It took me 2 weeks from hearing about bitcoin to owning it.
2 months for me... one to research it thoroughly to find out it wasn't a scam, and another to figure out how to actually obtain some, watching helplessly as the price went from $15 to over $60. Yeah, 2 months is about average to thoroughly research Bitcoin. In fact, I'm still learning tidbits here and there. I remember calling Gavin and theymos at least a couple of times to ask questions. Then wasting another month throwing out low ball bids on OTC that were laughable (embarrassingly low). Finally I said fuck it and plowed into mtgox.
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what happened to gold in the last hours ?
When traderCJ speaks, ____.
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here's your golden opportunity to buy Bitcoin.
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well, i've been quite vocal about not liking the Bitcoin "fix" being planned by Second Market. maybe routing around NY serves a purpose; avoid that debacle.
I'm not sure why you have such a problem with this. Is it perhaps all the negative connotations with the word 'fix'? Perhaps there is another word that could be used for a periodic agreed trading price. There will be a whole group of people who want to hold and (very occasionally) buy/sell bitcoin. The ones that don't want to or can't use exchanges directly and don't want to or can't be bothered with storage. They will be happy to pay their 1% for someone to manage all that and even insure it already. Whatever you think of that, it will be a legitimate service. But that service will not be able to offer in/out, buy/sell to it's customers at what we would call "market". It simply can't work in practice: the price would change between the client's order and it's execution and that would freak out the client. No one needs or can handle the grief of every order being disputed and/or delayed or the liabilities that might follow. So you have a daily (or twice daily) point where you try and work out a fair price and use that as the bench mark for the queued trades. You can't use a historical price because you would be played, so it has to be the next price point. Similarly, you can't just use a given exchange at a known time because that too would be easily played. So you use a basket of prices including major exchanges and major OTC brokers and make that your price point. You (perhaps mistakenly) call it the "fix". Is it open to collusion? Obviously. But if done regularly or too brazenly then the client won't play any more and you'll be out of business. On average it'll probably be fair enough because of the tension between those that want a high price and a low price. Clients using this kind of fund don't really expect the last pip of value, they want expose and ease while they get on with the rest of their lives. The market would handsomely reward your improved system... You mean we've never seen price collusions on closed exchanges like this before? The way Barry's described the way it will work is a closed bidding.process amongst only banks. We hear report after report in the news about how banks have colluded numerous times in similar situations.
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Every time I see this thread and then watch BTC tank 10%+ in 2 or 3 days makes me laugh. I have over 30oz of gold coins and would buy 30 more before I buy 5 BTC. I question how many people here own 1/10th of that amount of BTC Gold has been up $15 the last weeks. And good ol bitcoin, tanking again, no surprises there. But oh yah, it will be $1500 again by January. Thats a good one. Maybe more like $150 per BTC there you experts. LOLZ People here make me everytime i see ppl like you enter this thread and scream buy gold, i laugh. b/c i think about how i sold out all my silver starting @ 48 and gold @ 1750 to then turn around and start plowing that into BTC starting @ 1.60. so there. edit: it wasn't a linear sequential sell then buy process, so don't go back and line up prices with dates as they won't match up. it was a conscious decision made to execute a transitional strategy at opportune times starting in March 2011 when i finally wrapped my head around Bitcoin after 2 mo of non-stop research starting in Jan 2011. i have the advantage of having lived and breathed pretty much the entire life history of this ongoing up and down transition which gives me some perspective. sure i could start being very wrong, but i don't think so.
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Darn, that wasn't an endorsement by him.
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sentiment feels pretty washed out.
It's been weeks and weeks of selling. When will it finally end? I think soon.
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Everyone is selling and no one wants bitcoin! It isn't just Ethereum, there are also stellar and a bunch of other coins that developers raised via IPO need cashing out! Bitcoin game over ! Crashing to $400 ! Drop your hope and sell now ! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737019.0haha. you missed an "i" in your name, faillling.
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sentiment feels pretty washed out.
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Overstock starting to look interesting as an investment:
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and here you've been told Bitcoin was volatile. what'd that take, like 12 min from top to bottom? and during after hours when MOST traders don't have access to markets. btw, this shit happens ALL THE TIME: here's a close up. 18.13 to 16.2 in that first red down candle on hardly any volume; within seconds of the announcement. and despite an earnings beat as indicated in yellow. translation: impossible to trade with any rationality, let alone impossible to trade in after hours, period. this is how the pricks on Wall St make money; big players whipsawing small investors according to their whims:
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and here you've been told Bitcoin was volatile. what'd that take, like 12 min from top to bottom? and during after hours when MOST traders don't have access to markets. btw, this shit happens ALL THE TIME:
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silver continuing to be destroyed by Bitcoin. gold will follow: the new silver price fix algo will be implemented on friday. in the past two weeks there have been massive efforts to hold the price below $20. the annual physical silver market, which used to be cutely known as supply and demand is around $22b if I remember correctly. the annual paper market is $1.6T according to the FT. why any commodity needs to be 'fixed' in a free market is yet another reminder of just how pathetic and irrelevant markets are. but I guess they employ a lot of very brainy people who provide useless and irrelevnt charts and stats and who otherwise couldn't find work. if my flight arrives safely in shanghai then I will watch the silver action on Friday with keen interest. I still think silver has one last gasp left in it. well, i've been quite vocal about not liking the Bitcoin "fix" being planned by Second Market. maybe routing around NY serves a purpose; avoid that debacle.
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despite the BTC dump today, LTC continues to do even worse. this is good and serves a purpose, imo, as we need a final flush for the alts:
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silver continuing to be destroyed by Bitcoin. gold will follow:
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