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561  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [2900 TH] Kano CKPool (kano.is) from the cgminer devs [0.9% PPLNS] on: July 23, 2015, 01:52:26 PM
Yet another reason why not to mine on Eligius.

They hide the truth.

My recent post about the facts about their payout system got deleted:

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Thank for the great pool, i feel like im getting double profit yesterday... maybe this incident makes lot of miner mining wrong fork and so for us it seem difficulty get halved  Huh
Your maximum payout on CPPSRB is PPS - no more.

yes, but i do feel that i get more from usual payment. maybe from transaction fee Huh
CPPSRB pays you a maximum of 100% PPS - no more - but usually less.

To put it in the simplest terms:
Don't believe wizkid057 or Luke-jr, one likes to hide the truth and the other lies regularly.

Their pool has bad luck caused by them and their software.

You must of course remember that the Luck statistic is NOT only random block finding luck but also includes the pool latency and related problems, which  Eligius has, that I have proven before with many repeated simple tests.

So now that we crossed the 500% percent mark, I think that means shares will be dropping off on the back end, so only the last 500% when a block is hit will be paid, correct?
562  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [2900 TH] Kano CKPool (kano.is) from the cgminer devs [0.9% PPLNS] on: July 22, 2015, 07:25:50 PM
Are you sure nothing is wrong? It started not solving right after the last update or whatever changes you've made.
I have not seen it this long in 4 months if I remember correctly.  Cheesy

Not a blame, but with the hash I've been sending over the past few days, it's starting to hurt....  Cheesy
Unfortunately, it's expected, on average to happen every so often on every pool.
1.83% of blocks are expected on average to be over 400%
That's an expected average, not an absolute value.

As I've mentioned on the previous page, so far, the longest block was 593.99%
Here's some info on all the ones above 400%
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=789369.msg11440377#msg11440377

So this is the 4th block on the pool to be above 400% since we started.

So here we are, just about 450% and 229B shares submitted. Interesting that Slush is over 24hours and 272B shares submitted. Looking at todays blocks, only a couple are from the non Chinese pools. Thats pretty interesting considering at 25% or more of the network is from outside China. Hmmmm
563  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [2900 TH] Kano CKPool (kano.is) from the cgminer devs [0.9% PPLNS] on: July 21, 2015, 03:59:31 AM
Chicken bones
Chicken Bones
Lucky lucky chicken bones!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5oZKSE_WTs

Just reading up on the analytics, hope we don't fall into the records books Cry

Having a blockhash much larger than difficulty can't earn you any extra bitcoins, so it's a pointless type of "luck". But it's fun and interesting to see that some block makers have found block hashes at a difficulty of almost three hundred thousand times larger than the mining difficulty at the time, and that this is independent of the network mining difficulty.

So, guys at solo.ckpool.com: As I write this, your pool has solved 62 blocks. That means the 95% confidence interval of the largest multiple of difficulty blockhash you could expect is between 1/(1 - q0) and 1/(1-q1), where q0 and q1 are the 2.5% and 97.5% beta quantile for beta( 62, 1), or between 17 and 2450 x difficulty.

http://organofcorti.blogspot.com/2015/05/the-tiniest-blockhashes.html
564  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [2900 TH] Kano CKPool (kano.is) from the cgminer devs [0.9% PPLNS] on: July 21, 2015, 03:10:28 AM
Have you found anything yet , kano?

In the 281 block history, how many over 300%? If I could see at least the last 100 block history on the blocks page, then I might not ask Wink Grin Grin
565  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [2900 TH] Kano CKPool (kano.is) from the cgminer devs [0.9% PPLNS] on: July 19, 2015, 09:48:08 PM
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Would it be possible display the last 100 blocks on the Blocks page? right now onl the last 42 are displayed. Maybe there is a reason 42 are displayed.

Thanks,
Because 6x7

And 10x10 is 100. Not sure I get the 6x7 reference
566  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [2900 TH] Kano CKPool (kano.is) from the cgminer devs [0.9% PPLNS] on: July 19, 2015, 02:28:54 PM
Yeah  that's fine. Although ck broke the pool with his update. We haven't had a block solve since. Cheesy
Can we start the hourly restarts? Lol

Lol, I'm all for it!

Thanks, bud.
Heh, the pool uptime has been 7 days ... the last 10 blocks all under 100%
But ... OK ... just restarted it anyway Smiley
One of the more ugly restarts in a while ... everyone will have failed over.
All up and running ok again.

Would it be possible display the last 100 blocks on the Blocks page? right now onl the last 42 are displayed. Maybe there is a reason 42 are displayed.

Thanks,
567  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [2900 TH] Kano CKPool (kano.is) from the cgminer devs [0.9% PPLNS] on: July 17, 2015, 01:35:25 AM
Well ... we did an hour and a half ago Smiley

Payouts 365491 and 365509 sent
f9811d479993f1cdfc2030ac9bdc9a4a79aa91c2b60aae1d2aea84bb82c40940
8e37ec2c2cbc6ac1877153c4dd7aede4341535f8271c3065e30e6e191e734ccf
and both confirmed


So whats the odds of keeping the luck at over 200% for the next 10 block with such a good luck streak over the last 10 block, or 25 and 50 for that matter.......
568  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [1800 TH] Kano CKPool (kano.is) from the cgminer devs [0.9% PPLNS] on: July 09, 2015, 03:35:27 AM
Yes if we get blocks fast enough then the higher hashrate helps, but overall the payout is higher with the lower pool hashrate. Really it all comes back to Luck.

Yes it comes back to LUCK.  But in the long haul the higher hash rate with more payouts, at a lower amount per payout, will win out over lower hash rate with fewer but larger payouts.  You can't count on good luck runs, even though they are very nice when they happen.
Higher hash rate + lower payouts vs lower hash rate + higher payouts

They will average out the same.

Statistics says so - you don't have to believe me Tongue

However, when the hash rate dropped last time, the pool luck increased at the same time.
Of course they are not cause and effect, it was luck, but it was good to see that happen.

Edit: and I will add Tongue Bitclub has the worst luck on the pool of anyone ...
Within expected values, and he has found 3 blocks, but none-the less it is true he has had very bad luck on the pool.
I wasn't expecting him to return, and I doubt he will return again.

Looks like Bitclub moved to Eligius. They gained about 2ph about the same time we lost it. That pool was at 10ph on June 30th and over 18 today. Why are so many going to a fixed PPS pool that is capped? And based on Kano's comments also is slow on moving to the current block. Just seams odd
569  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [1800 TH] Kano CKPool (kano.is) from the cgminer devs [0.9% PPLNS] on: June 27, 2015, 04:01:34 AM
I think a whale just went offline

Having issues connecting to pool, miners say its alive by work requests a failing and miners are switching to backup pools. I have them in 4 different networks and ISP's and all acting the same. Maybe a bigger DDOS or internal issue.
570  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [1800 TH] Kano CKPool (kano.is) from the cgminer devs [0.9% PPLNS] on: June 24, 2015, 04:02:27 PM
Thanks for the info, do you have it available for iOS?

Unfortunately I do not... Not until I can purchase my very own mac computer, because they do not allow development on anything but their operating system. This might be changing because they are open sourcing their Swyft language, but I haven't had a chance to look into that yet.

What country are you in? I may have a mac I can ship you, just wanted to check on shipping costs. Its a few years old but its a 2 proc, dual core, 32GB RAM and 2 200GB SSD and 2 X500GB SATA. Assuming you have a keyboard, mouse and monitor and would just need the tower.

Let me know

Thanks,
571  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [1800 TH] Kano CKPool (kano.is) from the cgminer devs [0.9% PPLNS] on: June 23, 2015, 03:42:27 AM
Kano, wanted to see how hard it would be to setup an email notification when a block is found, or shortly after that includes something like Ghash does. Would be nice to see so your not checking the stats page several times a day. Example below

Hello Miner

We have solved the block #354533 (25.2432 BTC) in 12 hours at 13783.91 Th/s and done 140637624683 total work.
Your shares: 86401760/25000048254 (0.35%)
Payout: 0.08724205 BTC


On that note, how about also getting an email when a worker has not submitted shares for say 5 or 10 minutes, that would be nice to get alerted from the pool. Not sure how much coding this would be but just wanted to put it out there. Maybe have a place to enter an alert email address which is different then your account email, so one can enter a SMS email address to get txt vs emails.

Thanks in advance!
Well there is a web site already that will send you block notification of the pool.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=789369.msg10261674#msg10261674

And one (or more?) people created apps to do that also.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=789369.msg11091187#msg11091187

I'm not sure if either of them have idle worker notifications, but the pool API includes when the last share was submitted for each worker in the API "work" reply.

Block notifications and idle notifications are on the todo list, but I've avoided doing them so far for a reason.
The main issue is that they represent bulk email.
In the last few years it's become ever so easy to have an email server blacklisted due to sending out email and then it can be up to days to clear it up and remove it from the blacklistings.
The worst example of that is yahoo that doesn't have a way of removing a blacklisting - my mail server was blacklisted there once due to someone who uses my mail servers getting a virus and sending out spam - once we tracked it down and stopped it, I of course had to then remove a bunch of blacklistings - but there was no option to do that with yahoo and I ended up telling everyone who uses the mail server that until further notice assume you can't send email to anyone on yahoo - which IMO was not really that big an issue since yahoo isn't very big any more - but still annoying.

Try the above (links) and send them a donation if they can do what you want - or ask them to add a "lastshare" notification Smiley
Everyone has a smartphone these days ... so the App would probably be your best solution if it can do both.
I'll PM them both a link to this message also.


Hi there!

I am the creator of the Android App: CK Pool Stats (Kano)

The app can currently notify you if a block has been found.
The app can also notify you if your hashing speeds has dropped below a certain amount.

I have been very busy with real life and there are more features coming! Just much much slower, especially since the app has been working as intended.
Let me know if you have any questions or feature requests, I'll try to push them out when I have more free time on my hands!

Thanks for the info, do you have it available for iOS?
572  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [1800 TH] Kano CKPool (kano.is) from the cgminer devs [0.9% PPLNS] on: June 22, 2015, 07:51:26 PM
Kano, wanted to see how hard it would be to setup an email notification when a block is found, or shortly after that includes something like Ghash does. Would be nice to see so your not checking the stats page several times a day. Example below

Hello Miner

We have solved the block #354533 (25.2432 BTC) in 12 hours at 13783.91 Th/s and done 140637624683 total work.
Your shares: 86401760/25000048254 (0.35%)
Payout: 0.08724205 BTC


On that note, how about also getting an email when a worker has not submitted shares for say 5 or 10 minutes, that would be nice to get alerted from the pool. Not sure how much coding this would be but just wanted to put it out there. Maybe have a place to enter an alert email address which is different then your account email, so one can enter a SMS email address to get txt vs emails.

Thanks in advance!
573  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [1800 TH] Kano CKPool (kano.is) from the cgminer devs [0.9% PPLNS] on: June 22, 2015, 03:48:37 PM
Sometimes you win and sometimes you loose. Guess it's like rolling the dice at that point. I understand that scenario very well, but not sure I get the impact of renting on a PPLNS share.

That's how it is with PPLNS too. If the pool is lucky you get a high payout, if the pool is unlucky at the time then you get a low payout.

Since you are probably paying more than the rented mining is expected to generate on average, you have a less than 50% chance to make a profit.

I think Ghash pays for the shifts you contribute shares for a particular block, so if you rent and contribute to all shifts in a protocolar block and that block is under better then 100% luck, and your paying below .0101 for the hash, then you make coin, again my simple interpretation of the way it would work.

What you describe is the proportional reward system (except that those don't use shifts). It is vulnerable to pool hopping, where pool hoppers can rip off the other miners in the pool. Very few pools use proportional anymore (mostly alt coin pools). Ghash uses PPLNS.

PPLNS means Pay Per Last N Shares. A specific amount of work gets paid each time. The point is to not be vulnerable to pool hopping by making it impossible to predict future payouts.

You still get high payouts when the pool is lucky of course. The same work can get paid multiple times with PPLNS.


Thanks, that helps a lot. I'll have to experiment a bit and see if its worth it, I suspect if you can get the hash for .0095 to .0098 and the poll is at least around 100% luck during that time then yes.
574  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [1800 TH] Kano CKPool (kano.is) from the cgminer devs [0.9% PPLNS] on: June 22, 2015, 01:46:08 AM
Just curious, does it make sense to rent hash on a PPLNS pool? I know you get paid for every share as long as its under 500%, but your getting paid based on 100% luck which is currently .0101, I think. That said you would have to rent the hash at lower then that and probably by a few points like .0098 or lower for this to be profitable. Does that make sense?

I've rented hash many times and pointed to Slush because of their reward system and if I think a block will break at 87-90% CDF, again just a guess then rent about a hour before that time and you would be paid at your scored hash rate when it hits. Sometimes you win and sometimes you loose. Guess it's like rolling the dice at that point. I understand that scenario very well, but not sure I get the impact of renting on a PPLNS share.

I think Ghash pays for the shifts you contribute shares for a particular block, so if you rent and contribute to all shifts in a protocolar block and that block is under better then 100% luck, and your paying below .0101 for the hash, then you make coin, again my simple interpretation of the way it would work.

Feel free to comments if you have done this and how it would work on a PPLNS system.

Thanks,
575  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [1800 TH] Kano CKPool (kano.is) from the cgminer devs [0.9% PPLNS] on: June 19, 2015, 01:56:21 AM
I just started mining your pool on the 10th, so far I like the way its run and looks like you have a lot of loyal miners. I do hope this pool can get to around 4Ph with BTC closing. I started mining about 3 months ago since I had access to data center space and cheap power, i'm around 38Th and hope to grow to about 50 in the next couple months. Learned a lot along the way and much more to learn, I've tried them all and so far I think Slush and westhash have provided the best return. I must say slush has the best GUI, monitoring tools and analytics available to miners. But I can see you put in a lot in to the backend, reliability and mining functionality which is what matters in the end. Since the 500% payout is about 12-13 days, I've yet to see a payout at my full hash and want to see what a full month or 2 look like in return. So generally just saying Hi to all the loyal miners that have been here from the start and hope to stay a long time myself. Today I rented 2Ph for about 30 min to see if we can break this block and move on, no dice. Maybe I'll put another 2Ph in for an hour later and see if that helps.

If you have time, maybe you can comment on the below questions, just want to get your thoughts.

1. network almost 400Ph, looks like another 4-5% increase coming, you think the growth is all china farms or new tech in chips and appliances coming online that smoke existing hardware? I'm running mostly S4, S5 and 2 SP31's.
2.  do you think transaction fees will make up the 12.5 BTC loss in reward next summer? Again assuming diff keeps at current pace, cost of power stay constant then I think many small miners will be out due to costs and rewards only 12.5
3. What do you think of Trezor? I can't really find anything more secure or hack proof for storing keys, any thoughts?

Finally, just wanted to share an email I got form Marek "slush" Palatinus a few days ago, anyone else get one? Slush lost half the hash in the last few weeks and can't find anyone to explain this, I guess he's trying to find out also.

Hello,

I've found that you've been mining on my pool, but you disconnected
miners from the pool recently. Can I kindly ask you for any details
about your decision? As far as I know there were not any technical or
connection issues and everything is working smoothly, so any feedback
will be highly appreciated. Also please let me know if you're missing
any important feature on the service. I highly appreciate any feedback
from such experienced and well established client like you.

Best regards,
Marek "slush" Palatinus
Owner of Slush Pool
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