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5621  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling is more important for crypto users? on: July 13, 2023, 06:24:26 AM
Gambling is for fun and doesnt matter whether you are engaging with fiat or crypto then it would be understandable that you are really that not minding about any investment or totally completely
different to each other if we do speak about those approach and giving out that kind of importance because its clear as day on where people would really be focusing on on which it would be
on investment rather than on gambling. Asking on why there are lots who are  really that fond of on doing gambling? Leisure and fastest way on hitting up huge amounts if you are lucky enough.
On the time that you would really be engaging with gambling then you would really be that thinking on having those fast profits but honestly this is actually depending on someones treatment
on it because there are still those people who do gamble for fun and doesnt really go into excessive extent.
But if we pay attention to what is happening in the crypto market, we see that people are also using crypto as a way to invest because they can profit by buying crypto and holding it for a while. And that profit can be greater than the profit from playing gambling. But indeed, they will not be able to get profits as fast as they get at gambling because they have to wait until the time comes to sell at high prices.

But even though you can get fast profits in gambling, you can also get losses fast. It will all depend on your luck because no one knows when your luck will come. But using crypto to gamble is more exciting than fiat because we can gamble anonymously.
5622  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are successful gamblers seen as addicts? on: July 13, 2023, 06:05:24 AM
The point in this case is that there is a difference in professionalism.
When talking about it, there are other things that make the difference such as discipline, rigour and others.
Even though we have said that we are disciplined or meticulous in gambling, it will still not be the same so talking about us as ordinary gamblers and professional gamblers, even though they are both gamblers, in terms of methods, strategies and anything related to us gambling will obviously be very different when compared.
Yes, the difference is professionalism that not all gamblers have; only a small number can gamble professionally. This is why if we want to become professional gamblers, we have to learn many things to become a professional gambler. And to be clear, most gamblers will be different from professional gamblers, so we as gamblers must really try not to get into trouble while playing gambling. But a professional gambler can control his gambling and always try not to get emotionally involved so he can stop before things change.
5623  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Who is to be blamed, the gambler or the betting agent on: July 12, 2023, 12:09:11 PM
We are responsible for our own actions and the potential consequences. You are right, there are individuals who take advantage of people for financial gain, this is the reality in many areas of life, including gambling, but in the end, no one forces people to gamble with money they don't have! So the biggest blame is on the gambler himself, he got himself into trouble. Did he not know better, was he not aware of what he is doing? Whatever it was, the problem was caused by him.

It's why education is very important. We can't stop talking about "don't gamble with money you can't afford to lose", and "don't borrow money for gambling"... the consequences can be catastrophic!
Though I agree with what you say that a person is responsible for what he does, you are totally not getting the point here. The person among gambler and the betting agent who was in trouble in this case was the betting agent because the gambler went to his shop for gambling, and lost everything he had, the betting agent then offered him to gamble with credit and pay back later, and the gambler accepted the offer and lost the credits too but then disappeared.

After some days, the betting agent found the gambler working somewhere and started arguing about the money that he has to pay back for gambling with credits, the gambler said he doesn't have money to pay back, so things sorted out when the person the gambler was working for said he will pay you back with whatever he earns from the work.

In all this, I only find the betting agent to be the one whose mistake this all was, he shouldn't have offered the gambler credits when he saw he lost everything he had already.
The betting agent may offer the gambler credit, but the betting agent must be able to find out what the gambler has so that if the gambler loses the bet, the gambler can return the money he borrowed. In traditional casinos, betting agents sometimes ask for guarantees and I have even heard of gamblers who guarantee things in their house to get money to gamble. The betting agent will be happy to hear this because the goods offered by gamblers are often in the form of goods that other people rarely own so the betting agent immediately gives the money. This may be the fault of the betting agent so he can't get the money anymore and can only wait for the gambler to have the money to be able to pay it again.
5624  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are successful gamblers seen as addicts? on: July 12, 2023, 11:43:43 AM
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Professional gamblers have a very different mindset from the average gambler because they can play gambling while still managing themselves so they are not as tempted as we are. And they can determine when to gamble and when to gamble. Indeed, they can experience gambling addiction like us, but with their abilities, they can still control themselves well. Professional gamblers already know the steps they must take before playing gambling so they won't experience a severe gambling addiction like us.
Professional gamblers already have a lot of experience in the gambling industry from bitter to sweet experiences so they can easily manage their own actions.
Precisely professional gamblers are gamblers who have been addicts and can slowly control themselves to quit addiction but can still gamble within the limits and abilities they have.
If we follow the way professional gamblers work, it will not work because we are still tempted to win and like to act arbitrarily which can cause emotions when playing gambling.
That is why the difference is very clear between professional gamblers and most gamblers where professional gamblers can control themselves and manage their gambling time. And even though professional gamblers have become addicted gamblers, they can still control themselves because they have more abilities than most gamblers. It is very difficult to become a professional gambler because we have to practice many things before becoming like them. Of course, mental training is also needed to manage our gambling later.
5625  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling is not a steady income haven on: July 12, 2023, 11:21:12 AM
Even though I have been consistently winning in various casino games, I have never thought  of it as a steady income or full time job. In the past I spend a lot of time playing at the casino maybe it was because I was less busy, nowadays I only engage in them occasionally due to time constraint. Even though I do win money from these games, I don't consider it a reliable source of income. I treat my winnings as if I were spending it on a nice dinner, not expecting any of it back if I happen to lose. Despite being aware of the house edge in casino games, I genuinely enjoy playing at the casino. I understand that gambling can be entertaining, but I believe that most people should acknowledge that it won't drastically change their lives.
It's rare to meet people who consistently win at various casino games and you are the one who is really lucky to win it. It's good if you don't think of gambling as a source of income even though you often win at gambling because not many people can afford to think that way. Those who can win often will start to think that they can use gambling as a source of income and will try again the next day. But you can think of gambling as entertainment; when you win, you can use that win to enjoy the winning money. And the important thing is that you can enjoy gambling.
5626  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling is more important for crypto users? on: July 12, 2023, 10:53:00 AM
Where did you get this idea from? Gambling is as old as humanity, it is not a cryptocurrency thing.

Well, but here it should be pointed out that gambling has been very important in the short history of bitcoin and cryptocurrencies.

There is no doubt about this. While other sectors of the economy were skeptical about bitcoin and cryptocurrency, gambling embraced it totally and if a careful survey is taken, you will understand that the most use cade of bitcoin and other cryptocurrency is in the gambling section.

I do not understand why the union happened so fast and the bond is strong. Could it be because both are risky and sometimes criminal tend to use both means to maneuver their illicit ways.

And maybe that's why the crypto gambling business can be more advanced than other businesses. But I don't think gambling is important for crypto users because many want to benefit from crypto investment and trading. Even though some people only use crypto for gambling, I think there will be more people who use crypto for profit. This requires further research to find out the exact number of crypto users who use crypto to gamble, invest, or trade.
5627  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How was your first experience with gambling? on: July 12, 2023, 10:20:52 AM
The first time gambling experience may be fun and full of curiosity because I don't know much about gambling even though I don't get a win. But that didn't deter me and instead went back to the casino a few days later thinking maybe I can get lucky later. But after playing several times, I lost again but the amount of money I used was not as big as yesterday. My early years of gambling were very unpleasant as it cost me money at the gambling tables.

But fortunately I was able to overcome my gambling so I didn't develop a serious gambling addiction. Even so, it was enough to make me lose the crypto coins I used. But that's okay because at that time, I used Dogecoin more than Bitcoin. Yes, getting Dogecoin via faucet is very fun because in a day, I can get a lot of Dogecoin.
5628  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Wagering requirements for withdraw on: July 12, 2023, 10:00:48 AM
I think the majority of the gamblers out there when they think about the very first thing they want to do when they finalize the process of creating an account at a new casino, do not consider reading a legal document regarding their responsibilities toward the casino as being at the top of their list.

Still it is important to do so, because as you mention there are casinos out there which are looking to aggressively use their TOS against their clients as a way to rob them.
Yes, it is their fault that they did not read the documents or regulations in the casino. That could cause problems for them, especially if they were to win a big win. They will find it difficult to comply with the regulations and require further verification. And those who don't agree think the casino is cheating them by adding those rules to their TOS even though those rules were there long ago before they registered. But if it is a shady casino, there is a TOS or no TOS, the casino will cheat its users so we shouldn't be surprised when we hear that there are people who cannot verify at a shady casino.
5629  Economy / Gambling / Re: This guy gave a whole prototype of "how live roulette scam us" on: July 12, 2023, 09:19:05 AM
I see the discussion has somewhat swerved from OP's original post. My only comment on that is, proof or you're talking shit, and casino's don't need to cheat as house edge is already in their favour, and gambler fallacy plus other common behaviours actually aid the house edge, the only thing they're exposed to is variance, so they already have systems in place to prevent overexposure.

It's bad business to cheat, and other casinos would love to expose you, so if the guy's comment has any value, my question is why he hasn't made a lot of money exposing it.

That said, the best bet is to know who audits the casino's RNG. And then choose to trust that audit's methods.
You got a point. Reputable and big casinos don't have to cheat on roulette knowing that they will win at the end of day. Even on real roulette, I don't think that casino's will cheat because they can be exposed easily and it can make their casino go bankrupt rapidly if they caught red handed. Though not sll casino is fair to their players especially those who are on the verge of bankrupcy and the one who are just starting. To be safe, it would be better for us to just stick on reputable casinos whether it's physical or online casino.
The casino doesn't need to deceive us because as we know that the casino will win in the end even though some gamblers can win. But more gamblers will lose and the money will go to the casinos, which means the casinos will win.

But casinos can cheat like that because we don't know if it's right or wrong. We can only see the video but it's hard for us to check directly because the casino will ask, do we want to play or do we want to check the system?
5630  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are there real sports bet groups on: July 12, 2023, 08:51:29 AM
It is surely an act of faith and probability, betting is purely base on two chances(lose or win) which the bettor has no control of even the so called bet group or betting signals is actually run by humans like you and I and they are not some kind of witch doctors which can foretell the future or future outcome of their so called sure prediction given to you. I really disbelief all these sporting signals because I see them as a waste of time and energy.
Those who join groups and share their signals with their members analyze one match from various information so that they will find a team that has a better chance than the opposing team. But that doesn't guarantee they will be able to find a strong team because the opportunities to be wrong are there, too so we have to analyze from the information we have. But if he wanted to join that signal group to get information about each team, that would be fine since he could use it to his own advantage. The signals cannot always be precise, so be careful with the signals you get from others.
5631  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How is your Gambling Pattern Like? on: July 12, 2023, 08:19:27 AM
It's most likely the case 90% of the time for gamblers, when we say that we are going to quit then suddenly we go and play for more and then continue our losing streak. So it's very important that we should get ourselves and control our gambling otherwise we are going to fell on the gambling addiction category and that is going to be worst for us.

So maybe we can have schedule to play and when we lose then we live another day and not continue with our gambling.

That is the strategy for me right, specially when I go to traditional base casino, just bring enough money and that's it.
It's better to make a gambling schedule and always be within limits so that we don't get addicted to gambling and can avoid big losses. I agree to have a gambling schedule so we don't get off track and can manage our gambling. And as long as we don't lose self-control in gambling, we will be fine and be able to enjoy gambling. That is the goal we must pay attention to in gambling to anticipate gambling addiction which can be bad for us.
5632  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can i make 100 $ daily from online casinos on: July 12, 2023, 07:48:17 AM
With a large capital, there is a chance that he can make it big in one go which can equate to $100 every day. It is still risky to go all in if he plays a skill game as you would still need some luck in your favour. If I was in his place I would have used my money to generate small income through sports betting every day. If I would have won I would have again reinvested most of my bank roll in a systematic manner. After 15 days I would calculate whether I am making any profits or not and then decide. It is not possible to generate profit every day but it is possible to generate profit after betting regularly in 15 or 30 days.
Even though it is possible to win a gambling game using large capital, it will not always happen because we know that gambling is all about winning and losing. We will only have more chances to lose more and it will be bigger if we use large capital. I never use big money to gamble because it means I have to take bigger risks of losing and I don't want that to happen. I'd rather use my little money to gamble and avoid risking losing a lot of money because that's what I can afford. So if anyone wants to make money regularly from gambling, he better rethink his plan because it won't be easy for him.

To win with big capital at least a few times is possible and maybe even more than $100 but expecting every day even with big capital is something ridiculous in my opinion.
Do not as if with a large capital, the victory and the target of $100 profit will come every day because the concept of gambling is not like that. We must realise that our luck is limited especially in gambling where even today maybe you will profit but tomorrow we don't know how much to lose. So in this case expecting something like this is the same as expecting a miracle and I think miracles like this will be very rare to happen.
That's why it's better not to chase a profit target of $ 100 every day than we regret because it will be difficult for us to get it. Maybe we can win some money from gambling, which is enough for us, instead of chasing the target of reaching $ 100 daily. And if he's expecting a miracle, it won't come every day either. Gambling games require luck that won't come every day, so we must know the limits of gambling and not exceed those limits. It's better to avoid a big loss than to experience it because you want to chase the target of winning.
5633  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gamblers understood the game on: July 12, 2023, 07:20:18 AM
Losing is inevitable and this is something that a certain person should really be wary and its impossible that you wont really be that to think about those probabilities. The only mistake on here is that people or gambler
do really just simply neglect out this kind of chances or probabilities and really that pursuing on playing or gambling basing up on whats up into their mind.Just like the rest been saying that having a knowledge
or awareness on a certain sport would definitely be a good thing since it would bring out advantage for you.If we do speak about luck based games then you wouldn't really be needing these things at all.
Gambling is for fun and leisure and on the time that you do make out deposits then consider out those funds to be totally lost on gambling so that you wont really be that expecting much.
It's better not to try to chase victory if it is a luck-based gambling game because it will be very difficult. And if the gambling game is based on chance, we must be careful because this can make us play even longer. After all, we want to get that win so we forget about the limits we have made. Gambling is just for fun so we should be able to enjoy it and not try to chase that win. Otherwise, we will experience a losing streak that can cause us to lose money. We must understand the gambling game, don't expect too much to win gambling and let luck come to us.
5634  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Success or Fail? - Talking about Gambling as a major income on: July 12, 2023, 06:57:38 AM
Is a fault that is worth recognizing if relying on gambling as a scourge of finding income, except maybe he is the owner of gambling that it can be said he gets income from the gambling platform, yes people always learn from their mistakes and make them better, and should be true As you said that he must realize that gambling is not your place to make a living, because basically gambling relies on luck, and what is obtained from the guidance is not regular or can be said 1 out of 20 to get victory.
I understand that gambling can give income but it is very rare, not suitable for humans who have the needs every day to survive, so it is important not to make gambling as a source of livelihood, it is better to find other jobs that provide active income.
Casino owners can get income from their business. Even casino owners will get the biggest income from gamblers. Meanwhile, gamblers who want to earn income from gambling will not find it easy to get because they have two choices: winning and losing. And the possibility of losing will be greater than winning. So it's better if people who want to make a living through gambling should be able to think about not doing it because the loss factor will be bigger than the win.
5635  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Lotteries and possibility vs. probability on: July 12, 2023, 06:17:36 AM
It's just buying 1 ticket but sometimes like I said, even when we've been in a little longer period of time basically 1 ticket is not really enough because we might even want more.
I would probably prioritise slots in this case more than lotteries even though slots also have a lot of conditions that seem the same but at least there are things that can be seen with pretty good visuals rather than having to deal with lotteries.
But indeed everyone's pleasure is different and the possibilities that we think are worthy do not necessarily think other people are worthy too.
Buying 1 lottery ticket will not give you more chances to be the winner unless you are really lucky, which rarely happens to people. And maybe people who don't really expect to be a winner in the lottery will choose other gambling games, such as slot games. Slot games are also luck-based gambling games; if we want to win, we must have good luck. But not many people can win slot games and earn much money.
5636  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are successful gamblers seen as addicts? on: July 12, 2023, 05:55:56 AM
Most successful gamblers though are addicted as they keep playing,you cannot become a successful gambler if you don't play consistently and people who play consistently are called addicts to such game.Of course the level of addiction differs as the successful gamblers know where they should stop and call it a day while heavily addicted gamblers keep playing even if they win a huge amount as they have no targets,they just need to gamble,for them this is like a drug and their body needs it,this is the difference and this is also why successful gamblers are inevitably addicted but not to high levels.
But even if successful gamblers are addicted, they can still control themselves in gambling and the important thing is knowing when to stop gambling. Most gamblers don't have this because the offers offered by casinos always tempt them. Meanwhile, their finances also don't support them always to play gambling so gradually, they can use anything to have money to play gambling. And the level of gambling addiction indeed differs between the successful gambler and the average gambler because of the great capacity for self-control the successful gambler possesses. This is why successful gamblers can still enjoy gambling and win their gambling games and enjoy their winning money. At the same time, most gamblers cannot enjoy it.

Professional gamblers seem to have a mindset that is quite different from most of us who just gamble with anything being done because the focus is different.
Even though we want to pursue victory, in terms of the patterns or strategies carried out and the planning that begins are clearly different because what we are looking for from the beginning is fun so we don't learn anything else because the focus is there.
But when talking about professional gamblers from the name alone there is already "professional" then this will indeed be a little different from those of us who play gambling dirty.
But when talking about addiction as the initial context, I actually think this goes back to each of our opinions because sometimes our opinions will also be very different including the word "addiction".
Professional gamblers have a very different mindset from the average gambler because they can play gambling while still managing themselves so they are not as tempted as we are. And they can determine when to gamble and when to gamble. Indeed, they can experience gambling addiction like us, but with their abilities, they can still control themselves well. Professional gamblers already know the steps they must take before playing gambling so they won't experience a severe gambling addiction like us.
5637  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Quit gamble! Easy or Hard? Let's talk. on: July 12, 2023, 05:25:44 AM
For now we no longer need to be citizens of Vegas to always gamble. The easy access to online gambling will also have the same effect as those who live in Vegas. There is no need to give an example anymore, because from the growing online gambling activity, there are certainly many gamblers who live like in Vegas who always go to the casino all the time. The difference, is real and online media. just that. The effects of addiction will remain the same as those who fail to control themselves as people who live side by side with casinos in Vegas.
The convenience of online gambling now has given us greater opportunities to access it and we don't need to go anywhere because we can play gambling at home or wherever we want. But that can provide a greater opportunity for someone to become addicted to gambling because the freedom to access online casinos can make them forget themselves and find it difficult to stop. This is a new problem for people with poor self-control because they will try to continue gambling even though they have been gambling for a long time.
5638  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Quit gamble! Easy or Hard? Let's talk. on: July 11, 2023, 10:17:02 AM
Of course, you are right to some extent fM: in many cases, it depends more on someone's attitude than other factors. When that happens, gambling is not the only problem of these people, as it has more to do with the person's personality than external factors alone. But I believe that, let's say, good people, is at risk too if the environment aggressively force them to play; just imagine the sensorial stimulus in Las Vegas: it has to be difficult to live there while maintaining one's sanity.
Those who live near Las Vegas must have good self-control because otherwise, they would go to the casinos and gamble more often than other people who live some distance or even far from Las Vegas. If they have good self-control, even though the aggressive environment forces them to play, they will not be tempted and will let offer after offer come to them. Moreover, this is a gamble where not everyone can get lucky when playing gambling. A person's attitude will determine whether he can decide to stop immediately or even continue playing gambling; it is indeed not easy to stop gambling. But we must be able to do it or we can experience gambling addiction.
5639  Economy / Gambling / Re: Using ToS against users normal? on: July 11, 2023, 09:50:18 AM
That's why it's I advisable for one to read carefully the terms and conditions of a site or app before agreeing to sign up, many users out of claiming rewards and first time bonuses do not take their time to read the Tos but rather rushing into registration and end up complaining when they find themselves in such situations, it's your duty as a user to know what you're venturing into, if not you'll be held accountable for your ignorance and not the app, this is not only applicable to gambling sites but every other apps as well.

However their are many information stated in the TOS of most gambling site, like concerning the free bonuses and rewards, some sites hand over rewards on sign up to attract users to patronise them and most times those rewards are not withdrawable but used as a means to keep users active in their sites, because in as much as users are looking to win and make profits the casino also indirectly want you to lose and bet more, enriching their companies.most times they give these rewards to attract new users from their competitors, that's why I stated earlier that you should read carefully and not between lines upon registration.but if a site doesn't include in their Tos a particular statement and do otherwise then such sites should be considered a site or app and reported to the appropriate authorities.
That's because they are tempted to see the offer and immediately want to sign up for it without even looking at the wagering requirements set by the casino. And once they play, they don't have any problems until they finally win some money. And the problem arises when they want to withdraw the winnings and the casino doesn't allow it because they haven't met the wagering requirements in the promotion rules. The gambler argued that they didn't know some regulations had to be met before joining and getting the promotion, but the casino still told them to fulfill them first, then they could withdraw their winning money if it was still there.

This is where the gamblers accuse the casino of cheating by adding the rules in a place they don't know about, even though it was the gambler's fault who was not careful. This has often happened to many gamblers, so we have to be careful if we want to participate in a promotion and always make sure we know the requirements so we don't violate them or have fulfilled them before withdrawing the winning money. Reading the rules is often underestimated by many gamblers because they think that the rules are still the same for every promotion, even though this is not the case because each promotion has a different purpose so every gambler must be careful and read the rules first.
5640  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Betting strategy question on: July 11, 2023, 09:22:47 AM
As I always do in sports betting with strict control or self-control when I bet with a capital of $ 50 and get a profit of $ 20 and then bet again using my profit of $ 20 without involving my initial capital.
So that when it's unlucky for the club I chose to lose I won't feel like I'm losing because I still have an initial capital of $50 and I will do that continuously with full control.[/left]
Your betting approach is reliable, but losses are constantly waiting to derail our plans, which we will make certain never happens. In the preceding example, $50 gains can result in $20 profits, which will be reinvested into gambling in order to obtain additional profits. The key to excellence is always self-control and ambitious goals. We must be patient in our desires, taking things one step at a time. As we are confident in our forecasts, let us hope that the club does not disappoint us with defeats. When it comes to losing, even the best clubs will lose on that given day, so constantly prepare your mind to confront anything.
The important thing is not to be greedy when we have managed to bet enough and it's better to stop immediately before the defeat comes on the next bet. It also includes good self-control so that after winning several times, we immediately stop and don't risk another defeat. And even though we know we can pick a team in another game, we're not trying to chase bigger wins because we've already had wins. There is still tomorrow to bet on; who knows, our chances of winning will be even greater than today.
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