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5821  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: -- Butterfly Labs New 600GH "Mining Card" - RED FLAGS?!?! on: January 20, 2014, 02:10:09 AM
Inaba is either insane or a fucking genius.  Cool
I'm not sure on wich... but i'm going to collect some funds and order a Monarch, i like the chaos...

No.  Just a run of the mill scam artist.  The BBB rating of the company speaks for itself.

But its cool how he parlays his incompetence and dishonesty into a way to qualify his customers.  They don't want people smart enough  to see past the jz smokescreen.  They want suckers too blind to realize they are exactly the bunch of tools they appear to be.
5822  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Silk Road Bitcoin Stash To Be Auctioned! on: January 18, 2014, 10:29:10 PM
SR is a nasty stain on Bitcoin's past.

In what way is it? If it wasn't for all the publicity Silk Road got BTC might not be where it is today.

That's like saying a handgun is good finger exercise.  Silk road played a large role in the beginning of btc but it came at a horrible price. The perception of bitcoin as the currency of the darknet is still prevalent and it might take years to fully outgrow that stigma.

Not really. What was the horrible price? It's pretty much already outgrown that 'stigma' anyway, and the only people who think it's a currency for the corrupt and illegal are ignorant idiots anyway.

The people you call "ignorant idiots" are the people who will take bitcoin mainstream. Dismissing them does not change this.

The perception is changing.  But the reality is we are not done seeing the effect of SR on the price and perception of btc.  No amount of denying it makes it untrue.
5823  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Low Denomination Bitcoin on: January 18, 2014, 10:16:06 PM
You send the vendor exactly .005Btc.

It's easy.  There is never really any need for change.

At first some questions we have about bitcoin are like this...

How will we actually send an email if there is nowhere to buy stamps?

The more you understand bitcoin, the more you will realize it is an idea who's time has come.
5824  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Silk Road Bitcoin Stash To Be Auctioned! on: January 18, 2014, 10:11:33 PM
SR is a nasty stain on Bitcoin's past.

In what way is it? If it wasn't for all the publicity Silk Road got BTC might not be where it is today.

That's like saying a handgun is good finger exercise.  Silk road played a large role in the beginning of btc but it came at a horrible price.  The perception of bitcoin as the currency of the darknet is still prevalent and it might take years to fully outgrow that stigma.

Even after its demise,now we have to brace for some huge selling pressure in the near future.
5825  Economy / Speculation / Re: Proudhon...can you please send me 1 BTC as you promised? on: January 16, 2014, 07:13:11 AM



And besides, it's only a matter of time before we get confirmed news from sources that the governments of the world will imprison anyone who holds bitcoin. Really, I'm just looking out for myself.

? lol ?

confirmed news from sources

^^ best part.
5826  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Fork The Blockchain And Block The Seized FBI Coins. on: January 15, 2014, 08:53:09 PM
This may be the stupidest idea I have read on this forum so far.

And it completely goes against what bitcoin represents and strives for.


Yes, thank you cAPSLOCK.

Bitcoin has to be transparent, even in hacking situations that hurts majority of users. Even whole countries (and their currencies) fall and rise, we just have to live with it.

It is the only way of actual freedom and fairness.

Those who agree with the op should think about this...

I guarantee you there are bitcoin users who support the FBI and the us government in this case.  Whether they are right or wrong or in the majority or minority who are you to act on their behalf.

Real freedom may come at a great price.

One of the most astonishingly beautiful aspects of the bitcoin ideal is it resists the tyranny of ideas like the op.
5827  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Fork The Blockchain And Block The Seized FBI Coins. on: January 15, 2014, 04:12:30 PM
This may be the stupidest idea I have read on this forum so far.

And it completely goes against what bitcoin represents and strives for.


I agree, but think about this for a moment.  It's technically possible for a non-governmental international community to "seize" "property" from a government.  And not just any government, arguably the most powerful government in the world right now.  I agree that it would be a bad idea, but the fact that we can seriously have a discussion about this, and it's actually possible for a community to say, "Uh, no, you can't just take those", is truly remarkable, I think.

Indeed so, though we would have to sacrifice bitcoin to achieve this goal.  The moment that power is wielded we damage fungability AND become a central bank with an agenda.

In the end what's most interesting about this idea to me is thinking of a way to ensure it would be impossible for it to ever be implemented at all.

It IS remarkable that so much power resides in the community that is connected by the bitcoin network, but this idea is so antithetical to the foundation of bitcoin that I can almost begin to give credence to the paranoid background choir singing about anti-bitcoin sock puppets.  Almost.

Bitcoin is not a tool to promote a single political agenda.
5828  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Fork The Blockchain And Block The Seized FBI Coins. on: January 15, 2014, 03:49:48 PM
This may be the stupidest idea I have read on this forum so far.

And it completely goes against what bitcoin represents and strives for.
5829  Economy / Gambling / Re: SealsWithClubs.eu | Largest Bitcoin Poker Site | No Banking | Fast Cashouts on: January 13, 2014, 09:45:45 PM
I agree short fast structures favor smaller fields, though its mot such a big deal to me.

Seals did something interesting I never saw before with the "Smooth" blind structures.  I wonder if they could do something similar with a "Smooth tournament structure" where depth and speed were adjusted based on players in the field. 

It could be done just at the onset of the tournamet like the payout structures...  in other words the more players, the deeper the stacks and/or longer the blinds. It would have to be an "S" curve I think as not to get ridiculous.

Or...it could adjust as the field shrinks in the game itself to, which would lend itself to some interesting tourney strat imo.

Just sort of thinking out loud.
5830  Economy / Speculation / Re: Analysis never ends on: January 13, 2014, 09:35:34 PM

I simply don't see enough of anything to make such a long shot.


I know I risk of being burned as a witch saying it here...  but is it not reasonable to think that when you are talking about longer periods at this point in the discovery of a new commodity/currency/phenomenon fundamentals will begin to damp technical forecasts?
5831  Economy / Speculation / Re: Latest Developments Thread on: January 13, 2014, 09:02:21 PM
Seems to me this is yet another site which is really a gambling site complete with deposit bonuses etc masquerading as a currency trading platform.  Complete with binary options etc.

Seems to be a lot of these popping up.
5832  Economy / Speculation / Re: Analysis never ends on: January 13, 2014, 05:44:58 PM


I nominate you for the prestigious "most valuable bear of the year" award Cheesy

Second.
5833  Economy / Speculation / Re: Latest Developments Thread on: January 13, 2014, 04:05:04 PM

That's cool...  having to submit to this checkbox at each purchase is not:

"I agree that I will get the Bitcoin exchange rate in effect at the time when BuyBitcoin.ph processes my payment and delivers bitcoins to me, not at the time I submit this form."
5834  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Name the 0.0001 BTC unit - Final Poll on: January 12, 2014, 05:21:58 AM
I hate all those names.   Shocked
5835  Economy / Speculation / Re: You guys gonna become paranoid about Ripple on: January 11, 2014, 11:56:26 PM
Why does ripple keep popping up here? is there not a ripple forum somewhere else on the internet? This is bitcoins. I've listened to the ripple arguments why its so good and I'm not interested.

IDK, this is kind of the point of this thread, although it gets derailed constantly.
I don't mind, since that strengthens my point.

Not interested != Paranoid.
5836  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What is this number? 2.401E-5 BTC on: January 11, 2014, 12:49:42 AM
Hey,

So I know decimals and kind of know what the 2.401E-5 represents, but can someone bring it back to the 0.00000000 format for me? I have to think of 2.4 as 0.00002401 or something?

Thanks Smiley

0.00002401 BTC.
5837  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: January 10, 2014, 11:29:37 PM
Re overstock et filia:

More use means more flow means more liquidity means more price discovery means less volatility means more confidence means more demand means higher price.

But it's a long chain, and any link can prove weak.  It's also a long pipeline and it takes time for inputs to be expressed as outputs.


I would organize the thoughtful situations you offer not as a path, but rather as a Bayesian Influence Diagram . . .


The diagram is shared here.



PFFFT.  You didn't really even try...  And  two dimensions is just so "pre ASIC".



5838  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: January 10, 2014, 02:51:36 AM

In terms of market cap, just the Bitcoin currency (ignoring its obvious value as a payment network/p2p ledger) could roughly be compared to the current M2 USD supply (~$10 trillion) plus total value of gold mined on the planet (~$8 trillion). A $1MM BTC price would give a total possible market cap of ~$21 trillion, ignoring lost coins. Not too far off.


You are making my point for me.  Expecting bitcoin to have a value LARGER than USD M2 + All gold is definitely fantastic.

Keep in mind that $1MM USD may or may not be as valuable as you think in the future.  It's an arbitrary number.  1 XBT is worth 100,000 Yen right now but the right question is how much real purchasing power that represents.

You are also making my point, and what you describe would requite such social upheaval I personally hope it doesn't happen.

I feel that level of price would require the sort of social upending that would threaten the networks needed to keep BTC valuable.
5839  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: January 09, 2014, 11:50:18 PM
So a serious question/comment.

I see the number 1,000,000 tossed around frequently.  I also see many scenarios that are that fantastic seemingly considered as serious possibilities.

If this is the "quality" TA thread does it not knock down the quality a bit when the million dollar number and things like it get tossed around?

Even if it's tongue in cheek it seems to be so overly fantastic as to undermine so much of the good analysis that goes on.

A corollary: Assuming there are bulls here who seriously think $1MM/BTC is a real possibility would someone give me a good argument as to how this is possible.

I am personally a BTC bull, but I have a hard time imagining the sort of scenario where BTC is worth $1MM USD.  I feel that level of price would require the sort of social upending that would threaten the networks needed to keep BTC valuable.

5840  Economy / Gambling / Re: SealsWithClubs.eu | Largest Bitcoin Poker Site | No Banking | Fast Cashouts on: January 08, 2014, 05:02:13 PM
o i see you just have to transfer to them twice before it is confirmed makes since i guess kinda a waste of time. especially since i already sent everything i want to.

No.  They way bitcoin network confirms your transfer each time a new block is found on the blockchain. (10 minutes each average)  This is security.  This way the whole network confirms you have sent the coins as you said.

A 2 confirmation minimum is notable since it is so fast (10-30min).  Most businesses (even those on the darknet) will require 6 confirmations (roughly an hour usually).

By now your balance is at Seals.  

Come play!  
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