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5861  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 25, 2014, 08:53:30 PM
Great to see the thread default attitude towards women remains the same*



*let's not have another debate about whether women exist on the internet, we're here...deal with it.



Please explain how it's sexist.  Because after growing up with a feminist mother and sister, I still don't get it.  It may be in questionable taste to some people, but really is it sexist.  Is it really true, that by posting the photo, and making a comment about her body really sexist?  Does it show a disrespect towards women...?   Personally I don't think it does.

Would it be homophobic, to post a photo of an attractive gay guy?  







Wether it fits your idea of sexist is almost beside the point. It creates an atmosphere that is less than inviting to women and where they feel  left out. If %70 of the posts where pics of bulges and gifs of flapping penises I know I would feel quite left out.

PS. This is my opinion on the matter. Howeve, I´m not very good at being a feminist so you might catch me saying something stupid in other posts.
5862  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 25, 2014, 08:48:32 PM

crazy to repatriate gold? lmao lampchop i know you are a troll but you cant possibly question what would be the common sens in such financially troubled times... especially when the rest of the world is doing so. US first. Roll Eyes

I don't question the sanity of the Le Pen clan, I'm straight-up telling you they're sick fucks.  The father, the daughter, and the National Front.  Unholy frickin' trinity.

Careful Lambchops, you are starting to make some sense. We don´t know how to treat you now.
5863  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Wait.... what's wrong with "Obamacare"? on: November 24, 2014, 11:56:05 PM
Buying at the exchange saved me about $2400 last year. I'm going to try for an even better deal this sign-up period.

That is a substantial amount! Do you get the impression that the negativity around "Obamacare" is mostly overblown or do you think that your result is different from what most might experience?
I really don't know? Among a few people I talked to at work, they all saved some. But lucky me, I saved the most. However I don't know how shitty my old plan was. At least at the exchange you can see all the options at once and compare them. It was certainly the first time in many years that I paid less than the previous year. 

Did you pay less for the same coverage or less for a worse coverage?

In a few years the coverage is going to go down and the prices are going to go up

If these exchanges really lead to more competition then both hospitals and insurance companies will have to work hard to get their business model more efficient in order to compete. That will result in lower costs and lower prices.
5864  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 24, 2014, 10:58:54 PM

Maybe I have misunderstood NotLambchop. It is in the name! He has nothing to do with lambs.

   Horse + X = Hinny

He is X!

5865  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 24, 2014, 10:41:21 PM
To be honest hope it falls to $50 then I can buy 20 for a Grand,just mine them save them and in a year check the price.

If it falls to $50 it will not stop just because you bought in. But if you buy in now you might come along for the ride up to $850, $1400, $3500.
5866  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Wait.... what's wrong with "Obamacare"? on: November 24, 2014, 10:37:55 PM

America, You’ve Been Grubered!


The most important effect of the revelations of the Administration’s flunkies’ history of cheesy lies about Obamacare is that liberals must now answer one threshold question before discussing the substance of any new socialist scheme:

Why should we trust anything liberals say about anything?
......
Because they say we will get free stuff, and free stuff is pretty cool?

Yeah, it's better to trust those guys who sent you to war to find Saddams nukes.
5867  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 24, 2014, 08:42:22 PM
I don´t know if anyone here cares, but pool distribution looks a lot healthier now than it did a month ago.


https://blockchain.info/pools?timespan=24hrs



Unless "unknown" is actually just ghash or dicussfish to hide their true hashing power?

"unknown" has declined too. It´s all the smaller pools that have grown.
5868  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Wait.... what's wrong with "Obamacare"? on: November 24, 2014, 07:57:08 PM
Buying at the exchange saved me about $2400 last year. I'm going to try for an even better deal this sign-up period.

That is a substantial amount! Do you get the impression that the negativity around "Obamacare" is mostly overblown or do you think that your result is different from what most might experience?
5869  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Wait.... what's wrong with "Obamacare"? on: November 24, 2014, 07:50:15 PM
I am not going to nitpick too much, but I would like to suggest regarding [1]: You falsely assume that everyone is behaving rationally when anyone who has lived a little knows that people are a bit more complex than that.
And regarding [2]: I hate to break it to you but that is kind of the point of a state. The state is the monopoly of violence within a given geographical area.  Its role is to force through its decisions, that is why it is so important that the people take part in the democratic processes of the state so that the state doesn´t morph into a tyrannical entity. But the idea that simply forcing the unwilling is in itself tyrannical is inconsistent with the idea of a state. That does not mean that everything the democratic compact agrees to can´t be tyrannical. But if you look at the consequences of not being covered by health insurance, the fine for not buying health insurance, and the benefits of having sufficient coverage, you would be hard pressed to find this particular policy tyrannical.

Thanks for your intelligent response. Usually when people disagree, it goes straight to name calling and hyperbole. Then someone invokes Godwin.  Wink

I'm not necessarily assuming everyone is not behaving rationally, but I am assuming that people have the right to decide things for themselves. If your sole basis for a conclusion of "irrationality" is that someone elects not to have health insurance, I dispute that. You don't have enough information about specific people to make a general conclusion with that being the sole factor. But irrationality is not relevant to my point. If we take as given that someone not buying health insurance is irrational, they should be free to be irrational. The list of who gets to decide what is best for an individual should read like this: 1) The individual; 2) anybody else. Obviously, #2 is a distant, distant entry.

As for the purpose of the state, I don't disagree that that's how the state operates. The state is a monopoly on force, and the adjudicator of when force used by others is inappropriate. But how the state operates now doesn't mean it's optimal. And I agree that forcing the unwilling is inconsistent with the concept of a state, but that doesn't mean that forcing the unwilling isn't tyranny. [1] Using force on the unwilling is literally the definition of tyranny, because what is deemed "oppressive" is subjective. No government thinks it's tyrannical! Tyranny is always defined by the people subject to the state's rule, and in every case of tyranny ever charged, the people supplying the charge of tyranny had only one thing in common: they objected to the state's use of force and they were unwilling.

That's not to say I am an anarchist. I believe the state is necessary. But the state's role is not to make individual decisions for people, as is being done with requiring everyone to have health insurance. It's to protect everyone's natural rights: [2] life, liberty, and property they justly derive. Anything more than this is when the power of the state corrupts the individuals wielding it to believe they have the moral authority to force their will upon the unwilling. I do not accept this conclusion.

And thank you as well for your civil responses! It is nice when someone actually gives what one writes some thought. I am not going to offer any real counter argument other than identify a couple of issues that may lead to the basis of our disagreement. [1] In order to make such a claim you need to view the world in far more relativistic terms than I am willing to concede. [2] I believe it is insufficient to view this particular right as a purely negative right. It needs to be a positive right as well, ie. if your life is at risk the state/society should be obligated to help you.
5870  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 24, 2014, 07:24:52 PM
I don´t know if anyone here cares, but pool distribution looks a lot healthier now than it did a month ago.


https://blockchain.info/pools?timespan=24hrs
5871  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 24, 2014, 04:26:39 AM
I thought I saw a wall.... I did! I did see a wall!
5872  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Wait.... what's wrong with "Obamacare"? on: November 24, 2014, 01:56:43 AM
Have the ends, with regard to a one-payer healthcare system in other countries, justified the means to enforce it?

I wouldn't make the ridiculous claim that the healthcare market in the US is a free market approach, but definitely a crony capitalist approach. It's extremely disorganized (as a result of intimidatingly-thick pricing books?), and as a result, nearly a quarter of health expenditure ends up in administrative fees, not too dissimilar from many US-based charities. Healthcare for those in between Medicaid coverage and genuinely good private insurance is awful, the worst among high-GDP industrialized nations (even though we have excellent training of medical professionals, some of the greatest medical innovation, and unmatched ability to handle a large number of people needing major, complicated operations). Canada has superior healthcare ratings while spending ~half as much on the same operations. Consumers in the US can't get good cost estimates on six-figure operations nor have reasonable ability to compare costs prior to any medical procedure. An American, for example, probably wouldn't know a simple allergy prick test costs $hundreds, $thousands or $tens of thousands depending on where it's done, and how would they?

Can free market healthcare resolve these issues? Are there any examples of a post-industrial country with free market healthcare?

There is a deeper problem here. One of the reasons just about every other country other than the US has come to the conclusion that the state ....
....can force the collection of a vast treasure under the name of providing medical care and and then split it up between friends and cronys and wind up giving just enough to the people so that they don't complain too loudly.

Yeez man! Chillax a bit! Go watch a movie. I would suggest Garden State or Little Miss Sunshine, that should mellow you out.
5873  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 24, 2014, 01:47:24 AM
So nobody was right in the poll.

It didn't reach 375 but it wasn't <370.

We have been on page 10k for 12 hours now..   the price will be > $400 at some point on 10k Cheesy

Ahhhh!!! That´s why they do it! If you can´t win, cheat!
5874  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 24, 2014, 01:41:37 AM
I have a screenshot now of myself as the first poster on 10k, no one can take that away from me.
5875  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 24, 2014, 01:37:00 AM
Ok, Ill take the plunge

THIS IS GENTLEMEN!!!
5876  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 24, 2014, 01:34:26 AM
I am not Satoshi.

I know a guy who owns a Suzuki
5877  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 24, 2014, 01:01:01 AM
price is not moving until after the auction

Very probable

Someone should tell the price, we´re up over 5% today

impressing.

Yes it is
5878  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 24, 2014, 12:52:26 AM
price is not moving until after the auction

Very probable

Someone should tell the price, we´re up over 5% today
5879  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 24, 2014, 12:24:00 AM
The original 10k is now 9970

It's The Blitz all over again
5880  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Wait.... what's wrong with "Obamacare"? on: November 24, 2014, 12:08:05 AM
Have the ends, with regard to a one-payer healthcare system in other countries, justified the means to enforce it?

I wouldn't make the ridiculous claim that the healthcare market in the US is a free market approach, but definitely a crony capitalist approach. It's extremely disorganized (as a result of intimidatingly-thick pricing books?), and as a result, nearly a quarter of health expenditure ends up in administrative fees, not too dissimilar from many US-based charities. Healthcare for those in between Medicaid coverage and genuinely good private insurance is awful, the worst among high-GDP industrialized nations (even though we have excellent training of medical professionals, some of the greatest medical innovation, and unmatched ability to handle a large number of people needing major, complicated operations). Canada has superior healthcare ratings while spending ~half as much on the same operations. Consumers in the US can't get good cost estimates on six-figure operations nor have reasonable ability to compare costs prior to any medical procedure. An American, for example, probably wouldn't know a simple allergy prick test costs $hundreds, $thousands or $tens of thousands depending on where it's done, and how would they?

Can free market healthcare resolve these issues? Are there any examples of a post-industrial country with free market healthcare?

There is a deeper problem here. One of the reasons just about every other country other than the US has come to the conclusion that the state must take responsibility to make sure everybody has access to affordable health care is that the demand is not price sensitive. Therefore the idea of a free market within this sector is not very realistic. If you need an operation or some medicine to keep an arm, a leg, or even your life, you will pay whatever it takes. If your child is seriously injured or ill you are not going to take it to the vet and put it to sleep because you can't afford to treat the child. In that sense these american drug dealers really are like drug dealers, and it's not a pretty sight.
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