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561  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [AUCTION] 2016 Lealana Brass 5 XMR Monero Coin (Unfunded) FINISHING TODAY on: October 31, 2021, 08:02:19 PM
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562  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [AUCTION] 2016 Luckybit Rose Gold Coin 97/100 (unfunded) FINISHING TODAY on: October 31, 2021, 07:55:16 PM
.0025BTC
563  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [AUCTION] 2016 Lealana Brass 5 XMR Monero Coin (Unfunded) FINISHING TODAY on: October 31, 2021, 07:54:03 PM
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564  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [AUCTION] 2016 Luckybit Rose Gold Coin 97/100 (unfunded) FINISHING TODAY on: October 31, 2021, 07:42:15 PM
.0018BTC
565  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [AUCTION] 2016 Lealana Brass 5 XMR Monero Coin (Unfunded) on: October 30, 2021, 10:56:43 PM
.0016BTC
566  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [Auction] BeYourOwnBank "Hope" & "Despair" | #001-#010 | Extras inside! ~ 6 Days on: October 30, 2021, 04:02:32 PM
#004 @ 0.001
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567  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [FREE] VaultBar (Social Experiment) on: October 24, 2021, 11:02:37 AM
Fun experiment!
568  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [WTS] Coinbell's by Ledger - FULL SET - Only 0.035 BTC - PRICED TO SELL! on: October 23, 2021, 04:23:30 PM
PM'd you
569  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [AUCTION] 2017 Silver Sun 1/10oz BTC coins on: October 18, 2021, 05:33:04 PM
If there is enough interest here I can always make a 2021 version

Do it !!!  Grin

yes, please
570  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [AUCTION] 2017 Silver Sun 1/10oz BTC coins on: October 17, 2021, 10:24:47 PM
4 @ .00014
571  Economy / Collectibles / Re: (NFT'S) Anyone want to comment on them? on: October 16, 2021, 06:57:20 PM
There's so much positive commentary on NFTs here, so I'll offer a contrary opinion...

NFTs are currently extremely overhyped and even more extremely overvalued.

First off, NFT = Non-Fungible Token. One of the largest value props of Bitcoin is that it's fungible. One sat is worth just as much as the next sat, and the network doesn't discriminate. With NFTs, you're creating tokens which each have a distinctive, subjective value, rather than a more widely agreed upon objective value, determined from multiple global exchanges.

Nothing wrong with subjective value. To some degree, most value is subjective, but I feel like people are investing in these non-fungible tokens as if they were fungible.

The value of holding a token which is tied to some other object, whether it be physical or digital, makes very little sense to me. Okay, so you're the owner of this particular digital image because you hold the private keys to a digital token linked in some way to the image. What does that do to you? What extra satisfaction is there for the key holder?

Compare this to an original painting that one has physical possession of. The painting itself has value over a digital image of the painting for several reasons - it's a physical object, and more about the painting can be appreciated because of the nuances that can't be replicated with a digital scan - the feel and visual texture of the medium, how it looks at different light angles, etc. This I can understand. But the digital image is something so cheap with modern technology that it is indefinitely replicable for a cost that is very near zero.

Disclaimer - I bought a bunch of rare pepes back in 2017 because it was novel and fun, and a good network stress test. Though why people are willing to trade large amounts of real BTC for these digital tokens is beyond me. In pre Bitcoin world, it would be like trading a bar of gold for Pokemon cards - sure, you might get lucky, and get some valuable card you can pass off to someone else, but fundamentally it's trading real wealth for more subjective, imaginary value. Part of me feels bad when I sell a Pepe card for BTC. And I would never be buying Pepes at these prices.

NFTs may have a place in the collector's world. But this initial hype doesn't correlate to the "value" offered by corresponding digital tokens. From my perspective, this is a giant money grab from both artists and speculators looking for another way to cash in from noobs caught up in the current crypto hype cycle.

That being said, I'm all about the free market, and other people's choices are ultimately none of my business. The above is me thinking aloud and voicing my opinion. Happy to hear from people as to why NFTs give them value, or other arguments as to what justifies the current hype.

I think you're allowing the genuine examples of hype and overvalued NFTs to cloud your view of the use cases that go far beyond digital art. There are indeed many overhyped projects and those are the ones that make headlines because people love to hear how someone paid a million dollars for a jpeg. These are the NFTs that offer no utility beyond a digital flex of wealth as one's profile pic. My unsolicited advice would be to make sure that the noise doesn't prevent you from missing the true value here. In my personal opinion, the value of NFTs is not so much in digital art (with art being so subjective, it's nearly impossible to say what the value should be), but rather in the realm of online gaming and access to unique events or clubs. To see this, one needs to look no further than what is already happening in gaming with people purchasing downloadable content (DLC) like skins, mods, digital items, etc for use in-game. This is happening right now to the tune of millions of dollars being spent in fiat currency. Now imagine what happens if you make that content as an NFT instead and remove all barriers to the free and open cross-border exchange of these items on the blockchain.  Also, consider that there are a multitude of projects today that already use the NFTs as keys or tickets basically to access special content or events that would otherwise be inaccessible.

Additional use-cases I see are news organizations using them to digitally sign a video as authentic in an era of deep fakes being rampantly spread. A photographer could use an NFT as a digital receipt to allow the holder to possess commercial reuse rights to that image. There are many many more likely use-cases that I am not even considering. NFT art is simply the tip of the iceberg. Personally, I think that yes there will be a bubble pop for NFTs as art similar to what happened with the dot com bubble pop in the late 90s. But what happened after that pop? Did the Internet go away? Nope, instead, when people looked away the development continued behind the scenes until the world was ready for the ideas that people had a bit too early in the 90s. I see the same thing happening for NFTs.

The fungible vs non-fungible point you make is valid. In the NFT space, you need to realize that the market is highly illiquid compared to the trade of fungible tokens as a result of their uniqueness. That doesn't mean they aren't an incredible opportunity for massive gains, just invest accordingly per your risk tolerance and understand that most NFT projects are like investing in a new startup company so do your due diligence as with any investment.

My kids and I have been having some fun messing around on zed.run and somehow we've become racehorse owner/breeders in the metaverse lol. Maybe this will be generational wealth along with a small gallery of early original NFT pieces of art (not puhnks or apes lol) that the kids have created and maybe just a bit of family history on the blockchain. Here's a series, The Loon Collection, my boy and his buddy have created: https://opensea.io/collection/fancy-loon-legionofcrypto-1 -- Feel free to leave a little like/love encouragement to the noobs!
572  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [INTEREST CHECK] Polymerbit Loaded Certificates on: October 16, 2021, 06:20:32 PM
yes
573  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: World's Most Valuable Coin - the $48 Million Gold 1,000 Bitcoin Gold Cas on: October 06, 2021, 02:06:05 AM
In before someone comments that the buyer would have been better off holding their Bitcoin and not purchasing this coin in the first place...
Be careful OP, I've gotten negative trust feedback for mentioning a coin's value in USD.  Cheesy
Sorry for the obvious troll.  I just love the double standards of this place sometimes.  

This is no doubt a great coin.  I really enjoy looking at mine (although it has been a few years since I've seen it, lol).  The idea that a few lines of test on the blockchain is the only thing keeping mine from being the most valuable coin in the world is pretty cool, although I guess everyone could say that same thing about their Bitcoin wallets.   Smiley

the only way that it would have been worth more if they bought/held btc is if the same amount spent on the coin would have been used to buy btc and only then if that btc was would today be worth more than that coin. If so, then it would have been better to buy/hodl the btc. If not, then the coin is a better deal. Probably helps that the coin is super rare and made of gold that so that increases the value, quite a bit imo.

that is not the same as the guys who spent btc to buy your seats, while your seats are (for some) worth more USD now than maybe they spent ie paid 100 bucks and seat is worth 110 bucks (made up numbers, I have no idea what anyone paid or what their seats are worth and that would vary for each person) so yes they are up 10% but had they bought 100 bucks in btc and held it, they would be up considerably more.

in the end, i think it is safe to say, hindsight being 20/20 the best anyone could have done was to buy btc and hodl.

These coins were priced in USD and offered for sale in Bitcoin, exactly the same situation as my offerings...  Just stating the facts.  There is literally nothing you could have purchased back then in the world that would be worth more BTC today than back then.  Even the Coinbase initial ownership offering has failed to keep up with Bitcoin itself.  I feel this is necessary to continue to point out until the community gets it.  This thread is a perfect example...  People are valuing things in USD, not BTC.  All the major news agencies aren't giving the purchase price in BTC for a reason.  It doesn't matter.

Edit: For anyone actually wondering (not that it matters), the purchase price when released for these Casascius coins in Bitcoin was 1,578.125 BTC.  By the logic of some on this forum, that means purchasing one of these coins would have resulted in the loss of over 550 BTC (or more than $27,500,000), so we can all breathe a sigh of release that we didn't purchase one.
Would you rather have a coin locked away in an offshore vault or an extra 550 BTC? (sigh)
574  Economy / Collectibles / Re: Charity Auction Ideas ? on: September 25, 2021, 07:41:04 PM
Make Bitcointalk NFT project. Easy million for Charity Tongue

lol not a bad idea sir  Smiley


i find this again a very good idea from you and i once even found a site that accepts donations in Bitcoin or other cryptocurrencies.

Quote
100% of every dollar donated for research is invested in our research grants. Our operating expenses are covered by separate foundation grants.
https://www.bbrfoundation.org/get-involved/donate-cryptocurrency

so you could send the Bitcoin amount to the donation address right after the auction ends Smiley
i am already curious what you will offer us at the auction then Smiley

I have a few things that might interest people that I plan on adding to the charity auction, but I hope that others will consider adding items as well.  Most of us in here are very fortune in life, so giving back, and least for me is very important.  I was hoping by asking others if they have any causes they like that it would spark a little more action with the auction.  One idea I'm having is maybe I run a charity auction and the proceeds get split up between a couple different causes. 

I'll donate some items that may be of interest as well for a good mental health or children's cause. Plus, I'll bid on one of Mopar's dope clocks. Please PM when the time comes. Great idea~ sweeteye
575  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [FREE RAFFLE] 2nd 1HoDLCLUB Free raffle / 3 lot ! 31 slots letfs on 100 on: September 25, 2021, 07:30:11 PM
lucky 86, please - sweeteye

Thanks for the raffle!
576  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [AUCTION] 2018 Dodgers Crypto Token card on: September 19, 2021, 01:48:02 AM
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577  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [FREE RAFFLE] 2nd 1HoDLCLUB Free raffle / 3 lot ! Memberships and Book ! on: September 16, 2021, 05:10:22 PM
sweeteye -29

Thanks for the raffle!
578  Economy / Collectibles / Re: Where did all the OG collectors go? on: September 15, 2021, 03:21:06 AM
What is an OG collector, anyway? I bought a couple dozens of Casascius from Mr. Mike Caldwell himself at end of 2012. Am I an OG?  Cool

Yes :-)

I know of a few. Mostly they have all the coins they want, they will NEVER sell them, and they have enough money now to do whatever the fuck they like. Blazed had what, like 40k coins at one point? He's a billionaire, doing billionaire things I imagine.

Don't know if he is that rich, but I know a lot of collectors that picked up a lot of loaded items early 2020 when BTC was low and are now waiting for the next price drop.
With the next drop being an individual amount for each person.

I actually have just not been 'moved' by any new collectable lately. No idea why, there have been a bunch of "that's cool" but not a lot of "I MUST HAVE THAT"

-Dave


There is this company making these really dope copper knuckles...  Roll Eyes
579  Economy / Collectibles / Re: 8 issues of August/September FORTUNE Magazine on: August 30, 2021, 12:14:10 PM
Locking this thread and awaiting payment on items 5 and 7.
Look for a raffle of some remaining mags in the coming days.
Thanks, sweeteye
580  Economy / Collectibles / Re: 8 issues of August/September FORTUNE Magazine on: August 24, 2021, 11:24:01 PM
+1 here number 7
OP updated to here.
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