Looking at the specs it seems each core has a total of 4 GB of memory. That's going to be an issue in the long run since once Ethereum reaches Epoch 384 the DAG file size will be too large to fit in 4 GB. At the current rate that's going to happen in the beginning of 2021. However, should Ethereum devs decice to speed up Epoch switches then that deadline could be hit much sooner. It seems like an easy way to render the ASIC out of date without resorting to hard forking the algorithm or switching to PoS.
They would NEVER do that because at the same time youd screw over everyone with a 3 or 4 GB GPU.... That means all 1060 3GB's, all 1050ti 4GB's and any RX 470/480/570/580 with 4GB (which is the major one here). Epochs will never be "sped up". |
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Therese already a thread on this.
But... overall, 4MB L3 cache really cripples them.
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In my parts I would have to pay about the same for a 980 TI as I would for a 1070 so I would of course go for the 1070. But even if the 980 TI is cheaper you need to consider the fact that you need more PSU power, 2 power connectors instead of 1 and so on. Those costs also add up. Still good advice to get one if you can find them cheap enough.
I would not buy a 980ti at all considering the new Nvidia chips will be released this year and possibly in the next few months. 1070's were $379 MSRP when they were released. I figure the 1170's will be $399. In my mind its stupid ot be buying 980ti's for this cost when certainly much better chips can be had soon that may hash 2-3x or more than what a 980ti can do. Too many people let greed get in the way of common sense when it comes to mining. |
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I dont condone this fuckery, $370 for a 980ti?  ? I got all my 1070's for right around $300! And the 980ti is a major power hog compared to most cards, you are lucky with VERY cheap power but still..... One other thing, you DO know these are crippled as of DAG 155 for Ethereum right? they hash less than a 1050ti now. I dont like the idea of buying what is realistically a pig of a card thats already crippled in some aspects. If you are going to buy old power hungry cards you may as well buy $50 Radeon 7850's to mine Cryptonight with. $370 is just WAYYYYY too much for a 980ti. We are talking a 6 month ROI here, and who knows what will happen in the next 6 months, but certainly the next gen of Nvidia cards will drop. where the fuck can you find a gtx 1070 for 300 dollars... thats way under msrp. I cant find a 1070 online for less than like 600 bucks. Essentially, you are buying while all GPU prices are inflated, why? 980ti just are not worth $370 I bought most of my stuff right at the beginning of the mining rush in May/June. Even so ive received multiple GTX 1060 for free since then (walmart BF 1060 desktops, eBay deals). I just dont think its wise to spend nearly $400 on old hardware that is crippled and power hungry, it will be hard and expensive to fill a rig with them due to the power requirements (each card needs 6+8 pin, a PSU that can handle all that will be in the hundreds of dollars range). |
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I'm glad someone brought up this topic, I've tried discussing this in other places but got quickly shutdown. Anyways, I hope I can add some new info here but there are basically 3 possibilities to mining cryptonight currencies on an Xbox One, the first of which I already tried to minimal benefit:
1. Use a browser based javascript miner like Coinhive (set up your own site) and mine with the Xbox One's edge browser. I've tried this on my own Xbox One and Xbox One X, the hashrate is pretty bad. It's CPU only and you'll get like close to 12 H/s on the Xbox One X CPU. What's VERY interesting though is that the original Xbox One CPU actually gets around 13 H/s. It's consistently a full 1 H/s better than the Xbox One X CPU which makes me curious why since the Xbox One X not only has a higher clockspeed, but is supposed to have made many other improvements over the original CPU. This is currently the only method that anyone can do at the moment.
2. Someone will need to write a UWP version of a cryptonight miner. Microsoft recently allowed UWP apps and games to have access to a lot more system resources than in the past. I am a C# UWP dev, but I don't have the skills or experience to be able to port or write my own cryptonight miner without help. I'm totally willing to do that if someone with the knowledge and experience wants to help. Unfortunately, chances are Microsoft wouldn't approve a mining app on the app store for distribution on the Xbox One. That being said, any Xbox One can be dev mode unlocked by anyone so that's all that will need to be done and any UWP app can be compiled and sideloaded easily by anyone.
3. Similar to option 2, but someone will need to write a miner using a game engine like Unity or Unreal. Using a game engine should give you full DX12 access to the CPU and GPU, allowing for better theoretical performance over UWP. For an engine like Unity, the mining code could probably be written using compute shaders. I've also developed in Unity before, but again I don't have the level of experience to be able to write a miner without help. And of course the same restriction applies here where you'll probably end up having to sideload the app yourself since it likely wouldn't get through Microsoft's approval process and even if it did, probably wouldn't go unnoticed for very long.
Considering how expensive graphics cards are now these days, game consoles, especially the Xbox One X, make a lot of sense for mining and are great value. Plus, the prices of game consoles are a lot more stable than PC graphics cards for numerous reasons. I'm willing to try to write a UWP or Unity miner for the Xbox One if someone with the knowledge and experience is willing to help me. Otherwise, we could try to start a bounty or something for someone to write one for us.
How many xbox one's can a dev have in "dev mode"? This is probably going to be the only way in which youll realistically be able to mine with them. |
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I dont condone this fuckery, $370 for a 980ti? ? I got all my 1070's for right around $300! And the 980ti is a major power hog compared to most cards, you are lucky with VERY cheap power but still..... One other thing, you DO know these are crippled as of DAG 155 for Ethereum right? they hash less than a 1050ti now. I dont like the idea of buying what is realistically a pig of a card thats already crippled in some aspects. If you are going to buy old power hungry cards you may as well buy $50 Radeon 7850's to mine Cryptonight with. $370 is just WAYYYYY too much for a 980ti. We are talking a 6 month ROI here, and who knows what will happen in the next 6 months, but certainly the next gen of Nvidia cards will drop. |
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You went into discussion - verbal fight - with rare person here (if not the only one) that is actually "mining" on APUs, claiming how good will be to mine on certain's hardware APU. You could (l)earn much more if You asked him politely how to maximize profit from APU instead of linking "APU knowledge" and "farms" mining cryptonight. Do You know number of needed XBOX Ss to be in par with single Radeon Vega 56? I will tell You - it's between 10 and 20. Oh, almost forgot - the power needed is in similar ratio. Another ignorant comment... RX 580 (the same GPU the X has) can mine 800 H/s in Monero/CryptoNight. Vega 56 is around 2000 H/s on CryptoNight. 10-20? Not really. Educate yourself. Source: http://monerobenchmarks.info/Btw, MS seems willing to adopt the blockchain technology: https://cloudblogs.microsoft.com/enterprisemobility/2018/02/12/decentralized-digital-identities-and-blockchain-the-future-as-we-see-it/If you're not willing the discuss the subject in hand, then please leave. IF you are going to argue, at least quote properly, he specifically said xbox one S which runs the same hardware as the original xbox one albeit slightly overclocked and on a small die process. Xbox one S is much, MUCH less powerful than the xbox one X. Xbox one GPU is only a 768 shader GCN 1.0 part, so inbetwen radeon 7770 and 7790. People seem to be getting them confused in this thread and that reddit link, the guy in the reddit said he was not mining on the Xbox one X as it did not make financial sense. |
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Its reportedly using DDR3 memory...
6 cores on each board
32gb on each board
3 boards per machine
of DDR3...
So one machine would be the equivalent of an 18gpu rig, providing that the asic cores are roughly as fast.
Nowhere near as fast as a 18GPU rig - There's no point here, the DDR3 memory is no were near as fast as the memory on a regular GPU - Not even close. ETHash is memory bound, it doesnt matter if the asic has 24 cores per machine, it will be limited by the ram speed as all the calculations are done in RAM. This is why this machine is fake, there's no point really, they would require GDDR5 ram, which is really expenssive compared to regular ram, but its also much faster - Secondly, there's 0 need for 32GB of RAM, a ASIC made for ETHash would not have 32GB of RAM as the algo requires FAST ram so stuffing it with more RAM than needed will simply drive the price up even more, making it even less attractive. The algo that ether runs on, is asic "secure", you can indeed create a asic for ether mining, but it will be no more effective than GPUs as you are limited by the RAM speeds - They might be cheaper than purchasing X GPU's since they can probably get away with cheaper overall hardware, but there's basically no point as their supply would be limited in a much larger scale than GPUs. Oh an Metroid, not sure why you are like this, but just stop what you are doing, the only troll here is you. this is awesome, bout time someone else pointed out how much of a troll Metroid is. maybe his roids are acting up again ROFL I heard that he got medication for the roids. It's not 100% confirmed, but I know myself and others in the community certainly wish him well as far as his health is concerned  Pretty sure that I gave him this number already, but I'm going to post it again ... Metroid ... If you truly need help ... The number for the suicide hotline in the USA is 1-800-273-8255. They are avaiable 24/7. Please do not hesitate to call. You do not have to do anything drastic. I want you to get back into your right mindset and be well again. We are all here for you. Agreed, Metroid needs help. the non stop "suicide" shit is very telling. |
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Turns out its not good for mining at all.
Crippled with only 4 MB L3 cache. Vega GPU no good as well. The initial reports said it would have 8 MB L3 cache, turns out they both have only 4.
Oh well.
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Hello guys!
We are planing to build a big mining farm.
For now we have a power of 3000 MHS. We are planing to add 3000 more in ethereum mining rigs and 15 antminers.
The question is:
Do you have any advice about cooling?
For now it is ok, but during summer that might be a problem. Any advice about what kind of building is better to use, what kind of cooling system, etc. would be great!
Thanks!
I just dont know if its advisable to set up an eth mining farm right now, especially with the new Nvidia chips around the corner, market uncertainty, skyrocketing diff and possible Eth ASICs. I think you need to reconsider all of this. What leads you to believe there will be an ETH asic There's just too much going on right now for anyone to realistically considering a large Eth mining operation. They simply missed the train and will need to choose another path. |
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Hello guys!
We are planing to build a big mining farm.
For now we have a power of 3000 MHS. We are planing to add 3000 more in ethereum mining rigs and 15 antminers.
The question is:
Do you have any advice about cooling?
For now it is ok, but during summer that might be a problem. Any advice about what kind of building is better to use, what kind of cooling system, etc. would be great!
Thanks!
I just dont know if its advisable to set up an eth mining farm right now, especially with the new Nvidia chips around the corner, market uncertainty, skyrocketing diff and possible Eth ASICs. I think you need to reconsider all of this. |
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Claymore's v11 Dual Miner supports more alt coins now. Try an algo that doesn't have an ASIC or FPGA yet (Keccak?). Though they may not be as profitable overall, it will be easier on your GPU.
Where are the directions? It only duel mined 4 coins last I checked How about you go LOOK at claymores thread. |
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I have an AMD RX580 mining rig that I monitor remotely with GoToMyPC. There is no monitor connected to the computer. Recently I've noticed that when I remote access the mining rig GPU 1 will drop in hash rate by around 50%. I can look back at the hash rate history and see that before I log in the rate is normal, log in and it drops, log out and it goes back up.
What gives???
You could go to the miners process under the details tab in task manager and set "Priority" to "realtime" and it will give the program absolute priority over any other process in the processing queue. That what I had to do for my AMD E350 rigs, piece of shit netbook CPU is just so under-powered.... |
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is gpu mining already dead or still dying?
Fully alive wtf hahahahahaaha. As long as it remains profitable to do so, we will do it. |
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Arent there plenty of datacentres that include internet/electricity that will host most miners for anywhere between $100-$150 a month? I think all these obscure idea's wont be anywhere near as competitive as that considering
No, WTF? Most of us dont live next door to a data center much less even know of one where such is feasible. I mean Christ I live 2+ hours away from the outskirts of Atlanta, thats the closest major city near me. This idea wont work for like 99.9999% of people. |
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I went and found the $230 one on my own with only the TDP information you provided. God damn lol that googlefu. Its a blade so it cant run standalone.... youd have to buy an enclosure as well, so thats going to put a LOT of people off. |
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Realistically you will need a Thunderbolt port and a compatible eGPU enclosure that would work with your laptops thunderbolt revision (1, 2 ,3 ). Anything else like using the wi-fi mini PCI-e slot is generally not going to work out. Lots of laptop BIOS have a whitelist and I doubt you be able to get 1 GPU to work let alone 3+. Essentially you are MUCH better off buying a 3 PCI express slot embedded mobo like this one if you want a cheap miner: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157616&ignorebbr=1 |
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Hello i would like to ask what CryptoCurrencies do you suggest me to go mining on my Labtop. I am looking for some altcoins that have potential in the future. And do you think my labtop could crash or die?
Labtop is Lenovo Ideapad 700 AMD A6 Radeon
Its LAPTOP not "LABTOP", this isnt science class. Its a bad idea to mine on a laptop, my friends GTX 980m in his alienware burned the internal power cable from the battery to mainboard. Granted it was a known issue but it didnt take long to pop up once he started mining. |
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How much were these servers again?
They WERE 700 to 900... They are now close to 1500 and even an 63xx CPU is going for a premium thanks to someone we know. Heck, they are even being advertised as miners on Ebay now!  <3 You can get broadwell chips with L4 cache. P6300 and P6200 both have the same 128MB L4 edram that others were talking about previously in this thread. E3-1258L v4 E3-1278L v4 E3-1265L v4 E3-1285L v4 E3-1285 v4 https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon-E3-1285L-v4-Processor-CPU-3-4GHz-LGA-1150-SR2B1-4-Core/302606489923?hash=item4674c09943:g:AOAAAOSwzRFaX-X2Note: there was a change with the edram/L4 in skylake. There are also skylake processors with iris pro, but I have no idea if it will work the same as the other chips. That was totally not worth it for $249.... I had a source lined up for $100 chips (ES Xeons with P6300) but the God damn Chinese are worthless to me and lied about having them. Between this and my PUBG experience I am beginning to hate them. If you think that is a good value then you'll love the the new AMD apu's that are based on Ryzen with VEGA graphics on die. Only $100 for the cheapest one (Quad core + 512 VEGA GPU cores, unlocked CPU and GPU core) , should do at least 500 H/s between the CPU and GPU. In the least it would be a better choice for a rig CPU than a celery that will never ROI itself. I think 500 H/S is wishful thinking. The 8 MB cache will be a limiting factor and I doubt the onboard GPU will contribute much if any hashrate as it will drag down the cpu performance. Cryptonight will absolutely hash just fine on that Vega die since its not a memory intense algo. It is possible it will make the CPU throttle a bit, but it is an unlocked chip and with a hearty cooler it may be able to run @ 4.0 Ghz + Vega GPU OC'd as well. True the CPU has only 8 MB cache but should be fine for a 4 core/4 thread Ryzen 3 2200G. Who knows, ill buy one to play with and see how it goes. should be a good chip for a mining rig anyway. I got some $25 AM4 boards from newegg so it wont cost much overall. I hate AMD with all my heart though, my recent experience with a Vega 64 (wattman doesn't even save clocks on restart... wtf) and some Radeon 7870's has been horrendous compared to Nvidia which literally "just works". So we will see how their CPU stacks up. It certainly is a memory intense algo, in the sense that the bottleneck is always the amount of cache memory available. Vega GPU is going to use DDR memory, making it unusable. That is the big benefit of Iris Pro, it comes with a 64+ MB cache for the GPU. To be honest these new APUs will probably perform like the Ryzen 3 1200 True, but ill buy at least one and report back. |
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