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581  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / How to run 2 bitcoin-qts? on: April 16, 2013, 01:04:25 PM
How can I run two separate bitcoin servers that accept json-rcp commands on a single machine?
582  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Bitcoin cart on: April 15, 2013, 04:02:41 PM
Are there any PHP scripts that allow to receive and confirm (6 confirmation) without relying on bitcoin-qt running as server?
583  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: A guide to how Provably Fair works. on: April 14, 2013, 05:59:42 AM
hmmmm, maybe my 15 years in the field wasn't enough to compreend the text. so, can you point me what I miss about that NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology) paper?


and please, try to prove what you're saying because until now you just chitchatting


Please refer to the following posts where I have already addressed the issue so you may better "compreend" everything:

Satoshidice claims it is "provably fair" but decides they will not prove that they are fair and so far it hasn't been proven once. Now I do understand your claim that they must not prove that they are fair to really be fair but then it's the argument of religion basically, if I hold my hand behind my back and claim I have a couple of pounds of diamonds in my hand I would be the one making the statement thus I would be the one needing proof (e.g. showing you the diamonds) and not you needing proof of me not having the diamonds in my hand behind my back in order to establish that they really are not there, since I have no initial proof of my statement it is disregarded.

Makes sense? Gox has everything to do with it since both of the companies are ran by teenagers that fail to employ the proper people to do a job they are unqualified to do out of pure greed.

We can now establish who is right in the second argument: Me

As I have already expressed this in the most childish way possible so even an infant may understand: I am not the one that needs to prove they are NOT fair, they are the one needing to prove that they ARE fair, it hasn't been done once.


You say this a lot. so, can you explain me what exactly you mean by your "industries standards"?

The chance of it being fixed by an established and licensed casino is much lower than ANY bitcoin casino.

S. Dice for example claim they have fair play, yet it is possible for them to submit selective bets since they know the secret word in advance and potentially steal from their investors. Okay not bad right? Wrong, nobody can vouch for the quality of the numbers that satoshidice generates and how random they are exactly, have they been certified by the Swiss Federal Office of Metrology (also known as METAS) and confirmed for quality number output that could compare to commercial RNGs such as Quantis? No? Didn't think so, it was certified by a bunch of smartasses on bitcointalk.

Using the (salted) hash of the chat as a seed is also a bad idea for various reasons, please leave it to the pros to generate quality random numbers, especially when it comes to gambling on virtual property, fund your project properly and hire a qualified person to do that work.

I think it is related to the dark side of anarchism whereas people begin to disregard technological advances and standards that have been established as a result of perfecting the systems and simply claim that these standards are a series of monopolized marketing schemes aiming at increasing profitability.

Basically the logic of fuck METAS, licensing, technological institutions that specialize in metrology, they are all greed seeking pigs, so we'll use a lava lamp as an RNG instead since we can do it better (and increase our own profits in the grand scheme of things).

This is the new dawn of cryptocurrency demagogism that, from their perspective, will ideally misguide fools, give themselves a piggyback ride on the economy and leave fools scratching their heads and blaming Bitcoins when they have hit rock bottom.

The sole fact that they haven't shown one bit of evidence just makes it painfully obvious to anyone who doesn't have urine in their circulation system. Stop showing us your right hand while giving us the ol' switch and grab, the true members of the community will still look at your other hand.
584  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: A guide to how Provably Fair works. on: April 14, 2013, 05:32:54 AM
if you bet 20 times in a row and loose every time and some else evens the house edge by winning 20 times it isn't very fair is it?

Very fair. It is the nature of random, try flipping a coin 10'000 times and see if you dont get 20 heads on a row.



The problem occurs though when >90% of bets are like that for example. The house edge seems normal more or less but you were already predetermined to loose to a greater degree before even placing the bet,  this coupled with stealing from investors = success.
585  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: A guide to how Provably Fair works. on: April 14, 2013, 02:37:41 AM
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Yes provably fair means that you are exposed to 100% pure random. It seems you prefer casinos that manipulate you into thinking that you are not losing while you actually lose.
Anyway, It is worthless arguing with you, because either you are 10 years old, completely stupid or be paid to lure innocent players to your cheating casino. I hope for you it's the first, because then there is still a chance you could grow yourself a brain to understand that 100% pure random is better than manipulation.

Way to take this argument to the level of name calling, what exactly makes you come to the conclusion it is 100% random if no statistical analysis has been done? What makes you think that it isn't weighed in one way or another? Just because it's hashes 2 times this possibility is somehow automatically eliminated?
586  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: A guide to how Provably Fair works. on: April 14, 2013, 01:39:04 AM
Thing yes provable fair has not been proven even once until today. Please educate yourself before replying to "big guys" talking okay buds?
You two are a joke, living proof of how gullible the masses are on a big scale, don't play at SRoulettes casino for all I care.
"big guy" LMAO. Actually provably fair proofs it on every single game. And even a below than average educated teenager could easily grasp it. So please don't count yourself as a "big guy".
Anyway, most people would not admit publicly that they do not understand how provably fair works. So, respect for admitting it. Still, now everyone knows that you are not very bright light, so to speak.
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but it is unfair to the players that the numbers are not generated according to the standards of the industry

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Thing yes provable fair has not been proven even once until today.

You're wrong.

http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/nistpubs/800-90A/SP800-90A.pdf

case closed

You two kids are hopeless but let me educate you a little, yes it is possible to prove that the bet result was generated using the transaction id, the secret key and whatnot but who guarantees even distribution across all numbers as it needs to be by the industries standards?

You could theoretically even have a proper house edge, just that you would have abnormally long "cold" periods and "hot" periods, if you bet 20 times in a row and loose every time and some else evens the house edge by winning 20 times it isn't very fair is it? Potentially house edge heightening, but at least you admit that you are a gullible sheep and posses no ability to read and comprehend text, so very brave of you  Tongue .
587  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: A guide to how Provably Fair works. on: April 13, 2013, 02:16:00 PM
WTF?

SatoshiDICE is provably fair for your own games. Provably fair is not a magic bullet - it doesn't suddenly allow you to prove the house isn't making any bets, or that the house isn't cheating their shareholders, but that doesn't mean something is not fair.

And, wow, it's ridiculously easy to prove s.dice is provably fair.. get past secrets, generate random hashes ("txids"), repeat many times.

This madmadmax guy wants to be cheated, so he is either a "simple mind" or more probably a paid shill. Actually he should use fiat money instead of Bitcoins because the fed has those wonderful statistics requires blind trust instead of being provably. But the fact that he seems to prefer Bitcoins tells us he actually knows the difference between provably and just telling fancy tales like the fed and his casino. Now if you combine those informations you end up knowing that he is a paid shill from one of those cheating casinos.

Thing yes provable fair has not been proven even once until today. Please educate yourself before replying to "big guys" talking okay buds?

You two are a joke, living proof of how gullible the masses are on a big scale, don't play at SRoulettes casino for all I care.
588  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: A guide to how Provably Fair works. on: April 13, 2013, 10:00:10 AM
As of the moment no one has done that yet thus claiming "provable fair" isn't the most noble thing to do, some would even call it lying.

"Fair" means they don't cheat the player.  "Provable" means they can prove it.  There's no lying.

S Dice would have a unique opportunity to cheat their shareholders due to the nature of the Bitcoin network, it all comes down to the greed of the individual I think, Gox could have easily hired professional security guys, rent a CDN, buy a DDOS protecting router for that 3% is it that they pull? Instead they chose to lie to their users like a bunch of teenagers and deny a DDOS ever happened (according to what I've got they have admitted to it in the end), same thing with S Dice and most successful bitcoin casinos, gluttony.

SatoshiDice has all their activity publicly available on the blockchain.  They have less opportunities to cheat their shareholders than any traditional online casino.  It would be trivial for a traditional casino to say "we had a high roller come and win a million dollars from us.  Sorry, no dividends this month".  How would the shareholders argue with that?

Gox and their DDoS has nothing to do with this, not even a little bit.


Here is a situation though, Satoshidice knows their own secret word ahead of time, thus they can submit bets to themselves as if they are the player, since they can potentially "be" the player and know the secret word ahead of time (since they are really Satoshidice) they can thus submit selective bets and raise the house edge to such a degree that no one of the investors would be getting a cent.

In the "real world" there is so much surveillance and protocols that casinos have to follow that claiming a person won a million dollars without it happening would be virtually impossible. Funny that so many people are defending their precious stock yet they fail to see and to point out this simple flaw while claiming some algorithms/blockchain protects them on the low level.

We can now establish who is right in the first argument: Me


Satoshidice claims it is "provably fair" but decides they will not prove that they are fair and so far it hasn't been proven once. Now I do understand your claim that they must not prove that they are fair to really be fair but then it's the argument of religion basically, if I hold my hand behind my back and claim I have a couple of pounds of diamonds in my hand I would be the one making the statement thus I would be the one needing proof (e.g. showing you the diamonds) and not you needing proof of me not having the diamonds in my hand behind my back in order to establish that they really are not there, since I have no initial proof of my statement it is disregarded.

Makes sense? Gox has everything to do with it since both of the companies are ran by teenagers that fail to employ the proper people to do a job they are unqualified to do out of pure greed.

We can now establish who is right in the second argument: Me


Thanks for doing the simulation SRoulette Smiley
Always happy to help Smiley
Anything we can to do reassure players is in ours and the communities best interest.

Interesting that the mainstream will roll with the established website despite the utter stupidity in doing so while such alternatives exist.
589  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: A guide to how Provably Fair works. on: April 12, 2013, 05:42:24 AM
The difference appears to be that traditional casinos can pay to get the stamp of approval from some body that says the random number generator they demonstrated to that body is good.  There's no way they can prove that they actually use that good random number generator when the public plays against them however.

With provably fair games the players can be sure that the algorithm that is used is the one that the casinos claim is used, because they can check the maths for themselves.

It's possible to run huge simulations to check the distributions created by the provably fair algorithms to see if there's any bias.  I don't know if anyone has done that.

And claiming that provably fair doesn't work because SatoshiDice can cheat to defraud their shareholders is disingenuous because any business can cheat its shareholders no matter what business they're in.  It's not like that is unique to provably fair casinos.

All provable fairness gives you is the assurance that the house isn't cheating the players.  And that's a lot.

As of the moment no one has done that yet thus claiming "provable fair" isn't the most noble thing to do, some would even call it lying.

S Dice would have a unique opportunity to cheat their shareholders due to the nature of the Bitcoin network, it all comes down to the greed of the individual I think, Gox could have easily hired professional security guys, rent a CDN, buy a DDOS protecting router for that 3% is it that they pull? Instead they chose to lie to their users like a bunch of teenagers and deny a DDOS ever happened (according to what I've got they have admitted to it in the end), same thing with S Dice and most successful bitcoin casinos, gluttony.
590  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: A guide to how Provably Fair works. on: April 11, 2013, 11:14:08 PM
The chance of it being fixed by an established and licensed casino is much lower than ANY bitcoin casino.
The chance of it being fixed by say bitzino is 0% because of math. And you claim that it is lower in established casinos? LOL. If your point would be true it would also be possible to counterfeit bitcoins, spend coins from wallets without having the private key, and so on. Sorry, but it only shows that you have no clue about math and hashes.

Have you read the rest of my post and comprehended my point though?

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Oh so you want standards of the industry where your win and loses are capped, come on dude, if you don't like it don't play. But this is fair, and can be prove. I will make a casino just for you where you only get 25% edge and the house gets 75% cause that is what slots are set too.

You just lost me there,

They are misrepresenting themselves to the gullible bitcointalk masses, the quality of the numbers generated is unknown, I rest my case.
591  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: A guide to how Provably Fair works. on: April 11, 2013, 10:42:56 PM
Seems to me that provable fairness gives the spotlight to crypto-charlatans, I would much rather trust my funds to large licensed casinos than a bunch of dorks hashing each other hashes in someones basement.

So you rather know that your gambling could have been fixed by the casino so for sure lose. Or would you rather have something that is as random as it gets, the software can't fix it to make sure you lose. I don't know what planet your from. Also why you have to name call? LMAO Does it in-power you in some way?

The chance of it being fixed by an established and licensed casino is much lower than ANY bitcoin casino.

S. Dice for example claim they have fair play, yet it is possible for them to submit selective bets since they know the secret word in advance and potentially steal from their investors. Okay not bad right? Wrong, nobody can vouch for the quality of the numbers that satoshidice generates and how random they are exactly, have they been certified by the Swiss Federal Office of Metrology (also known as METAS) and confirmed for quality number output that could compare to commercial RNGs such as Quantis? No? Didn't think so, it was certified by a bunch of smartasses on bitcointalk.

Using the (salted) hash of the chat as a seed is also a bad idea for various reasons, please leave it to the pros to generate quality random numbers, especially when it comes to gambling on virtual property, fund your project properly and hire a qualified person to do that work.

You clearly never been to a licensed casino, slots are the worst odds and how is 95% in a bitcoin casino less than a licensed casino?

S.Dice has certainly had losing months, and they can't do that and if you check up on that, so if they do it you can show the forum, but I doubt that. They have made millions and don't need to fix the bets, that would make them lose everyone that was using the site.

You can't do random numbers in computers hence why you need hash something can be random, like a chat, and it clearly works as you can see it working.

It might work, it might even generate the house edge they claim, but it is unfair to the players that the numbers are not generated according to the standards of the industry, e.g. players could have "cold"/"hot" periods with S dice whereas players would loose 15 times in a row or win 15 times in a row. Same thing with other bitcoin casinos, nobody can guarantee how chaostic they are exactly. People need to start pulling their head out of their asses.
592  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: A guide to how Provably Fair works. on: April 11, 2013, 10:30:10 PM
Seems to me that provable fairness gives the spotlight to crypto-charlatans, I would much rather trust my funds to large licensed casinos than a bunch of dorks hashing each other hashes in someones basement.

So you rather know that your gambling could have been fixed by the casino so for sure lose. Or would you rather have something that is as random as it gets, the software can't fix it to make sure you lose. I don't know what planet your from. Also why you have to name call? LMAO Does it in-power you in some way?

The chance of it being fixed by an established and licensed casino is much lower than ANY bitcoin casino.

S. Dice for example claim they have fair play, yet it is possible for them to submit selective bets since they know the secret word in advance and potentially steal from their investors. Okay not bad right? Wrong, nobody can vouch for the quality of the numbers that satoshidice generates and how random they are exactly, have they been certified by the Swiss Federal Office of Metrology (also known as METAS) and confirmed for quality number output that could compare to commercial RNGs such as Quantis? No? Didn't think so, it was certified by a bunch of smartasses on bitcointalk.

Using the (salted) hash of the chat as a seed is also a bad idea for various reasons, please leave it to the pros to generate quality random numbers, especially when it comes to gambling on virtual property, fund your project properly and hire a qualified person to do that work.
593  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: A guide to how Provably Fair works. on: April 11, 2013, 02:06:19 PM
Seems to me that provable fairness gives the spotlight to crypto-charlatans, I would much rather trust my funds to large licensed casinos than a bunch of dorks hashing each other hashes in someones basement.
594  Economy / Gambling / Re: Casinobit - LIVE ROULETTE - No Registration - FREE BTC on: April 11, 2013, 02:00:52 PM
I have decided to send out 0.002 to any bet regardless of win/loss, just post the transaction here.

I've been playing a little seems to work great so far, pretty addicting.
595  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Isn't bitcoin getting greedy if you count the recent price rises? on: April 09, 2013, 06:02:14 PM
I don't want to comment on fee's.

But I will say that BTC in general is in a very greedy phase. ALOT of people buying up BTC's right now are doing so because of the recent spike in value and looking to get rich quick.  That's a very strong sign of a bubble. 

I know people who know next to nothing about computers who are now calling me asking about BTC because they want to get in on the gravy train and make some quick money.

As of right now this second, BTC is starting to become less of a currency and more of a commodity/investment that people are hoping to get rich on.

I guess it is simply the nature of people to bubble something, can't prevent it.
596  Economy / Gambling / Re: Casinobit - LIVE ROULETTE - No Registration on: April 09, 2013, 05:57:56 PM
Hey I've checked this out everything seems to work props to you. I'm surprised of the lack of attention this has received so far, must be a gold mine of some kind.

You can count on me playing again...
597  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Isn't bitcoin getting greedy if you count the recent price rises? on: April 09, 2013, 05:06:39 AM
With the fees? I mean with bitcoins getting rare lately paying a 0.0015 fee for sending 0.01 btc seems a bit extreme, even if there are 8 inputs, paying 30 cents for a 2 dollar transfer is a bit greedy and even though I understand that this is necessary to decrease the size of the chain wouldn't it be possible to introduce different concepts in order to make the chain smaller? Possibly "timestamping" a certain point in the chain and deleting all the spent transactions before that and then using it as a new start? This could be done automatically every month for example.
598  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: So... This is how you kill bitcoin. on: April 09, 2013, 04:56:04 AM
Gotta admit, pretty smart - Didn't see that coming, did we?

If you're a central bank, or a government feeling threatened by the rise of a paradigm such as bitcoin, how do you kill it?

Make it illegal? Make it difficult to use? Ostracize the theory's proponents?

Or just simply remove the underlying utility of the invention in question - in this case, bitcoin's use as either a transactional currency, or a useful store of value.

Other than the speculators, who in their right mind would store their worth in something that has no steady, definite value?

Forget the people hurrying to buy bitcoin today (because tomorrow it'll be 25% more!) - Who would dare use bitcoin to purchase a good or service from someone in another country, or at a retail counter?

If you're a central bank, or a government, with massive resources at your disposal, you don't care if you make a few people wealthy in the beginning (or destroy a few fortunes in the end) you've accomplished what you set out to do: "Bitcoin? That was a crazy ride. Who'd ever trust that thing again?"

It's a shame, really - there was so much potential, and yet it's proven so easy to destroy.

The destruction was just not conducted the way that any of us thought it would be done.



Never underestimate the foolishness of the average gullible misguided fool, I bet if bitcoin wouldn't gain momentum rapidly and the economy would expand over time instead they would paint the whole practice in propoganda instead and wage a prohibition era against bitcoin fueled by the fear of the masses.
599  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What are the biggest mistakes you've done with Bitcoin? on: April 09, 2013, 04:53:14 AM
Back at the day when I was new to bitcoins you could buy them at about 6$ per coin, wish I could travel back in time and slap myself on the head and invest all I can gather into them.
600  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: How does blockchain.info determines output? on: April 06, 2013, 10:57:50 AM
Analyzing raw transactions I can only see txid in "vin" but no actual address
You need to understand how transactions actually work. There is no address in the inputs - they are just references to previous outputs.
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transaction

I know that already, figured it out, thanks.
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