I did see a couple of the ICO campaigns said that they ended early because it wasn't as effective as they had hoped. That may be partly as the product they were promoting wasn't that interesting, but also I think it has a lot to do with the content of the posts. The majority of traffic that comes to the forum isn't from forum members, it comes from search engines. If people are posting about things people are searching for then Google will give this site a very high ranking. If people are just posting meaningless nonsense then it isn't going to show up in searches. The more selective, higher paying, longer running campaigns seem to be quite happy continuing.

Welcome to the world of random numbers. It's a provably fair game so you can read up on that and then verify your rolls. Luck just comes all good or all bad sometimes and the human mind tries to make order where there is none. Like others already said the house edge is lower at specialist dice and casino sites so you will be a little more like to lose here. Freebitco.in gives away a lot more and that is financed through the house edge so you trade one for the other.

There aren't any posts here about lottery wins because that is not what this thread is for. Do some searching and you will find that some lottery winners have posted elsewhere. If you have a little suspicion about the lottery then I have a far greater suspicion that you didn't read or understand the provably fair link on the lottery page.

The only advantage I can find in Bittrex is a wider selection of altcoins, that's the only reason I have an account there. Bitfinex platform is far superior and there is no requirement to verify for most customers. For trading BTCUSD as I do mostly it also has the highest volume. Liquidity and costs are the two most important things for a trader to consider.
In the crypto world, you also have to consider how safe your funds are. There are plenty of accusations against all the exchanges but I feel reasonably comfortable with either of these.

To be fair for full disclosure I bought all my BTC from $20-$200 and have already cashed out a nice profit so it is easy for me to be relaxed. If the price goes to zero I will have only missed an opportunity to make more rather than having lost something I invested. I wish I could be this relaxed when I'm trading fiat markets, crypto does a weird thing to me where I'm able to disassociate it from money.

@ TryNinja & PVminer, Thanks for your answers, I think I understand it much more clearly now.


That's interesting, so there isn't really any reason for this not to get more widely adopted then.

I don't expect the price to go down but I'll be ready to short it if it tells me it wants to go down. After watching the order flow just after 01:00 GMT today I'm now looking for a pullback to get long as I no longer hold out hope of getting any in the 6,000-6,500 range I was watching. You see it the other way and that's fine with me, I'm not here to persuade you to change your view, I'm just saying how I see it.
As for guessing what everyone else is doing, it's just that, guessing by what I see on the tape. That can change very quickly, people change their minds all the time.

Thank you very much for the information, you saved me a lot of time searching for this stuff. I have read through some of the other thread you linked to as well but I just want to make sure I have understood correctly.

I've created a new Segwit wallet which has the addresses starting bc1. Am I correct in thinking that any Electrum wallet that is version 3 can send a transaction to these addresses but no other wallet can?
Secondly, (this is the bit I'm more unsure about) I can send from that wallet to all other addresses as the transaction is processed on the blockchain not by the receiving wallet?

I can't be exact as I wasn't watching at the precise time of the fork but as nobody else has answered you I'll try and help. I logged in a couple of hours after the fork and the new coin was already available. My understanding is that a snapshot of all balances is done at the exact time the fork block is mined and then it just takes a little while for the database to be updated with each new balance, so yes as I understand it you can close out any position immediately after block 494,784 is confirmed.

As I told someone else on the last page:


Several people have told me that the best way to get a response from Bitfinex is to hassle them on Reddit.


This is related to the discussion I was having above with deisik about BTC lending rates going up. We have different views but I get the feeling that people are mostly going flat and waiting so they have funds ready to react if the fork does impact the price.

This thread only lists campaigns that pay their participants in Bitcoin. There are a lot of campaigns for ICOs that payout in the tokens they are trying to launch. Some of these only give out the tokens if they reach a certain goal of raising money in the ICO and even if they pay the tokens there is no guarantee that will worth anything. I think these campaign threads probably hide out somewhere over in the altcoin section of the forum rather than here in the Bitcoin section.

If you have a number of active referrals then 0.001BTC a week is easily achieved without ever risking anything on the multiply game. I would also like to add that I have made a withdrawal very recently with no issues and I have been with freebitco.in since it started and never had a problem withdrawing. So I would treat the claims above with a lot of scepticism.

That is what makes a market, two traders looking at the same thing and interpreting it the to mean the opposite. As I said earlier the BTC I have lent out is coin I intend to keep come what may, so if it turns out I'm wrong it doesn't really change the outcome here. I have separate funds that I trade with but I'm just not feeling anything that makes me want to take a short right now. We'll see how it develops over the next 9 or 10 days.

Yes, we're pretty much on the same page. I'm just not seeing much shorting going on so I think it's mainly lack of supply rather than demand. So rather than thinking that they expect the price to tank, I think they just don't want to be lent out as a precaution on the slight chance that it does, it could take 2 days to get your coins back to be able to react. It's a subtle difference I know but it makes me feel more bullish at the moment.

I already said that it most likely will not work. Of course it can be considered as criminal, bitcoin has value and is, therefore, an asset irrespective of any "official institution" definition. Theft of an asset is a crime in any country. The problem is only that the police will lack any means to investigate and the perpetrator will be almost impossible to track down and probably out of jurisdiction. The OP did not say where they are but if it is the US then as Polinex is registered there the chances of getting Polinex to do something are slightly improved if the police could be persuaded to approach them.

It's a portmanteau of scalping and delicious. Markets that move like BTCUSD are a paradise for scalpers but that's tough to do on the exchanges we have. I'm going to be a very happy trader if/when I can trade BTC futures on huge leverage and low fees using TT.


I know what you mean, that's exactly what I was thinking going into the last forks, but the more I think about it I'm sure a lot of traders are just moving their funds into their trading accounts ready to sell if the price goes down. The actual fall from the highs is very small right now so I don't think there is much shorting going on. It's just a theory I'm having at the moment.

If you use blocktrail.com rather than blockchain.info they have a mentions tab for each address where it shows you if the address shows up in an internet search.

Of the 3 addresses you listed, the first was mentioned in this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=878727.msg21694998#msg21694998 in another scam. The other two seem to be linked to Polinex.

You could try and contact Polinex support but I wouldn't hold out much hope of a response. You could also contact your local police but the chances of them even understanding your problem let alone being able to help are again very small.

In the end we are all responsible for taking care of the security of our own Bitcoins.

Can you post the transaction id so we can find it on the blockchain?

Unless the fee is really low it should confirm soon as the mempool is clearing out now. If not you can also try these free accelerators if the transaction is less than 500 bytes.

https://pool.viabtc.com/tools/txaccelerator/
http://confirmtx.com/

In future always check the mempool using https://bitcoinfees.earn.com/ before you send and if possible use a replacement fee opt-in if you can.

Oops yes a typo. I have gone back and corrected it. Thanks.

Yes, your existing coins will exist on both chains after the fork so you will have equal amounts of Bitcoin and the new Segwit2x coin. Having a segwit address starting with 3 is irrelevant to the fork, the whole blockchain will be duplicated. Having a segwit address would just allow you to send a segwit transaction from that address.
The only thing you need to concern yourself with is the actual process of splitting off the coins after the fork as the lack of replay protection complicates this a bit. Do a bit of research into this before attempting to do it.

I might be proved completely wrong but I'm personally not concerned about the fork having an adverse effect on BTC price. I understand there are risks but my assessment is that it one that I'm willing to take so I'm just leaving my BTC lent out. The BTC I have lent out is for the hodl, I'm not selling anytime soon. The interest rates are already starting to increase as I think many are taking them out of lending so I'm just benefiting from that.


The CME announcement last week could have a huge impact, in fact, I'm convinced it has far more to do with breaking $7k than the fork does. I'm hoping they get the necessary regulatory approval because I'm itching to day trade BTC futures on a real trading platform. It will be scalplicious.