It's interesting how people talk about Monero as if we know for sure the privacy achievable in Monero is greater than the privacy achievable in Bitcoin.
Has anyone measured it?
Yes, Monero's privacy has been "measured" (if by "measured" you mean 'mathematically proven') and we thus do know for sure it's better than Bitcoin's. https://downloads.getmonero.org/whitepaper_review.pdf |
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Those who want to believe that the major pools are going to first upgrade to a new version (which will be public btw) then wait until X blocks and then suddenly downgrade in order to somehow make off with millions are welcome to believe that.
Seems people here have no recollection of the last fork where no such thing happened (perhaps they were too busy boning up on Sun Tzu then and just weren't ready for it?).
I remember the last fork. It was progress. It made sense to everyone, and nobody tried (successfully) to take advantage of an unhappy situation so it was rather straightforward to obtain consensus. Gavin moving Bitcoin under Hearn's Bitcoin-XT project with against the will of the rest of the dev team represents a very significant regression to a lot of people. I'd be surprised if he actually tries it except in the event that someone badly needs a temporary shake-up in the Bitcoin ecosystem so that can execute some operation in fiat-land and they need a window of time when Bitcoin is not a viable wealth preservation tool. It's endearing how the simpletons among us believe an uncontroversial, uncontestably beneficial fork with widespread consensus is in some way usefully comparable to a controversial fork of dubious utility and limited popularity. Seriously? Of all the people on this forum whose intelligence you could choose to call into question, you pick CIYAM? This is the guy who just helped lay the foundations for completely decentralised trade without third party exchanges. Something that could potentially revolutionise transactions and lessen the number of hacks, thefts and other negative headlines that exchanges tend to attract. What groundbreaking contributions have you made to crypto lately? If you still can't comprehend the simple facts here, that: a) more users on the network means more fees collected and a greater incentive for miners to secure the network when the block rewards start to diminish, and b) the fork is required if we don't want those additional users to be left waiting for an available block because the next one is full, then I don't think anyone is going to take you seriously when you start calling other people simpletons. Yes, simpleton. A Rain Man, idiot-savant kind of simpleton. Great at low-level coding and abstract things like math/algorithms; inept at understanding the complex social dynamics and economic concerns which must be evaluated and weighed in a far-ranging policy debate. Only a gentle simpleton with King Tomlin levels of naivete would reason about a controversial fork-of-choice in terms of a widely-supported past fork-of-necessity. It's either that, or he's being purposefully dishonest. I'm being nice by giving him the benefit of the doubt.  Gavin is already backpedaling to 8MB, because he messed up the math he thought supported 20MB. What else did he miss? |
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Quick, sell all your Bitcoin because I'm associated with it!  Admit it that you are jealous on cypherdoc for siphoning more coins than you. I think most of the shady crappy people here are jealous of cyperdoc, deep down, all they wanted was more money anyways... So true! The only reason to buy an ASIC is because you want leveraged exposure to the price of BTC. These spoiled whining brats are shifting undue blame onto HF because 1) they risked more than they could afford to lose 2) they believed in the myth of windfall "refunds" paid from "secret escrow" accounts 3) they can't handle the fact the price of BTC went down from the $1200 ATH instead of up, and their desired leverage backfired It's like they've never before heard of a high-tech start-up's ambitious first product having birthing pains. What green-horned noobs! They had their chance to prove in court HF was a scam. They failed, and so tried changing the venue to some sort of moralistic 20/20 hindsight-based online tribunal. They can't even get their facts correct, and repeat lies about how HF "never shipped BJ upgrade kits" nor any Sierras. Now they want to steal cypher's coins. What a bunch of losers.  |
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guys like marcus, tvbcof, and iCE are bombastic, antagonistic, fear mongerers that seldom contribute any meaningful theoretical discussion here. they usually attack first by suddenly appearing out of nowhere throwing bombs and vicious name calling; usually at me. i can easily take it but i've seen them do it to other ppl too. they are extremists and unfortunately want Bitcoin to wallow in it's own small little corner here in the US & Europe. which is quite ironic given their objectives. i just don't think they realize what the hell they're doing.
i can kinda be that way too but usually in self defense. but at least i'm willing to engage in deep thought, talk openly, ask questions, acknowledge not knowing some things, or ask for help. these guys are like terrorist know-it-alls that have no remorse.
Now we know you've lost it. Marcus is among the top 10 most intelligent and articulate posters here, just like you used to be. He's never joined our Monero Fan Club AFAIK. Perhaps you're confusing him with aminorex (another preeminent mind who has)? "Vicious name calling?" Tell your therapist all about how the mean kids refused to let you be the boss of Bitcoin. You can't handle becoming the butt of harmless jokes and being nicknamed Frap.doc without resorting to playing the "terrorist" card? Wow... You are becoming unhinged and need to take a vacation. Your all-in in support of the Gavinista's 20mb block putsch has been demonstrated to be based on flawed calculations (as tweeted by ptodd and nszabo). The operator of the largest pool in China is on record schooling Gavin on the stupidity of rushing giant blocks: https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg08010.htmlThat's why Gavin is backpedeling to 8MB. You should join his retreat, instead of picking the wrong hill to die on (along with your credibility). |
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How come we are still discussing Gavincoin when he's the only one supporting it? Centcom really knows how to light up a message board. They had more success selling Reddit on Gavincoin than here or the dev list. |
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 Development Update - June 2, 2015Masternode insu? |
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Yes, I've seen that quote from 2010 before and am still against 20mb blocks at this time. My turn: Satoshi's own words: TL;DR Gavin's own math (when corrected) shows 8MB, not 20, is the right answer, so now he's willing to accept 8. |
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They FUD Reference Node... Its gone now...
Hm what could they FUD now... hmm maybe Evan's hair color? well he wont change color haha
Why do you guys all hate us DASHers, what we ever did to you?
First it's the Reference Node and hardcoded collateral address, now it's Masternode Blinding. Why are there so many security holes in DASH? They shouldn't have been there in the first place. |
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FAILED-product!
" HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s" Did the HashFash ASIC meet the 400GH/s spec? Yes. Some could even be overclocked. Icedrill's are still mining. The bankruptcy is proceeding and nobody ran off to Thailand, unlike a certain popular scam you were defending until it was too late. |
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ATH masternode count
Nobody cares! The DASH rebrand hype was short-lived, and is over now: Meanwhile, *crickets* wonder what happened to Masternode blinding... |
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[gossip about personalities] This seems very plausible. It's also irrelevant. 20MB blocks aren't a Gavinista vs Greg issue. The XT controversy has set the Gavinistas against all our other core devs. All other core devs are acting as a block called Blockstream. Wladimir is just temporarily confused over full nodes vs users. Blockstream hasn't hired "all other core devs." And let's not even start with Gavin and THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION INC. Converted my first node to XT today.
Frap.doc is empowering kids in Africa to buy their frosty blended coffee beverages with the tool Satoshi intended to destroy TBTF banks. Heartwarming. I'm sure there won't be any trade-offs or problems you'll expect gmax to fix.  |
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If they did not pay you any dividends in 2014, how is Icedrill then such a good deal? You participated when? At the IPO in 2013? You got shares in 2014? in 2015?
Where did this phrase "such a good deal" come from? I never used those words. Did you pull them out of your, umm, hat? My point was Icedrill is still mining and paying dividends despite their monumental difficulties, unlike everyone's former heroes ASICminer and Cointerra. So, like with other projects like HF you associate with, there is a fraction of the promised return on the investment, but still a big black hole of debt that they can never recover from. Patterns are emerging... Quick, sell all your Bitcoin because I'm associated with it! |
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[gossip about personalities] This seems very plausible. It's also irrelevant. 20MB blocks aren't a Gavinista vs Greg issue. The XT controversy has set the Gavinistas against all our other core devs. |
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Monero uses an auto-adjusting dynamic block size so tps aren't an issue.
The problem with the Monero code is that it is anonymous, and bitcoin is transparent. Transparency is an option in Monero. Mixin zero for transparency. Mixin >zero for privacy. |
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if the only option is choosing between the two, i would say increase the block size without a doubt.
right now is not a good time to increase the fees. if the fees are increased now, new users will not even consider bitcoin as a means for payment.
Yes, new users will reject paying the cost of a postage stamp for high Bitcoin priority, and instead return to slow, expensive, invasive Western Union/Paypal transfers. Oh wait, that doesn't make any sense. |
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Does Duffield regret instamining DRK/DASH at 100x emission?
Yes: 42 (24.7%)
No: 128 (75.3%)
No he's does not regret. He made too much money to regret anything. We need a fifth "Not Yet" option: Duffield will regret the instamine and the money he made from it, when FinCEN takes it all away and fines him for running a HYIP and MSB. One can hope. It's obvious what he did is illegal. It wouldn't be difficult to make a case for insider trading and fraud. Insider trading? No man, not in an unregulated market. But he's still a scammer and if he did this is the real world he may be in jail. THE DARKCOIN FOUNDATION INC is registered in the State of Arizona, where Duffield lives. As soon as someone who suffered losses from their "Masternode" HYIP complains, the process of bringing them to justice begins. The market has priced in this risk, which is why DASH trades for the same price it did before the rebranding hype and ensuing dump. |
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The true value that Bitcoin brings to the table is not "everyone gets to write into the holy ledger", it is instead "everyone gets to benefit from sane and non-inflationary financial instutions whose sanity and honesty are ensured by the holy blockchain".
-davout It's easy to support 'more free transactions' when others are bearing the externalized costs. |
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Those who want to believe that the major pools are going to first upgrade to a new version (which will be public btw) then wait until X blocks and then suddenly downgrade in order to somehow make off with millions are welcome to believe that.
Seems people here have no recollection of the last fork where no such thing happened (perhaps they were too busy boning up on Sun Tzu then and just weren't ready for it?).
I remember the last fork. It was progress. It made sense to everyone, and nobody tried (successfully) to take advantage of an unhappy situation so it was rather straightforward to obtain consensus. Gavin moving Bitcoin under Hearn's Bitcoin-XT project with against the will of the rest of the dev team represents a very significant regression to a lot of people. I'd be surprised if he actually tries it except in the event that someone badly needs a temporary shake-up in the Bitcoin ecosystem so that can execute some operation in fiat-land and they need a window of time when Bitcoin is not a viable wealth preservation tool. It's endearing how the simpletons among us believe an uncontroversial, uncontestably beneficial fork with widespread consensus is in some way usefully comparable to a controversial fork of dubious utility and limited popularity. |
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monero is still a very bad and risky investment  what if polo get hacked? lots of xmr would be in danger hands and monero would be dead in no time  We sure feel better knowing a troll like you cares so much about our money and investments believe me, you should be thankfull at me don't say i haven't you warned yet It costs almost nothing (0.005%) to borrow up to ~25k XMR. Why don't you put your money where your mouth is, and short them?  |
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