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5681  Economy / Gambling / Re: Grow yourself some Bitcoin - Bitcoin Tree on: March 31, 2013, 12:06:53 AM
This site shrinks (yes, shrinks) on an iPad. WTF are you doing?
5682  Economy / Lending / Re: Looking for 2BTC to Loan (payback 25% or 100%) on: March 31, 2013, 12:05:02 AM
Sorry OP. there are alot of dicks on this forum who instantly think your a scammer.

You will need to add more info + try BTC JAM, you can sign up and verify all of your information, then if your lucky some people may help you.

Im talking to you as if your not going to scam anyone. Dont let my words of wisdom be wrong.
Or try CoinLenders. Personal support, and quick loan funding if you're approved.

And don't pay 100% APR. Smiley
5683  Economy / Lending / Re: Bitcoin-Financial.com on: March 31, 2013, 12:03:12 AM
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Now your using flash *facepalm*
It is provocation, why would you stick you hand in someones face, and expect them not to get defensive? Have you thought about that? Its not always  what you did, but how you did it.

Maybe something like this would have got a different response, Hey the site looks alright but flash is dead.........
But you provoke people to be an asshole to you, then you try to spin it about how what they said speaks volumes about them lol. Should start by looking at what you said first..
Thank you for the laugh. LOL
5684  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Ian Bakewell on: March 30, 2013, 11:57:51 PM
He openly stated his intent was to get the loan as a means of being short on BTC.

I saw that train wreck coming 100 miles away.
Did he? I only saw him put that in the sig AFTER he got the loan.
5685  Economy / Gambling / Re: Bitcoin Templars Treasure - chain game on: March 30, 2013, 11:36:36 AM
Another one of these games again. Yawn.
5686  Economy / Gambling / Re: Grow yourself some Bitcoin - Bitcoin Tree on: March 30, 2013, 11:35:06 AM
Protip: Irrigate it twice in the early stages like what I've done.
5687  Economy / Securities / Re: Largest Bitcoin loss to date. on: March 30, 2013, 11:22:10 AM
Ok.  Well done for being shitty at your job I guess.
MPOE bondholders made a loss while people who bought calls for BTCUSD profited.

Still ridiculous to brag about losing 27.8k btc.
5688  Economy / Lending / Re: [BTCjam] Peg some payments to mtgoxusd. [ 5.32 BTC ] on: March 30, 2013, 11:19:39 AM
That's why we need ..

https://btcjam.uservoice.com/forums/175861-general/suggestions/3796718-provide-a-way-to-convert-to-mtgoxusd-mode-after-lo


I keep lowering the amount .. what interest rate do you suggest for the 5.32 BTC ??
That is not what we need, lenders agreed on a repayment amount, and that is in BTC.

Try buying some mpoe calls on CoinBr.
5689  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: A guide to how Provably Fair works. on: March 30, 2013, 05:48:46 AM
Not the best way to do provably fairness. When the block reward halves to 12.5 BTC, you better make sure there are no bets > 12.5 BTC otherwise mining pools can cheat by discarding blocks.
This is only one method which can be used in multiplayer games (raffles and lotteries).
To prevent cheating from miners you should generate secret string and use combination of hash(secret + block_hash) to determine the winner.
Add everyone's secret together?
Service generates secret, publishes it's hash. When all bets were made, service waits for next Bitcoin block and uses hash(secret_PLAINTEXT + block_hash) to determine the winner. Then makes available secret's plaintext to all players.
That'd work too - site can still cheat if the bets are large enough and they mined the block themselves (or have a shady deal with a mining pool), but that attack is pretty implausible / unlikely (miners might observe the shares and see one that should have being a block but isn't)
5690  Economy / Lending / Re: Looking for 15 BTC loan. 5% 2 weeks on: March 30, 2013, 05:41:08 AM
If you have good rep / dox apply at CoinLenders.
5691  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: A guide to how Provably Fair works. on: March 30, 2013, 05:27:52 AM
Not the best way to do provably fairness. When the block reward halves to 12.5 BTC, you better make sure there are no bets > 12.5 BTC otherwise mining pools can cheat by discarding blocks.
This is only one method which can be used in multiplayer games (raffles and lotteries).
To prevent cheating from miners you should generate secret string and use combination of hash(secret + block_hash) to determine the winner.
Add everyone's secret together?
5692  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: A guide to how Provably Fair works. on: March 30, 2013, 05:15:26 AM
Another approach is to use hash of the next Bitcoin block, coming right after all bets were made.
Not the best way to do provably fairness. When the block reward halves to 12.5 BTC, you better make sure there are no bets > 12.5 BTC otherwise mining pools can cheat by discarding blocks.
5693  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Ian Bakewell on: March 30, 2013, 04:54:27 AM
Regarding his btcjam loan, this was on the 16th: "yeah i fucked up on the btcjam thing, didnt realize the payments would start immediately, so some see me as in defaultfolder ... so usually I am working maintenenca on the rigs or out in the oilsands, working out on a friends farm right now modifying some trailers"

I have lent him around 120 BTC worth in assets.

Looks like some shenanigans are going around with his BAKEWELL asset - selling shares reserved for growth and maintenance.
5694  Economy / Gambling discussion / A guide to how Provably Fair works. on: March 30, 2013, 04:49:14 AM
You're playing a simple dice game, where the site generates a lucky number for each bet. The problem is, how do you know the site is generating random numbers fairly? How do you know they're not cheating or rigging the game? They could be secretly making you lose more often.

The solution: Provably Fair games.

Hashing

A hash is a message digest. It summarizes a message one way - you can't find out what the original message was from a hash, unless you brute force everything. Take "hello", the sha256 (an hashing algorithm) hash of that is "2cf24dba5fb0a30e[..]". Add a space to the end, "hello " and you get "5e3235a8346e5a4585f8c5[..]". So you can see changing a tiny part makes it completely different - random mapping.

The important part is hashes are one way, and are unpredictable. If I give you a hash of a very long string of numbers (say, 30 digits), you can't tell me what the original numbers are from the hash. (You actually theoretically can, by trying out all the numbers from 0000..00 to 9999..99, but it's implausible with a large search space).

Hashes are also tamper resistant. I can't find another number that gives the same hash. So you know I can't change my responses. (You actually can, it's called hash collisions, but the chances of that happening are 8.64e-78 which means it won't happen in real life for all intents and purposes.)

Provably Fairness

Let's say I run a blackjack game. [Ad: play blackjack on bitzino] I could provide a hash of the deck. But that only tells the player I haven't changed the deck after showing the hash, I could swapped cards in the deck beforehand. To solve this, the player needs to be able to influence the results of the deck. Here's where provably fairness comes in.

Outcome = hash(dealerSecret + playerSecret)

Outcome can be determined in any way, as long as it's public. Maybe first four pairs of numbers in the outcome are winning lotto numbers. Maybe first bit == 0 means heads, first bit == 1 means tails. Doesn't matter, because SHA256 is effectively a random mapping function.

The site hashes their randomly generated secret (they can generate it any way they wish, but if it is not random then the player will be able to beat the house and the site goes bankrupt) and shows it to the player. This way, the player knows the site isn't changing their secret after the player sends their secret to the site.

The dealer secret sometimes is hashed and presented before each play (eg bitZino, BitVegas), or it is generated well in advance - one secret for each day. The hashes of each day's secrets are published, and the actual secret is revealed after the day is over (so players can't cheat). This is used on sites like satoshiDICE.

For the player's secret, it could be generated in the browser via javascript, with an option for the player to specify it for themselves, or for blockchain games it uses the transaction ID. The transaction ID is just a hash of the transaction sent. The player needs to be able to change their secret (which you can do with transactions, by not sending a TX with a secret you don't like for some odd reason).

No player secrets

Some types of games don't need player secrets. They just need to hash their outcome and show you that before you play. Take coin flipping - IF you can bet on heads or tails. Sure, the site might have heads come up 55% of the time, but players will be able to perform statistical analysis and start betting on heads all the time and the house goes bankrupt. (Nitpick: Site can actually rig it, by giving heads more often if you bet more often on tails for example and vice versa, but that can be exploited with different bet amounts by the player -> site goes bankrupt)

Another example is minesweeper/minefield. Mines are predetermined. You choose which squares to dig. In either of those examples, you don't need to influence the result with a secret - you already are influencing the result by deciding which square to click or heads/tails to bet upon. So those sites are provably fair without requiring secrets exchange.
5695  Economy / Gambling / Re: How to create a gambling service? on: March 30, 2013, 03:55:06 AM
I am still looking for offers.

This website is a perfect example:
http://www.diceeno.com

Unfortunately, it is not provably fair, but it is simple and looks great. I think this is a great template for a basic service.

I would be very interested in learning the basic infrastructure to set up a site like this. If someone can make this, maybe we can work something out.
If you want to hire me to make the backbone, PM me.
5696  Economy / Gambling / Re: New BTC Found on: March 30, 2013, 03:53:57 AM
Danknug rather than assume anything first try and go to the website and read it.
Enough with assuming ya.What kinda name is Danknug by the way?
Like I said before and I will say again this website is already getting more and more popular because there are people out there that see the value in it.
We don't need salesmen here,people actually read the website and get it and then join.
You say unwise investment in something,yet you are here with us in a bitcoin forum as well,so your logic is blown out the water.
Oh wow, another internet marketer invading bitcointalk.
5697  Economy / Lending / Re: [BTCjam] Peg some payments to mtgoxusd. [ 5.32 BTC ] on: March 30, 2013, 03:51:42 AM
Are you seriously going to try this forever?

Nobody sane is going to loan it at this interest rate, Bitfinex's current USD interest rate is 168.3%/year.
5698  Economy / Gambling / Re: Diceeno.com on: March 30, 2013, 03:36:56 AM
By the way, learn about double spending, before someone runs off with your entire wallet. I bet you haven't modified bitcoin.conf to prevent trivial double spending attacks. There's a reason why the biggest bitcoin gambling game now pretty much requires 1 confirms, and it is for a good reason - because you'd be losing money otherwise when you get large enough.

Thank you for your concern.

This is why we only pay out if we have three confirmations. But you can play with zero.
Seriously? No, you cannot show results for 0 confirm bets because I can doublespend if I lose, and not doublespend if I win.

Now read more about Bitcoin.

Do many people do this?
Not much people is going to bother attack an unknown site, but expect a wallet full of double spent inputs if it gets popular (and it won't).
5699  Economy / Gambling / Re: Grow yourself some Bitcoin - Bitcoin Tree on: March 30, 2013, 02:16:39 AM
So now the gem game has evolved into a full on ponzi scheme LOL
This site actually has a bit more work put into it than some random gem clone.
5700  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: March 30, 2013, 01:12:14 AM
AFAIK one board is about 330 MHash/s. That's the smallest it can get. I'd buy ten of them Cheesy

Oh, you got me... you spoke of boards so i thought in GH. But 0.33GH is small for one unit to sell only. I hope to hear something about from friedcat soon.
One chip is 330 MH/s, a board has many chips.
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