nginx | Node.js | socket.io | | | | MoneyPot.com | Cowboy | Node.js | socket.io | PostgreSQL | | | PRCDice.eu | MS-IIS | .NET | SignalR | | | | Win88.me | MS-IIS | .NET | ServiceStack | | AngularJS | | Peerbet.org | MS-IIS | .NET | --- | | | | Dice.ninja | cyclone | Python | sockjs-cyclone | MySQL | | | luckyb.it | | Python+Flask | --- | | | | Rollin.io | Apache | PHP+laravel | socket.io | | | | BitDice.me | nginx | RoR+RabbitMQ | | Redis+MySQL | | | PocketDice.io | nginx | PHP | socket.io | --- | AngularJS | | Satoshibet.com | --- | --- | --- | mySQL+mongo | --- | | bitdice.me | nginx | RoR | tubesock | --- | CoffeScript |
Hey, why there's second BitDice.me with PHP settings? That's ain't true Oops... that was my editing mistake. I forgot to change the first column while editing the table for PocketDice.io. @dogedice.me It is nice to see U here. Care to tell us the column values for dogedice.me/bitdice.me ? Thanks I use tubesock to hijack rack and implement WebSockets in RoR, client code is my own with re-connection and error handling. I do not have any front-end as it's single page app, JavaScript is written with CoffeScript and its pure jQuery with Bootstrap. I'm not very familiar with some of the technologies U r talking about. I have updated your row with what I understood. Please let me know if those are fine... It'd be great to know which DB U r using here... BitDice.me & bitdice.me are the same As main storage I use MySQL, Redis is being used to all realtime data & caching. |
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Busy gambling sites need to provide high security as well as serve high traffic. In which language today's top sites are coded ? Which DB are they using ? I'm listing a few sites below. Please post if u know about their configuration. If u know about a site which is not in the list, please post that too... Following table is updated as per latest data found in this thread... | Site | Server | Backend | Socket lib | DB/Storage | Frontend | | Just-Dice.com | | Node.js | socket.io | redis+MySQL | | | PrimeDice.com | Cowboy | Node.js | socket.io | PostgreSQL | EmberJS | | DiceBitco.in | nginx | Node.js+Express | Primus | | AngularJS | | Dicenow.com | nginx | Node.js+Express | socket.io | | AngularJS | | Satoshibet.com | nginx | Node.js | socket.io | | | | MoneyPot.com | Cowboy | Node.js | socket.io | PostgreSQL | | | PRCDice.eu | MS-IIS | .NET | SignalR | | | | Win88.me | MS-IIS | .NET | ServiceStack | | AngularJS | | Peerbet.org | MS-IIS | .NET | --- | | | | Dice.ninja | cyclone | Python | sockjs-cyclone | MySQL | | | luckyb.it | | Python+Flask | --- | | | | Rollin.io | Apache | PHP+laravel | socket.io | | | | BitDice.me | nginx | RoR+RabbitMQ | | Redis+MySQL | | BitDice.mePocketDice.io | nginx | PHP | socket.io | --- | AngularJS | | Satoshibet.com | --- | --- | --- | mySQL+mongo | --- |
Hey, why there's second BitDice.me with PHP settings? That's ain't true Oops... that was my editing mistake. I forgot to change the first column while editing the table for PocketDice.io. @dogedice.me It is nice to see U here. Care to tell us the column values for dogedice.me/bitdice.me ? Thanks I use tubesock to hijack rack and implement WebSockets in RoR, client code is my own with re-connection and error handling. I do not have any front-end as it's single page app, JavaScript is written with CoffeScript and its pure jQuery with Bootstrap. |
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That's a really sad development, guys. All the best, guys. Hopefully in time Russia will adopt a more lenient stance toward cryptos and you guys will be back.
They ain't Russians, they just sweep their tracks, AKC has found info that they are from Greece. |
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New statistic since last update:
DogeDice:
Bets Made: 21,984,514 (+ 2975562)
Wagered Amount: 9,996,188,209 Dogecoins (+ 2,351,168,806 Ð)
Invested: 269,221,287 Dogecoins (+ 133,646,350 Ð)
Site Profit: -14,740,561 Ð (- 50,480,133 Ð) [AKC won 100M total]
BitDice:
Bets Made: 1,026,886 (+ 431,346)
Wagered Amount: 7,657.88 BTC (+ 6721.73 BTC)
Invested: 25,128.05 BTC (+ 25019,01 BTC)
Site Profit: 475.58 BTC (+ 359,15 BTC)
Some News:
I've started a signature campaign yesterday hope it will attract more players.
Also our max profit is the second among ALL dice sites, its 31BTC. By request I implemented a kelly investments on site and one of our investors has set it to 10x Kelly.
I would also suggest to those who afraid to invest big amounts in me to invest at least 100BTC and set 10x Kelly, this will effectively sets your investments to 1000BTC [Of course in case of a good gambler strikes you will need to redeposit coins to cover your losses but it's the same as holding 1000BTC except with Kelly you eliminate trust problem]
Regards,
Alex
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Busy gambling sites need to provide high security as well as serve high traffic. In which language today's top sites are coded ? Which DB are they using ? I'm listing a few sites below. Please post if u know about their configuration. If u know about a site which is not in the list, please post that too... Following table is updated as per latest data found in this thread... | Site | Server | Backend | Socket lib | DB/Storage | Frontend | | Just-Dice.com | | Node.js | socket.io | redis+MySQL | | | PrimeDice.com | Cowboy | Node.js | socket.io | PostgreSQL | EmberJS | | DiceBitco.in | nginx | Node.js+Express | Primus | | AngularJS | | Dicenow.com | nginx | Node.js+Express | socket.io | | AngularJS | | Satoshibet.com | nginx | Node.js | socket.io | | | | MoneyPot.com | Cowboy | Node.js | socket.io | PostgreSQL | | | PRCDice.eu | MS-IIS | .NET | SignalR | | | | Win88.me | MS-IIS | .NET | ServiceStack | | AngularJS | | Peerbet.org | MS-IIS | .NET | --- | | | | Dice.ninja | cyclone | Python | sockjs-cyclone | MySQL | | | luckyb.it | | Python+Flask | --- | | | | Rollin.io | Apache | PHP+laravel | socket.io | | | | BitDice.me | nginx | RoR+RabbitMQ | | Redis+MySQL | | | BitDice.me | nginx | PHP | socket.io | --- | AngularJS | | Satoshibet.com | --- | --- | --- | mySQL+mongo | --- |
Hey, why there's second BitDice.me with PHP settings? That's ain't true |
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BitDice.me - we have the highest profits compared to invested amounts Your investors are lucky Any proofs without info on your site? I mean cold wallet address.. Sure, we have it open in our official topic, with signed text, here is the address: 19yR1HxBNy5As4joecih4wgj8Cpe5SdmWk |
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BitDice.me - we have the highest profits compared to invested amounts |
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