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5821  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 09, 2014, 12:51:56 PM
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Analyst opinions are a lagging indicator..

The useful and prescriptive indicator being opinions of the ignorant?

Analysts and ignorants are not mutually exclusive.

Right.  "Engineer" and "stupid" are also not mutually exclusive.  Though when it comes to engineering, I'd be more tempted to listen to an engineer over a ditch digger.  Bigoted me Undecided
5822  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 09, 2014, 12:21:53 PM
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BTC is still here... and the future is even brighter and BTC is even stronger... (only a blind man cannot see this)

So therefore, for me , now is not the time to sell....
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Horribly faulty logic.  BTC may be "even stronger," but its exchange rate is lower than it once was.  If the exchange rate continues on its downward trend, it's smart to sell, regardless of Bitcoin's eventual success.
5823  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 09, 2014, 12:17:52 PM
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Analyst opinions are a lagging indicator..

The useful and prescriptive indicator being opinions of the ignorant?

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... don't pay attention to it. How the hell can you compare a payment system with a precious metal anyway?

Because many Bitcoiners consider it a store of value?
5824  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 09, 2014, 12:05:52 PM
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Would be a daft time to take profits.... if they did not take profits between $800-$1300

Dat hindsight...
5825  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 09, 2014, 11:56:03 AM
someone would expect the price to go up after the Paypal news, or was it priced in already ?

This has been going on for months now. Value is improving (so I'm happy) but price is completely disconnected from value in the short run.

That's because disruptive technology--old-fashioned economic modeling is obsolete Cool

nah, in the short term mr Market is crazy in the "old fashioned" economy as well. It's just that people can be really ignorant. And what makes up the market? That's right! Wink

You're either saying that the market is inherently irrational, thus immune to rational analysis (by definition), or?
I'd rather know what the ignorant sheeple will do, not what some hypothetical rational actor should do.  The first influences the market, and helps me trade, the second?  Not so much Cheesy
5826  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 09, 2014, 11:31:56 AM
someone would expect the price to go up after the Paypal news, or was it priced in already ?

This has been going on for months now. Value is improving (so I'm happy) but price is completely disconnected from value in the short run.

That's because disruptive technology--old-fashioned economic modeling is obsolete Cool
5827  Economy / Securities / Re: [HAVELOCK] AlcheMiner Scrypt ASIC on: September 09, 2014, 11:12:52 AM
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(action = joule * second) * 6.62606957 × 10-34 m2 kg/s * 1/peanutbutter666
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FTFY.  Yours is good too, though.
5828  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 09, 2014, 12:48:42 AM
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Depends upon definition... Of course, you have spent twice;however, one of those spending is a form of internal transfer from yourself and to yourself.  The other is a transfer from yourself to another entity... Accordingly, there is only 1x spending from yourself to another entity.

Simpler than a stewed turnip!
5829  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 08, 2014, 10:32:45 PM
tl;dr

I'll respond, but only if you hook yourself up to blood pressure monitor and give an update at regular intervals.

5830  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 08, 2014, 10:23:41 PM
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Buying with a credit card may be easy, it's also completely unsafe and non-private. My credit card company called me the other day asking whether a few transactions I made were mine. I understand they have to spy but that's only because they didn't make any form a security.

What are you talking about?  What do you mean by "unsafe"?!

And privacy?  We're talking about PayPal vs. CC here.  I'd suggest you don't buy underage hookers or blow with either.  Jeesh.

There are some things Bitcoin can't buy (hookers, blow). For everything else, there's other privacy crypto.

So...  You don't have an answer and just wanted to shitpost?

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Get a calculator and look at the spot rates and the retail rates.  Never had a card stolen? Great, you're still paying for their insurance to protect themselves.
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Since I don't see the CC charges (those being included in retail prices), I should see a pretty substantial discount when I pay with BTC.  How much, do you suppose?
5831  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 08, 2014, 10:16:31 PM
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Buying with a credit card may be easy, it's also completely unsafe and non-private. My credit card company called me the other day asking whether a few transactions I made were mine. I understand they have to spy but that's only because they didn't make any form a security.

What are you talking about?  What do you mean by "unsafe"?!

And privacy?  We're talking about PayPal vs. CC here.  I'd suggest you don't buy underage hookers or blow with either.  Jeesh.
5832  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 08, 2014, 10:09:03 PM
...Do you think there is an advantage to a first timer to use coinbase to buy btc to purchase an item? ...

Only if you're Rube Goldberg.  Otherwise no.
5833  Economy / Securities / Re: [HAVELOCK] Mintspare (MS) Bitcoin Electronic Trade-in Service - Official Thread on: September 08, 2014, 09:45:40 PM
Havelock.  How broke are you?

@Havelock:  Any plans of distributing the remaining 100 BTC among MS shareholders?   
5834  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 08, 2014, 07:26:44 PM
5835  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 08, 2014, 06:51:00 PM
http://techcrunch.com/2014/09/08/paypal-braintree/

Huh
5836  Economy / Speculation / Re: Price of mining the cheapest bitcoin on: September 08, 2014, 06:43:17 PM
^Everything keeps going over my head lately--I thought you were being sarcastic Sad  Sorry about the digs.
*If the corporate press releases are to be trusted, there's plenty of stuff in the pipeline, and plenty of VC money...
5837  Economy / Speculation / Re: Price of mining the cheapest bitcoin on: September 08, 2014, 06:17:43 PM
^Lolno.  Of course ASIC manufacturers aren't shuttering--not with all that VC cheddar up for grabs!  And they're gamblers, just like you.  They, and the VC money behind them, are betting on BTC price going up.  
...the only difference being they have a bit more control than you do.  Price spikes?  In-stock gear vanishes, pre-order shipments get delayed, factory-farms ramp up, difficulty spikes until your gear is unprofitable again and then ...and then you get your gear.
*Was a bit creepy, but also sorta' edifying to watch small-time miners (like you?) funding aspiring ASIC manufacturers--and making themselves obsolete in the process.
Because tragedy of the commons.
Because greed.



A fraction of KNC's farms.
5838  Economy / Speculation / Re: Price of mining the cheapest bitcoin on: September 08, 2014, 02:18:47 PM
What if you get free electricity and pay nothing for it? There are some places where stealing power is no big deal. Like where I live.

There is always a way to make money through theft.  This is not a Bitcoin phenomenon.
5839  Economy / Speculation / Re: Price of mining the cheapest bitcoin on: September 08, 2014, 02:15:23 PM
So if it is already unprofitable to mine bitcoins, why is the hashrate growing at the constant rate? VCs burning money rushing to increase their network share, but for what reason? Also, if that is the case for some unknown consideration, would not they keep mined bitcoins off the market, does not make any sense to sell at a loss?

The hashrate is growing because ASIC manufacturers have to unload their miners, which have been in the pipeline for quite a while--since they began designing the chips, which translates to ~8 months on the average.
If you are an ASIC manufacturer, you have two options:

  1.  Eat NRE, pay someone to grind up your stock of chips and haul it away. <==Not smart.
  2.  Sell chips at a loss, partially recoup your investment. <==Pick this if you're smart.
  
If you are a miner, and ordered shit from an ASIC manufacturer months ago, you have two options:

  1.  Sign for the package, walk to the nearest trash can, throw it away. <==Not smart.
  2.  Fire up your miner, and keep mining until it costs more in electricity to mine one coin than the coin's worth.  You won't "ROI," but you'll lose less than with (1). <==Pick this if you're smart.

Re. "keeping mined bitcoin off the market":  Mined bitcoin is no different from any other bitcoin because fungibility.  It makes no more sense to keep mined bitcoin off the market than keeping hoarded bitcoin off the market.

Any of this help?

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Simple overshoot...these devices coming online right now were designed 6 months ago, produced last month....and as soon as they hit the mine they are non-profit. The operators have no choice but to keep going forward...they sunk their costs 6 months ago in the past when the current hashrate was unthinkable.
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This.
5840  Economy / Securities / Re: [RETURN] Announcing CoinReturn Financial IPO! on: September 08, 2014, 11:57:44 AM
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Either SamboNZ is the dumbest guy on Earth, or he played you.  Next time, listen to "trolls."

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The onus is still on you to answer why you still think this is a scam, especially in light of being asked following the good faith moves the project manager(s) made in an effort to try and dispel ambiguity and suspicion.
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Noobthegreat!
In light of the project manager(s) running away after making an effort to try and dispel ambiguity and suspicion, here's that condolences gif I promised you.
Already gave one to SamboNZ, so this one's all yours, friend!


Sorry for your loss!


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