The game just works with IDs and you can load the data pack you like the most then.

In the beta phase we are now, you are responsible yourself for getting a club to manage - you just need 5%+ in club shares and get voted in by the shareholders

Hey Serie A fans As expected I finished last (if we discount inactive tokeweed), but due to one bright moment was able to cash a prize, great

Gratz to morvillz7z, big_daddy and hahay, well done. And thanks to Trofo for organizing all this (also the LaLiga one, where I finished last as well !).

Here is my BTC address: 1QJ4tsAzNJyaeSMMikW6ng9Eotnqd7PgdF

I think this whole discussion is really pathetic. It's not like Italy won because that guy maybe took some drugs, no, they had a really good song, great stage performance and a very charismatic band leader. This is just bad sportsmanship imo

I read on Wikipedia, that San Marino also filed a complaint, because there were some issues with the "rotating platform" during performance for jury

The results for SF1/2 are now available as well and lots of other stats:

SF1:

1) Malta
2) Ukraine
3) Russia

SF2:

1) Switzerland
2) Iceland
3) Bulgaria

Croatia missed the Final by just 5 points (Norway 115 points, Croatia 110), I think we all lost on that.

Sent, kein Problem mon ami

I would have a lot of ideas for contests, but as you anticipated, it's probably not worth it with how this section of the forum unfortunately is. Just save those BTC or invest in some good bets

Nah, contest is contest and if only two users enter, that is not your problem. So, vite vite, give me BTC address - maybe you can do contest with it next year

And gratz for your bets.

The final result for the competition:



Gratz @Saint-loup, please provide me a BTC address to send the prize to.

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Happy for Italy My bets weren't that good I think

Yep, totally agree I find it a bit odd that the quality doesn't seem to improve (read: it actually regresses) though, because it's a pretty big event with a huge audience, but the countries don't seem to bother with putting huge effort into this. For my country they are even happy to find someone who is willing to go there The "bigger" artists never bother to go to ESC, so it's always someone who nobody knows even here.

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I added some bets:

Portugal to win jury vote @20
Portugal Top10 @2.06
Best Balkan -> Serbia @4.5 (Greece, Albania, Bulgaria are in the mix too, with Bulgaria being the fav, but those views for serbian entry have been really huge all the time, so there must be something going on).
Serbia Top10 @6
Ukraine Top4 @1.99

It's really amazing how damn good these markets are priced, when you consider that there is some bit (or a lot) of randomness in it. In Betfair you couldn't even bet on Switzerland/Bulgaria to qualify, there were no odds to bet on (I just layed 1.01 which people were asking for).

At least we got some nice insights for the final. Ukraine will do very well I think; I didn't like that "song" in the beginning, but the more I hear it plus the stage performance, the more I like it. Portugal looks like some masterpiece as well, which will get loads of jury votings. Finland went from 160 -> 36 in Betfair, so my 40 looks kind of good again. Still don't think they will win, but it's the only rock-song and there is an audience for that among the ESC fans. After their performance Linkin Park was even trending on Twitter

Didn't like the odds, but played Iceland, Switzerland, Bulgaria, Finland, Greece, San Marino, Portugal NOT to qualify. But nothing I would recommend to follow, otoh if one of them fails to qualify, it's already profit

The winners of the semifinals will only get announced after the final, to keep the tension high. If we knew the SF results already before the final, the final itself would probably be pretty boring (more boring than it is anyway already^^).

Is that for Top3 ? Then those are nice odds You can get Belgium @700 and Russia @80 to win^^

My bets for SF1:

Lithuania not to qualify @34
The song this year is way weaker than last years, though I think it's still ok, because it's pretty unique. But 1.03 to qualify is way too low imo, there is a lot of bias from last year in these odds and I do see some value here for Lithuania failing to qualify.

Slovenia not to qualify @1.16
i still think the voice doesn't fit the appearance of this lady. Slovenia is often struggling to reach the final and watching the second rehearsal, this is just not good enough for the final.

Sweden to qualify @1.22
Sweden only failed to qualify once (in 2010) and their entries are usually top-notch and well produced. It's the same this year and although I don't like that song, it's basically a lock for me to reach the final.

Croatia to qualify @1.36
Not sure, if this has any value, but the song is quite catchy. Croatia often struggles to qualify, so if the market puts them at 1.36 to qualify, I'll trust that

Thought about laying Russia to qualify as well, but they generally qualify, so passed on that. And would love to lay Ukraine to qualify, but that on stage performance is just too crazy, people will love it I think

This can be any time you want until the final starts on Saturday.


And which ones ?

My Finland bet is looking pathetic, doesn't even make sense to hedge it now But a least Cyprus Top10 @2.80 is looking like good value, currently trading around 1.35.

Did any of you place some bets ? There is lots of action in markets and I regret not jumping on Italy earlier, they are now top favourite to win ESC, with France being a close second.


Yep, the Big5 generally have a harder time in ESC, which I think is because they get lots of attention all the time anyway, so in ESC it's time to shine for the smaller countries and people want some "outsider country" to win. But you now have two Big5 countries leading the pack, which tells something, because withthout the handicap of being a Big5 country, we would probably see ITA/FRA at even lower odds and all the rest being @20+.


Well observed

That outfit from the Swiss dude also made me laugh hard

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I will be doing a little competition here in this thread. Eligible are all users who have posted in this thread at least once until now and are not nick-named BitcoinAccepted, which is:

@swogerino
@LTU_btc
@alegotardo
@lebregone
@fiulpro
@Saint-loup
@kryptqnick
@FatFork
@madnessteat
@aesma
@TheNineClub
@STT
@TopTort777
@StartupAnalyst
@Stalker22
@Cling18
@bbc.reporter
@Goodluckmate.com
@Cryptmuster
@mediaBuzz

Entering this competition is pretty easy, just post your Top15 for the final here in this thread.

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If that country is in Top15, you will get 1 point, if you put it on the correct place, you will get 3 points. Most points win 0.0015 BTC, which I will send to the winners wallet.

In case of a tie, the user who posted first, will win. Editing your post is not allowed and will disqualify you. Good luck

Ja, bin freiwillig gegangen Hatte schon im Februar "gekündigt", aber DS wollte mich gerne behalten, also hab ichs nochmal bisschen versucht, aber das kam schon einer Karteileiche gleich leider

Die Gründe:

a) Heruntersetzen der Bezahlung - hier bin ich ganz ehrlich. Was man Ende letzten Jahres pro Post bekommen hat war definitiv zu hoch und mir war es auch unangenehm so viel für einen Post zu bekommen. Nun bekommt man $6 pro Post*, was immer noch super ist, aber für mich persönlich lohnt sich das Kosten-Nutzen-mäßig nicht, denn...

b) ich gebe mir bei meinen Beiträgen grundsätzlich schon viel Mühe und poste nicht nur, um auf meine 50 Posts zu kommen wie manch andere in der Kampagne (auch jemand aus dem DACH-Bereich). Wenn ich z.B. 10 Posts/Woche mache, dann kostet mich das vielleicht 20h - ist ja nicht nur das Schreiben, sondern die generelle Forumsaktivität, besteht ja auch aus Lesen, sich informieren, nachdenken etc. - und das lohnt sich dann für micht. Man könnte es auch anders machen und einfach drauf losposten (sp?), aber das bin ich nicht.  

c) Ich finde das schon stressig hier immer posten zu müssen. Aber in der CM Kampagne gibt es doch gar kein Minimum ? Korrekt, aber trotzdem hat man irgendwie immer im Hinterkopf, dass man ja was posten müsste/könnte; einerseits weil man dafür "engagiert" wurde und andererseits weil es im Endeffekt leicht verdientes Geld ist. Ich weiss wirklich nicht, wie man sich für ~$70 bei 25 Posts diesen Stress geben kann, sorry falls das überheblich klingt, so ist es nicht gemeint. Es gibt zwar Poster, die ganz organisch ihre 25+ Posts pro Woche machen können, aber die Mehrheit struggled schon Woche für Woche auf ihre Posts zu kommen, oder nicht ? Und mein Anspruch ist es halt nicht, hier belangloses Zeug zu posten, aber das muss sich jeder für sich selbst entscheiden und ich werte es nicht, steht mir auch nicht zu.

d) Nun könnte ich einfach ganz sutsche meine 1-5 Posts machen aber der mentale Stress aus c) bleibt und was viel wichtiger ist: Ich will kein User sein, der 1-5 Posts pro Woche macht und damit einem anderem User einen Platz wegnimmt. Einem User, für den ein Platz in der CM Kampagne viel mehr bedeutet - finanziell, aber auch vielleicht fürs Ego.

e) Als im Januar die Bezahlung für die Kampagne absolut berechtigt runtergesetzt wurde, fand ich das einerseits schade, aber es war vor allem ein Gefühl: Erleichterung. Warum ? Weil es mir die Entscheidung erleichterte, eine Sache, die immer mehr zur Belastung wurde, loszulassen. Und das zeigte mir, dass ich eigentlich gar nicht mehr in diese Kampagne gehöre.


In diesem Sinne, der Nächste bitte Viel Glück allen Bewerbern^^

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*als ich in der Kampagne aufgenommen wurde war es in etwas genau so viel, aber mein Leben und meine Präferenzen haben sich in dieser Zeit auch geändert.

Hmm, I don't know, 50/50 maybe ? What I can tell you is, that the ESC community is more younger people, but not the very young ones, maybe people aged 30-50. And ESC has a big LGBT community 

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Betfair has added some more markets, but not a lot of liquidity until now:


Source: https://www.orbitxch.com/customer/sport/market/1.175680934

Once there is some more liquidity, I will lay France to win the televote. As said, I think they will get the majority of their points form the juries.

These side markets are really way more interesting than the winner market. Good value to be found there Just needs lots of time to analyze all this

I think Sweden is what you are looking for, but just go through all songs and see for yourself. There is an overview with links to all songs in first post of this thread.


This is below 2 now, very nice. Already thought of hedging, but I believe in this song, lol.

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The latest winning odds from Orbit/Betfair:


Source: https://www.orbitxch.com/customer/sport/market/1.175680934?allSports

Italy/Malta doing very good since I last posted, Bulgaria/Sweden went up quite a bit.

Although I don't like the italian entry, I think it will do VERY good, might even win this.

Wie schon geschrieben, wird doch in jedem Unternehmen (und auch in der Politik) gemauschelt, Vetterwirtschaft betrieben, sich persönlich bereichert etc. und das ist bei der IF auch nicht anders, gehört halt zum guten Ton. Problem ist nur, dass die IF eine non-profit Stiftung ist und daher etwas andere Regeln gelten und man eventuell bisschen genauer hinschaut, da man ja auch gewisse Vorteile geniesst.

David hat das in seinem Blogpost doch auch schon angedeutet:


Und hier:


Und David selber hat dort doch auch kräftig mitgemischt oder warum sollte man gewisse IOTA Transaktionen verschleiern ?


Quelle: https://medium.com/@comefrombeyond/what-really-happened-before-david-sonstebo-and-cfb-parting-ways-chat-log-a2fcf2cb34b7

Ich bin hier eher auf der Seite der IF Nicht, weil ich denke, dass sie "im Recht" sind, sondern weil ich Davids Verhalten bezüglich der Reclaims schon immer unmöglich fand und ich schon immer dachte, dass er diese einfach ignoriert, damit die Leute irgendwann aufgeben und er diese IOTA behalten kann. Kein sehr loyales und faires Verhalten, denn diese OG's haben es mit ihrem Investment überhaupt erst ermöglicht, dass all dies entsteht. Und dann sollte man auch alles dafür tun, die IOTA ihren rechtmäßigen Besitzern zu geben; auch nach X Jahren.

Nun geht David natürlich der Arsch auf Grundeis, weil er a) diese eingeplanten IOTA verlieren kann und b) aus rechtlicher Sicht dumm da steht, falls er gerichtlich dazu gezwungen wird, diese IOTA rauszurücken (die er dann gar nicht mehr hat).
Und wenn es zu b) kommt, dann wird das, wie David in seinem Blogpost schreibt, auch zu möglichen Konsequenzen für die IF führen - denn dann wird dieses ganze Konstrukt von der Staatsanschwaltschaft durchleuchtet und da werden Sachen ans Licht kommen, die man wohl lieber gar nicht wissen möchte und die die Existenz des gesamten Projekts gefährden werden imo. Ist halt wie in jedem Unternehmen Im Endeffekt würde die IF wohl besser fahren, wenn sie David einfach die IOTA geben, werden sie aber wohl nicht machen^^

At Betfair, it's still 40 there, hasn't moved. But as said, I don't see them winning, just performing better than the odds suggest. So, if you are not looking to trade, I wouldn't recommend to bet on them.


It's 50% televotes and 50% jury votes from each participating country, while they can't vote for themselves of course See here: Voting

The result is influenced by a lot of things (politics, diaspora, friendly countries, (music) culture), but you won't win this thing with a poor song and performance. What a good song is, is of course very subjective, but the betting markets are generally pretty good in predicting the winner/the countries that will do good. I can't recall a HUGE outsider winning the ESC since I bet on this, and with huge I mean odds of 100+

I would probably concentrate more on some side markets, like H2H, Top3/5/10 etc.