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5861  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: May 27, 2015, 06:22:38 PM
First:, I'm always a Dash supporter and this is not an attempt to troll.

When scrolling though coinmarketcap, Vertcoin got my attention again. 2000% last month, that is quiet a lot. So I went to their thead/site to see if there are some outstanding news. I found about "First Stealth Address - Privacy without mixer" https://vertcoin.org/wp/stealth-addresses .

Now I would be interested to hear from the technicans here how secure these Stealth Address are? Is it really the "best solution" for anonymity like promoted? Many coins claimed this before (cryptonote for example) and all of them failed against darksend. what is the advantage of darksend agains stealth addresses?

Also Stealth Address don't seem to be something "new, first". Already saw it in xcash for exmaple? do they want to jump the anon hype with extravagant words?

At least I hope you can strengthen my trust into Dash again.

To the trolls who may quote: fuck you! only honest answers please.

Honest answer:  stealth addresses, while an improvement, are only a partial solution.  They need to be combined with ring signatures for truly effective privacy, anonymity, and unlinkability.

Honest question:  exactly how and when did Cryptonote "fail against darksend?"

Was there some kind of contest, review, or expert judgement?

AFAIK, Cryptonote is the only protocol mathematically proven to provide privacy, anonymity, and unlinkability.
5862  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: May 27, 2015, 06:17:05 PM
To quote the great davout,

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The true value that Bitcoin brings to the table is not "everyone gets to write into the holy ledger", it is instead "everyone gets to benefit from sane and non-inflationary financial instutions whose sanity and honesty are ensured by the holy blockchain".

doesn't compute.  if we're stuck at only 0.001% of the population even knowing about Bitcoin b/c of 1MB, that's not a definition of "everyone".

You are confusing equality of opportunity (which is precluded by 20mb nodes' large care & feeding reqs) with equality of outcome (which is in no meaningful way encouraged by a mere 19mb increase). 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equality_of_outcome#Comparing_equalities_outcome_vs_opportunity

More than 1% of the world has already heard of Bitcoin, although only 0.001% of them >0 fucks about whether blocks are capped at 1mb or 20mb.

Until UXTO growth is contained within sustainable parameters, it is hopeless to expect anything resembling mass direct use to be driven by mere transactions per second.

People care about the price, not throughput.

The Great Schism threatens the price, which in turn retards hype/awareness/adoption/growth.

If the civil war goes hot and dueling forks ensue, there's no telling what kind of damage and FUD will be released in the wake of double-spent GavinCoins.

Mircea and his #BTC-assets brigade has already declared 20mb blocks to be an attack on Bitcoin, so some degree of fireworks/popcorn/tears/LULZ/drama are guaranteed.
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"Bitcoin?  Didn't that implode in some obscure and incomprehensible sort of self-imposed extremely technical and nerdy e-peen measuring contest?"  -  Avg. Jose, July 2016
5863  Economy / Speculation / Re: Is Bitcoin Suffering from Analysis Paralysis ? on: May 27, 2015, 05:52:49 PM
Just increase the block size already.

Just release GavinCoin as an altcoin and let it stand or fall on its own merit already.

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I struggle with wanting to stay true to Satoshi’s original vision of Bitcoin as a system that scales up to Visa-level transaction volume versus maintaining consensus with the other core committers, who obviously have a different vision for how the system should grow.

Satoshi created Bitcoin to destroy the TBTF vampire/zombie banks, not replace Visa:

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The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks
  -Genesis 0000:0080

Satoshi did not inscribe anything like this in Genesis:

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Merchant debit card swipe fees rise for small dollar purchases


To quote the great davout,

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The true value that Bitcoin brings to the table is not "everyone gets to write into the holy ledger", it is instead "everyone gets to benefit from sane and non-inflationary financial instutions whose sanity and honesty are ensured by the holy blockchain".

Bitcoin is a r3VOLution being fought for financial freedom, not a point of sale gimmick to better enable smartphone coffee purchases.
5864  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: May 27, 2015, 05:36:31 PM
People can't directly submit txns because they are too expensive due to limited space.  So coin used for spending must be held by larger institutions who handle payments internally, and periodically make blockchain transfers among themselves.  These institutions will inevitably go fractional reserve even though they claim they won't.

Congratulations, you've reinvented the gold backed banking system of the 19th century!

Nonsense.

To quote the great davout,

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The true value that Bitcoin brings to the table is not "everyone gets to write into the holy ledger", it is instead "everyone gets to benefit from sane and non-inflationary financial instutions whose sanity and honesty are ensured by the holy blockchain".
5865  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: May 27, 2015, 05:32:16 PM
Evan and team are working hard to reach the next milestones just check Dash's Github and compare it to other assets activity.

5866  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Dash is dying in front of everyone's eyes and no-one seems to care, why is that? on: May 27, 2015, 05:30:25 PM
Im not a fan of DASH, but it's quite a stretch comparing it to Paycoin.

Paycoin is the only scam/shit coin that comes close to being as widely despised as DASH:



DASH is King Shitcoin, and not even Paycoin can dispute that well-deserved title of ignobility.
5867  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: May 27, 2015, 05:20:21 PM
yes, the avg Venezuelan doesn't care about running a full node.  he cares about reliable, cheap tx's.  sad thing is, if we stay at 1MB blocks, he might never know about Bitcoin.  and he certainly will never learn about the more complex concept of digital gold.

Bitcoin isn't going to fail because of full blocks.  I find your lack of faith disturbing.  As New Liberty said, "Sell your fear elsewhere."

It may experience temporary graceful degradation, but such adversity is required by antifragile systems in order to grow stronger.

Avg. Jose doesn't yet care about full nodes because he's never heard of Bitcoin, and Bitcoin hasn't yet closed the loop w/r/t fiat exclusion.

The infrastructure needed to onboard Avg. Jose, such as Lightning/Sidechains/linear UXTO scaling, is still in the vapor R&D stage.

Coddling BTC with lavish 20mb blocks, at the first hint of a possible sign of a whiff of tx fee pressure, decreases motivation to complete and implement that infrastructure and those optimizations.

BTC hype is largely driven by its price in fiat.  Price increases, not tps capacity, are what will sustain the next waves of publicity, awareness, and adoption.

What do you think the Great Schism and associated FUD are doing/will do to the price of BTC?

Will buyers think 'oh goody, BTC's stock is about to split into a parent corporation and a GavinCoin spin-off' or, 'holy shit, wtf do you mean I have to spend on both chains or abstain from transactions until the fork is resolved?"


it's reasonable to assume if we get 10x users, we'd get 10x #full nodes, and 10x the value.  we can't do that with a technical cap.

The soft 1mb cap is protecting us from the hard (but uncertain) UXTO cap.  It was put in place for another reason, but also happens to be a serendipitous magic number.

Until UXTO optimization/pruning can keep set growth (sub)linear, Bitcoin cannot replace Western Union, much less Visa.

To quote the great davout,

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The true value that Bitcoin brings to the table is not "everyone gets to write into the holy ledger", it is instead "everyone gets to benefit from sane and non-inflationary financial instutions whose sanity and honesty are ensured by the holy blockchain".
5868  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s on: May 27, 2015, 04:09:34 PM
More and more hate on you.

So well hated that no matter what random page I pick. There you are being hated on.  Shocked

There you go again sirtrollsalot being hated on... yet again.

It's not that "simple" but we understand that it may appear so to your simple minds.

Oh, but it is that simple. A year ago they had a decent plan, but they just couldn't finish it. Now it's just a power hungry, obsolete, uncompetitive product. The fact is that HF is finished. It's over. Accept it and move on.

Your appeal to popularity is duly noted.

I prefer being correct and hated by The Village to being wrong and accepted by the groupthinkers.

You sure did spend a lot of time and effort begging for HF's "power hungry, obsolete, uncompetitive product" before your Wasp fantasy was debunked as a go-nowhere fake-charity scam.

BTW, HF's "power hungry, obsolete, uncompetitive product" is still powering Icedrill's mines, which are in turn still paying me dividends.   Cool
5869  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: May 27, 2015, 03:51:45 PM
The experiment will likely fail if it the network is NOT upgraded and the limit eventually removed. 

Nonsense.

Bitcoin does not "fail."  It gains strength when, and only when, faced with adversity.

In this case, economic and social pressure from full blocks will force ad hoc (offchain) and per se (technical) optimizations, as well as the required consensus/political courage to implement those big scary changes.

I find your lack of faith disturbing.
5870  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: May 27, 2015, 03:39:20 PM
While I don't think Bitcoin is practical for smaller micropayments right now, it will eventually be as storage and bandwidth costs continue to fall.  If Bitcoin catches on on a big scale, it may already be the case by that time.  Another way they can become more practical is if I implement client-only mode and the number of network nodes consolidates into a smaller number of professional server farms.  Whatever size micropayments you need will eventually be practical.  I think in 5 or 10 years, the bandwidth and storage will seem trivial.

Gavin (but no other core dev) and Hearn strenuously believe we are at, or fast approaching, the "eventually" of which Satoshi spoke.

To one degree or another, the rest of the core devs disagree we have arrived or will soon arrive at that eventuality.

Because the trade-offs involved are valued differently by different individuals, at this point no consensus is possible.  Thus, status quo prevails.

It's not reasonable to expect Bitcoin to jump directly from 3 tps to tipping economy nirvana.

Of course nobody claims 20mb blocks get us anywhere near Micropaymentopia either.  But 20mb blocks aren't just a can-kick band-aid stop-gap, as they threaten the diffuse/defensible/resilient systems which undergrid Bitcoin's antifragility.

2015 is earliest possible date within SN's "5 or 10 years" forecast.  What good causes have we to seize upon the most optimistic scenario and proclaim it as factually reasonable?

Shouldn't we at minimum wait until the UXTO problem is optimized to go and press the Turbo button?

Bitcoin is revolution and financial freedom, not a nifty gadget to put in retail points of sale.  If a guy in Venezuala (or Florida) can't be his own private bank by running a full node over TOR on a slow 5mb DSL line, this experiment has failed.

The experiment will likely fail if it the network is NOT upgraded and the limit eventually removed.  The limit has already been reached anyway.

Running a full client is ALREADY too resource-intensive for average Joe.  The blockchain.info model is better suited for average Joe.  That model has proven to solve the problem of trust in an environment where trust has been violated a majority of the time.  Average Joe will be his own bank with a simple web interface where he has full control over his keys. 

Who mentioned "average Joe?"  Not me. 

But I disagree that Average Joe cannot run a full node with a laptop, some extra RAM, and an average DSL.  Average Joe is very clever when his life savings is at stake, and his pocket is being picked by price inflation and ZIRP/NIRP.

Do you consider LukeJr an "average Joe?"  I don't.  If LukeJr can't run a full 20mb node in Florida, just imagine how many other lesser beings would be excluded.

The struggling Argentinian/Venezuelan/Cypriot/Ukrainian/Syrian is closer to "average Joe" but they find themselves in extraordinary (IE non-average) economic and political circumstances, which require them to run full nodes as a lifeline instead of a mere hobby.
5871  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s on: May 27, 2015, 02:59:37 PM
Read the room. You are well hated.

Your appeal to popularity is duly noted.

I prefer being correct and hated by The Village to being wrong and accepted by the groupthinkers.
5872  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Dash is dying in front of everyone's eyes and no-one seems to care, why is that? on: May 27, 2015, 02:47:22 PM
Seems like just one gimmick after another to keep the hype up.  I read on their thread that they are planning on taking even more block rewards away from the miners to fund development.  Between what goes to the few people running masternodes and then whatever goes towards a development fund what is the incentive to even mine the coin.

I said a long time ago that masternodes were just a gimmick to use to put coins in the hands of a few while taking them away from miners.  It worked so good that a plethora of new scam coins have been launching nearly every day using masternodes just for that  purpose.  Masternodes have always been and always will be a centralized solution.  In DASH's case the distribution of masternodes is pathetic with one entity controlling a huge percentage and a few others controlling a majority of the rest.  Yet they still claim that DASH is decentralized.  The only people they are convincing is themselves.

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Supernodes are a great idea for gnutella, where all that is at stake is how fast you get the latest Game of Thrones FOSS Linux distro.

Supernodes are not a great idea for anything involving finance, as they are exactly the kind of third parties Szatoshi warned us about.

As he explained, using TTPs indicates lazy developers who want to foist their responsibility for designing elegant/secure solutions off onto external entities.
5873  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s on: May 27, 2015, 02:39:17 PM
Why is everyone pointing towards his personal projects (not business) when he is pointing out some obvious facts? What do these have in common? Should he not point out the obvious just because he had an unsuccessful personal project?

As he admits in the post after yours, Bitchnellski begged HF (among others) for free chips.

That is 100% on-topic, because it explains his butthurt toward the company.
5874  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: May 27, 2015, 02:18:29 PM
Forget them, the place we need to be is BTC-E.  Who is up for a trip to Bulgaria and fun with Putin's dark-glasses wearing buddies?   Cool

We should start a donation campaign for this. Who should we send? RP and David Hasselhof?

Seriously speaking, a donation address to cover particular development or marketing issues like this would be worth a try. Is MEW doing anything in that direction?

My understanding is marketing efforts are being intentionally limited to small/personal meetings/outreach, until the official GUI is more(ish) than less(ish) ready(ish).
5875  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: May 27, 2015, 02:13:06 PM
last time I've checked Satoshi himself explicitly state that max block size limit was a temporary band aid to avoid a certain type DoS attack to the bitcoin network, just for the record.

For the record, I've never disputed the origin of the 1mb max block size, only the desirability of increasing it twenty fold before we know what trade-offs are entailed in the forms of optimization pressure, miner/pool/fee incentives, centralization, UXTO bloat, etc.

I'd wager the majority of the core devs, who at this time also oppose 20mb blocks, are likewise completely aware of the 1mb cap's origin.  I guess it's news to you, so you think nobody else knew either and you need to tell us all the good news.

Please note Satoshi chose to include in the blockchain a newspaper quote from an article about bailouts for TBTF banks, instead of one from an article about excessive bank, ATM, or credit card fees. 

Bitcoin is revolution and financial freedom, not a nifty gadget to put in retail points of sale.  If a guy in Venezuala (or Florida) can't be his own private bank by running a full node over TOR on a slow 5mb DSL line, this experiment has failed.

Satoshi did not create Bitcoin because he was mad about the 50 cent credit/debit surcharge on his iced Americano, and you can't kill/obsolete the BIS with some stupid VC micropayment daydream internet-of-bullshit Visa-wannabe transaction network.

And there is this:

The nature of Bitcoin is such that once version 0.1 was released, the core design was set in stone for the rest of its lifetime.

If we subsidize blockchain bloat, we'll get more of it.

That most precious resource should be optimized, not diluted.

The sooner you Monopolist Maximalists get over the fact that GavinCoin doesn't have the required 80% consensus, the better.

The max doesn't have to stay 1mb forever, but now is not the time to potentially undermine the diffuse/defensible/resilient nature that provides BTC's antifragilty.
5876  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s on: May 27, 2015, 01:42:04 PM
Bicknellski

Trust: -7: -3 / +1
Warning: Trade with extreme caution!


Nice trust rating bro.

How many ASIC companies besides Hashfast did you beg for free chips before your stupid Wasp pipe dream officially failed?
5877  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Speculate! Which altcoin will -eventually- reach parity with BTC? on: May 27, 2015, 01:03:58 PM
Monero Added

But I can't change my vote!   Cry
5878  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [BBR] Boolberry: Privacy and Security - Guaranteed[Bittrex/Poloniex]GPU Released on: May 27, 2015, 12:56:46 PM
BBR only need to change the name

Here we go...

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5879  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: May 27, 2015, 12:55:30 PM
I think it's high time that btc-e dropped all those nonsense dinosaur coins and replace them with XMR. It just makes sense.

The longer they take to add Monero while keeping these shitcoin, worse are their perceived image overall IMO, Cryptsy e.g. has 0 trust from me now.

These exchanges might not have the technical ability to add XMR. When Mintpal upgraded to V2.0, most bitcoin clone coins were stolen by the owner, but not the XMR as he did not figure out a way to do that.

For cryptsy this can be debunked, since the devs offered help with integrating.

...and KoziTwo's payment gateway has been available for some time.

CrapSea is welcome to shun Monero for as long as they please.  That place is so scamcoin friendly (#1 Darkcoin volume and in bed with GAW/Paycoin) it would make XMR look bad to be seen there.

Forget them, the place we need to be is BTC-E.  Who is up for a trip to Bulgaria and fun with Putin's dark-glasses wearing buddies?   Cool
5880  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: May 27, 2015, 12:47:51 PM
Angry

who the frell just dumped 6k Dash and made the dash/btc price take a shit?

this happened on Cryptsy, by the way.

some instamine sold to fund the circle jerk event.

LOL, ^this^

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"Anonymous payments: DASH or Bitcoin+Mixers?"

Neither, because both are equally shitty/hopeless forms of off-chain obfuscation.
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