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Largest circle jerk of bullshit I've ever had the pleasure of wasting my time reading.
There is no way of knowing if this is a con or not until someone does/does not receive the boards that were ordered. Plan and simple
This is just a show off thread for people who think they're just the smartest people alive so far.
Thanks for taking the time to try to clear the air on the product Inaba, I really do appreciate it, but again read second line. Until 10 or 15 of these boards arrive and are hashing away it's sketchy to me. If you think it's real, buy it but you're warned. Think it's a con great I think your point has been made 70 pages ago.
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Those uses would be to students who would get educational discounts on brand new FPGAs and to businesses who are unlikely to buy from another person and probably not used either. I work for a large corporation and nothing could be purchased from someone off the street. It would have to be an approved vendor which takes quite the approval process. Even then the company I work for would never buy something used. So to address your answer, no there is still no resale value.
FPGA's are still a hobbyist toy and if they can get their hands on an inexpensive high performance used one, game on! Did we not rule out the idea that these could be pure FPGA's? I thought there was no way to make these number works?
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But that seems to be the way to handle things in the US.
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The other advantage of 1200W is that if you later change your mind you could build an open extended frame, buy 4 extenders, add one more 5970 and convert it into a 4x5970 rig (~3GH/s). I would recommend this. If bitcoin goes up you'll be happy, if bitcoin goes down its pretty safe to say you'll have a computer you'll be happy with for some years down the road. The 890 is an AM3+ board so you can always grab a 6 core later on down the road. I know this isn't frugal, but do you think this $50 acrylic open case would work? I have seen this being used, AceJam I believe, and it works good. It's a bit more oddball, but a shoe rack works good too!  (with the use of extenders of course) |
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I am expecting to have the silver round on Dec 1.
Put one on hold for me buddy! |
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I have been looking into making something like this for about 6 months. It seems that something like this can be made for around $800-$900ish now. I will be looking into it. However the resale on the GPUs are good. I made all of my rigs to run as mid-high gaming machines so I can sell them quickly if need be.
Despite BFL claims their product does not have many uses outside of mining bitcoins so the resale is almost nothing. I expect to get most of my profit when I sell the used hardware. A 6990 will be useful for years and years down the road.
As far as I know, we still don't know what chip this is. FPGA's are reprogrammable and have many uses |
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So,
Does everyone plan on buying these widgets--provided they work and stuff?
If they work, I may consider buying them like I do GPU's. Gradually build up |
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Ah, I didn't catch that. Yea, a cpu miner will have a few invalids. You aren't CPU and GPU mining on one rig are you?
If you are I'd stop, dedicated GPU mining will give you a higher hashrate than doing both on one machine. I'd stop pcu mining altogether, not worth the >150W you're consuming
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I have 410 Mhash/s (even though ABC is showing 320) and I have 0.01 since I mentioned I made the switch.
Interestingly enough I just saw my first rejected share (not even stale) from my Ufasoft miner. There also seems to be a few minutes at least delay between when my miner shows a share to when its registered on the site. I really hope this is just a delay. Has anyone else experienced rejected shares before and what does that even mean?
Hash rate will be different between the miner and the site. The miner is real time, whereas the site is average shares submitted. Same goes for the delay in what you see on the site as submitted shares and what your display on the miner reads. Your rejected share is probably a share submitted after a block was solved. This still happens with LP enabled, just not as frequently. |
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I think he's referring to their FAQ. http://www.abcpool.co/faq.php#feesWhat are your transaction fees? Transaction fees for withdrawal of your balance are modelled after the default bitcoin client transaction rules. This means a default fee of 0.0005 BTC. For withdrawals below 0.2 BTC we charge 0.01 BTC. Guess I never looked at it close enough? My withdraw was set at 10btc then manually transferred to 3 separate wallets. I'll go look back at that deposit wallet I guess. Yeah I guess I was a bit off on the percentage but its still very low. This is just the standard bitcoin network fee. This is waived by deepbit but will still amount to next than nothing in the big picture. This is my first 0% fee pool and it will be interesting to see if my shares match up with my miner now that I am at a PPS pool. Anyways if its the same number of shares showing submitted at Deepbit this will be a much more profitable pool for me.
From my experience; at my lower hashrates, PPS was always better |
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Did the calculation on my shares submitted to deepbit and I would have made 1 more BTC at ABCPool (6.3) so I have officially made the switch. To get the 0 fee you have to manually set it though because they try to include a 4% "donation". You also have to pay the tranasction fees for transferring to your wallet which are 0.1% so not a big deal at all given that I am not paying a fee.
All 0% fee pools do this. It's not to trick you, they get most their income from donations, and it would be nice if you donated every once in a while. Also I never paid a fee when I was there on a withdraw |
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I'm open-minded about open-air. I like the idea of a chassis if it doesn't turn out to add silly expense or inconvenience.
Unfortunately, with 3 or 4 GPU's you'll need a E-AXT, XL-AXT or HPTX. All of which are expensive boards and enclosing them is equally expensive. You can do an ATX board, but you need PCIe extensions because of the heat generated and it will no longer fit in an off-the-shelf enclosure. BTW, in response to your PM: All operating systems with available ATI SDK, except for mac (don't know, don't use it), will allow up to 8 GPU's. 5970's are dual GPU's so you are at 6 total now  |
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Sorry I'm being vague. Windows will automatically try to install CCC when you boot for the first time with ATI cards. DO NOT install CCC on a computer with (+)4 GPU's. There is a problem with it that hasn't been resolved since 4-way crossfire came about, not everyone has this problem. I didn't have the problem till I went past 6 GPU's.
As for too much processing power for the chipset. I assume you mean the mobo's on board chipset. I doubt that is the problem. Not positive, and correct me if I'm wrong please, but the onboard chipset has very little to do with the hashing done by the GPU except to run the stream of data which is insignificant bandwidth compared to rendering a game, or gui for windows.
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What proportional pool that pays for stale shares and unmatured blocks is there besides Deepbit? If you know one that has all this without fees I will gladly use it.
It's not PPS, but SMPPS I believe, ABCPool.co |
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Well, if you don't know, how can you tell ? TX fees are almost zero and nowhere near the amounts needed even for hosting. Because 0% fee pools are still around, keep growing and new ones are popping up. I would think they would have disappeared quite rapidly if they weren't profitable/sustainable. |
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Right now my only development system is a MacBook Pro Really?! What kind of development do you do, web? You move out of the dc or you have some at home too? Open air rigs are still portable, I move mine around fairly frequently. |
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A pool already makes its own BTC on every block found there, typically the fees that have been attached by transactions and donations. How much BTC can pool make on a TX fees per day ? Enough to run I suppose...I'm not a pool operator, IDK |
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