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Ummmmmm NO.....
Numerical scales are in fact UNIVERSAL....
I don't know what planet you went to school on, but here on Earth....
1 million is always 1,000,000 or 1.000.000
1 billion is always 1,000,000,000 or 1.000.000.000
1 trillion is always 1,000,000,000,000 or 1.000.000.000.000
In the UK, the traditional Billion is 1 Million Millions, and a Trillion is 1 Million Billions. Generally we have fully transitioned to the simpler American version and not the traditional roman version nowadays, but they are marked when referencing material from the 70/80's which use the old scales. So, sadly, there are differences and that is a FACT. Although those are very rare to see nowadays, and you would certainly not expect to see it in any newer technology such as a crypto currency. |
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Turtlecoin github is just so active if you check: https://github.com/turtlecoin/turtlecoinUpdates are applied constantly The only problem i think with TRTL coin is the supply, 1 Trillion is just too much imo. If we were to reduce the total supply, a hard fork would be needed? I think if you reduced it below 1TN, it just wouldn't be viable. It's already far less than most other coins. |
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I believe that turtles are a very good and promising project. People really work on it and develop it.
But there is a request to the organizers. More lay out the news here about your updates and innovations. Your medium here post, that people would see how active you are.
That is a good point, I will flag that for the Coin Elders. |
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“One Trillion Turtles: Coin Supply and Unit Economics” @_turtlecoin https://medium.com/@turtlecoin/one-trillion-turtles-coin-supply-and-unit-economics-5bfbea0aa1f1The highlight from that article, remove the decimal places from these coins and this is how many units there are of each coin. TRTL: 100,000,000,000,000
BTC: 2,100,000,000,000,000
IOTA: 2,779,530,283,277,761
LTC: 8,400,000,000,000,000
ETH: 97,879,990,190,000,000,000,000,000 1 Trillion + 2 decimals is less than 21 Million + 8 decimals. I can do 2 decimal math in my head, 8 decimals, not so much... 1 Trillion sounds big compared to 21million, as soon as you remove the decimal and focus on actual units, it turns out to be less. That's easy for YOU to say... I mean... That requires actually using your brain and doing simple math. The crypto world is inundated with low IQ miners and/or investors. Simple math simply does not compute. I'm afraid numerical scales are not unversal. For my understanding as I learned at school: 1,000,000 = 1 million 1,000,000,000,000 = 1 billion (or a million of millions) 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 = 1 trillion (or a million of -previous- billions) ... and so on. so, I think we better state numbers instead of words :-) Cheers, 1 trillion lmao. I see the logic behind the decimals but that's a backwards ass way of thinking lol. The coin has a trillion coins. Period. You can move the decimal around all you want, but that's doesn't change anything. The logic behind the small "0.01" is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. Yes, I understand the math is technically correct (and yea theoretically it has a smaller supply), but all of this is assuming the valuation of the coins would even reach such a low decimal value (which **spoilers** they never will). You never see people sending .00000001 bitcoin (heck the tx fee of bitcoin is ~135 satoshi/byte) or .00000002 ETH to each other so that makes your comparison worthless. The .01 decimal nonsense is stupid since the coin is valued in terms of satoshis which is an even higher -E^N multiplier. When was the last time any of you used/sent BTC past a few decimal points without losing half of your sending amount lol. And that's bitcoin which has the highest USD value. It's even worse with other coins. Most people don't use anything past a couple decimal points which like a mentioned earlier. Makes the comparison useless. Look at the valuation in dollar/BTC of those coins you listed and you will see how stupid of a comparison it is. People will glace and see a trillion and not even bother with it. Not to mention the name is supper trolly which will turn off half the people. I'm not sure it's that backwards, the number of atomic units is, ultimately ALL that counts in supply terms. Also, i'm not sure you can compare to other coins, because of the obscene network fees you are right, you don't see people sending small amounts. But that is a structural fault in the coin network. If the value rises too much, then it fails to be useful for any kind of real currency ("Hey, how much for the coffee, 0.0001 BTC, but you have to pay a $7 charge"). This makes them useful for other things, but prohibitive for small, or by side effect, fast transfers. But ultimately, unless I misunderstood your post, your statements about fractions of the more valuable coins pretty much validates the reason for a deliberately smaller value coin with less precision. And with the network fee being less than 1 satoshi currently, it is completely inconsequential how many or how much is sent. |
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That feels like a pretty fair analysis to me. |
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4. With a neutral viewpoint, we can't say whether these two exchanges are under your control. But, then again, you two are anonymous devs, who knows what control you have in the first place. Was TradeSatoshi even an exchange that the consensus voted on? Or did the lead devs simply abruptly shove a btc into tradesatoshi to get it listed without any sort of community feedback? Surely the decentralized exchanges you're working on being added are cheaper than TradeSatoshi, if not free. I'm not certain why you would single out tradesatoshi as the exchange of choice. Surely alternative, better known exchanges could've been chosen with that same listing fee.
It is utterly ridiculous that you would expect the devs - or anyone - to waste time proving a negative. Your argument: 1) You're anon 2) You might have controlled listing on TS/manipulated price/caused the Global Financial Crisis/rigged the US election/killed JFK 3) Therefore the onus is on you to prove you didn't. Seriously? It's pretty staggering Bebop gave you the courtesy of answering you at all. I've been researching new alts to get into. The unprofessionalism that goes on in this thread turned me off. I'm not sure whether or not the collective negative responses coming from others who merely question some aspects of the coin, its events, and its anonymous creators are true or false. However the coin's supporters reply calling these critics "flat earthers" and "JFK conspiracy theorists". It just makes the coin look more scammy. I don't agree with anonymous developers for centralized crypto. But from what I can tell, turtlecoin is doing the anon thing the correct way. They're trying to make a statement that it's not the devs who matter, but the coin's following. The devs ultimately don't have more power than the coin's active members. But I'd like to offer a caveat to that as well. It seems as though only the two anonymous devs have the power to kick people from the turtlecoin discord. They took away all administration right from all mods and administrative. If they can do that for the main community, they could just as easily do so for other aspects of the coin, including development. Just a caveat. It's only decentralized on its face, it can go centralized with a few clicks That is a fair point, and my unprofessionalism is a bit of an embarrassment. In many ways I wish i'd never interacted in the first place, but removing my posts would be a far greater error in judgement right now. I am sorry that this thread was such a negative for you, as obviously that was not the intention. But I do take FUD and mis-truth very personally, and sadly I overreacted. It is very hard to remain civil when you have been called a liar, or incompetent, but I certainly should have. Maybe at the age of 40 I am still not mature enough to interact with people semi-anonymously on forums such as these. I guess the thing I find the hardest is people taking a little grain of knowledge and filling in a whole backstory, which is in most cases completely fictional. Then when trying to explain what actually happened (and things that can be verified), you get called a liar or that you are changing your story. You end up going down a mine shaft of constantly retorting and trying to set records straight when actually, the arguments are impossible to answer as the response is always a change of question or an accusation. I spent a long time writing the original [ANN] post, trying to explain that we are "just another clone", but with what we hope is the potential for more. I was hoping to negate the barrage of abuse that nearly always accompanies an announcement here in this scenario. But to be clear, I have no problem with people calling is a shitcoin, or a scam. I mean realistically, it hurts a little ,but it also upsets the community that is working hard to build something. But, believe it or not, I am mature enough to understand that you can't win everyone over, and sometimes the only proof that will do is when the coin is still around and no-one has scammed anyone. But people will form their own opinions and I am happy for that, it's a free world after all. The reason I so fervently try to set the record straight is that people come here to learn about the coin, they see lots of FUD, lots of fictional opinion and it is just not helpful for anyone. I mean the ability to make an RPC call to any running daemon with access without any kind of authentication is an absolute fact, unless you take steps to secure it yourself. But then it still means you are vulnerable to malware attacks stealing your crypto. For me it was a fairly simple statement, I was not expecting accusations, for the dev team to be vilified and for statements to be made that were overtly and provably inaccurate. People will read those comments and think that the dev team is a joke, and that is a very personal thing for us as I simply don't believe that to be true. There are some seriously talented people working on this, and it will take time, and it will be bumpy from time to time but ultimately we are moving forward and learning from all the mistakes that are made. Anyhow, thanks for contributing to the discussion, it was a sobering read (and before that is brought up again, I don't even drink, it's just an expression). |
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There seems to be a lot of confusion/misinformation spreading around but hopefully I can clarify some things. 1. We turned 2 months on Jan 9th, about 4 days ago. 2. No ICO, no premine, no funding of any kind. All devs and contributors are volunteers though we try our best to reward appropriately with TurtleCoin for everyone's hard work. We announced the coin on a popular and well known privacy forum. Word spread immediately. 3. The updated versions are not 'random' or 'emergency updates' scrambling in the fae of immature code. A security vulnerability that affects *many* cryptonotes was discovered, we fixed it and followed proper disclosure procedures. https://medium.com/@turtlecoin/mess-with-the-best-759c1fd230b1. We do not have a fixed release cycle, we roll out releases when we feel updates are sufficient and we continue to work to incrementally improve various pieces of the software such as difficulty calculation, user experience of simple wallet, correcting bugs, and security enhancements. 4. Neither TradeOgre or TradeSatoshi are in our control. TradeOgre has had some downtimes here and there but seems to come back reliably. Our dev team has worked with TradeSatoshi and provided updates to help address the issues. We apologize for the inconvenience but it is not in our control. 5. We are looking at getting added to some decentralized exchanges currently. -Bebop 1. Ooookay, what is this? Turned 2 months 4 days ago on January 9? It's FEBRUARY 14! Or are you actually correcting editfmah, who is the co-lead dev, and apparently isn't aware of his own nascent project's release? My heavens. The shenanigans are apparent right from this thread. 2. If you don't allow any kind of funding, even donations from the community, how in all the bitcoin blazes will you ever get any exchange listing fees paid? Will you just expect Bittrex and Binance to list turtle of their own good spirit? 3. There's some drama around the cryptonite "hack" that involved admin betrayal. As stated aforementioned, I shant go into the details. But to my understanding, none of the other "cryptonite coins" shared your urgency. In fact, they simply ignored your requests for contact. Retrospectively, seems iffy that they were affected in the slightest. Sounds likely twas a turtlecoin problem that emergency PR tried to desensitize by making it a "cryptonite coin" problem. Fumble coding? And now you're trying to lump your emergency updates about balances not showing up as just part of a "routine update." You needed these two exchanges to update their turtlecoin software at least twice this week and that doesn't include the cryptonite debacle. We can read between the lines. 4. With a neutral viewpoint, we can't say whether these two exchanges are under your control. But, then again, you two are anonymous devs, who knows what control you have in the first place. Was TradeSatoshi even an exchange that the consensus voted on? Or did the lead devs simply abruptly shove a btc into tradesatoshi to get it listed without any sort of community feedback? Surely the decentralized exchanges you're working on being added are cheaper than TradeSatoshi, if not free. I'm not certain why you would single out tradesatoshi as the exchange of choice. Surely alternative, better known exchanges could've been chosen with that same listing fee. But thanks for your clarification. Only begs more inquiries. 1 > What? Sorry not lead dev or co lead dev or anything of the sort. Didn't even start mining until mid January when I created my first wallet. Mainly because i'm a mac user, and I couldn't get the stack to compile in the early days, and I had other stuff on. Sure I was looking into a different type of coin with RockSteady before this one, but sadly (and it is a regret), I wasn't in as early as maybe I could have been. 3 > Yes the other coins don't care that you can shut down daemons remotely or make calls to transfer coins from wallets just openly and without any kind of security if you expose your rpc service to the internet, or pick up malware that will do the same. Sure, the answer is lock it down yourself, but some devs felt it was a security hole. Having researched what happened, someone on the discord gave their friend admin privileges, and they thought they would make a big splash announcement, then buy up the coins. It was hardly subversion of the highest kind. I think an important note here, is that if you don't understand that this coin is a fork, and that mean sharing code with ByteCoin, and you don't understand how that (for 99.8% of the codebase) means the same faults, then you probably should not cast aspersions that this is a TurtleCoin fault. Seriously, if you don't know anything about the problem, where it was, what it affected, how it was fixed? Then why would you post that sentence here, it pretty much tells us (and everyone reading this) what we need to know about your motivations. I try to remain civil, but this has become like arguing with a flat earther from the standpoint of total ignorance and ill-education. As far as i'm aware, only one update was communicated to the exchanges, as they were already on the other "change of diff" codebase already, that was for other people running old 2.x.x software. 4 > There is nothing neutral about your viewpoint, your post is full on huge inaccuracies and stuff we read on the Discord channel that is anything but fact. I am hardly anonymous, any kind fo search of my username and you can find out who I am and where I live without any problem. Trade satoshi was the one mentioned on Discord the most, at the time. In hindsight, maybe another one might have been better, maybe none at all, what is done is done. 1. ...You are seriously saying that out of the two lead devs who created turtlecoin, 0 of them made the Bitcointalk ANN. But you, who just admitted neither being a co-dev or anything of the sort. Let's put aside the OP turtlecoin announcement posted by you... You've been speaking authoratively on turtlecoin, as though writing in an official capacity. But when you're erroneous, you fall back on the position, oh hold on, I am not any sort of admin.. Exactly how much of a joke is turtle[Suspicious link removed]d thing you can skip out if it really does turn to uber shit, and a fortunate deed you weren't Rocksteady's co. 3. It's all just more excuses. It's a repeating occurrence with this coin, like some kind of doom oscillator. Bad things happen, credible excuses ensue.. How you're explaining admin betrayal that well, I don't know. I commend your PR abilities. Same with the “cryptonite” endeavor: Yes, we admit the other cryptonite coins didn't care. But that's because they're stupid. I'll lean toward the interpretation that this “hack” affected turtlecoin more, if not exclusively. 4. Lashing out desperately at me is a classic sign of weakness. Weakness of turtlecoin, weakness of the overall community, inter alia. I have not once thrown insults around, just made my observations, but the OP of the turtlecoin ANN is calling me a “flat earther” because of the exposure. Look around other ANN threads, I'm concisely confident none of their OPs have done the same toward "dissenters." If you're that bothered by my observations, then it's a clear symptom of an inherent problem, perhaps even a technological one with turtle.To not aggravate the issue, I'm taking a breather from this thread. No need for things to get ugly. I will still watch this project, hope the devs can pull their pants up and together. Okay that is a fair point I should not have lost my cool and made a semi-personal attack on you after you basically rubbished mine and other devs contributions and called us liars, my mistake. I am an admin, on here and on discord, i've known Rocksteady for about 8 months, we met over at Aeon. I just said I was not the lead or co-lead. I nominated myself to do the ANN, all open and public on the GitHub issues forum, you are welcome to check it out. I am generally not bothered by your observations as they are not accurate, or are not relevant to our coin. Sure we didn't ICO, sure we didn't get investment. We are cool with that. This has indeed turned snarky and not-professional again, so I too am happy to leave it, as I have code to write (shitty keyboard fumbles no doubt). |
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There seems to be a lot of confusion/misinformation spreading around but hopefully I can clarify some things. 1. We turned 2 months on Jan 9th, about 4 days ago. 2. No ICO, no premine, no funding of any kind. All devs and contributors are volunteers though we try our best to reward appropriately with TurtleCoin for everyone's hard work. We announced the coin on a popular and well known privacy forum. Word spread immediately. 3. The updated versions are not 'random' or 'emergency updates' scrambling in the fae of immature code. A security vulnerability that affects *many* cryptonotes was discovered, we fixed it and followed proper disclosure procedures. https://medium.com/@turtlecoin/mess-with-the-best-759c1fd230b1. We do not have a fixed release cycle, we roll out releases when we feel updates are sufficient and we continue to work to incrementally improve various pieces of the software such as difficulty calculation, user experience of simple wallet, correcting bugs, and security enhancements. 4. Neither TradeOgre or TradeSatoshi are in our control. TradeOgre has had some downtimes here and there but seems to come back reliably. Our dev team has worked with TradeSatoshi and provided updates to help address the issues. We apologize for the inconvenience but it is not in our control. 5. We are looking at getting added to some decentralized exchanges currently. -Bebop 1. Ooookay, what is this? Turned 2 months 4 days ago on January 9? It's FEBRUARY 14! Or are you actually correcting editfmah, who is the co-lead dev, and apparently isn't aware of his own nascent project's release? My heavens. The shenanigans are apparent right from this thread. 2. If you don't allow any kind of funding, even donations from the community, how in all the bitcoin blazes will you ever get any exchange listing fees paid? Will you just expect Bittrex and Binance to list turtle of their own good spirit? 3. There's some drama around the cryptonite "hack" that involved admin betrayal. As stated aforementioned, I shant go into the details. But to my understanding, none of the other "cryptonite coins" shared your urgency. In fact, they simply ignored your requests for contact. Retrospectively, seems iffy that they were affected in the slightest. Sounds likely twas a turtlecoin problem that emergency PR tried to desensitize by making it a "cryptonite coin" problem. Fumble coding? And now you're trying to lump your emergency updates about balances not showing up as just part of a "routine update." You needed these two exchanges to update their turtlecoin software at least twice this week and that doesn't include the cryptonite debacle. We can read between the lines. 4. With a neutral viewpoint, we can't say whether these two exchanges are under your control. But, then again, you two are anonymous devs, who knows what control you have in the first place. Was TradeSatoshi even an exchange that the consensus voted on? Or did the lead devs simply abruptly shove a btc into tradesatoshi to get it listed without any sort of community feedback? Surely the decentralized exchanges you're working on being added are cheaper than TradeSatoshi, if not free. I'm not certain why you would single out tradesatoshi as the exchange of choice. Surely alternative, better known exchanges could've been chosen with that same listing fee. But thanks for your clarification. Only begs more inquiries. 1 > What? Sorry not lead dev or co lead dev or anything of the sort. Didn't even start mining until mid January when I created my first wallet. Mainly because i'm a mac user, and I couldn't get the stack to compile in the early days, and I had other stuff on. Sure I was looking into a different type of coin with RockSteady before this one, but sadly (and it is a regret), I wasn't in as early as maybe I could have been. 3 > Yes the other coins don't care that you can shut down daemons remotely or make calls to transfer coins from wallets just openly and without any kind of security if you expose your rpc service to the internet, or pick up malware that will do the same. Sure, the answer is lock it down yourself, but some devs felt it was a security hole. Having researched what happened, someone on the discord gave their friend admin privileges, and they thought they would make a big splash announcement, then buy up the coins. It was hardly subversion of the highest kind. I think an important note here, is that if you don't understand that this coin is a fork, and that mean sharing code with ByteCoin, and you don't understand how that (for 99.8% of the codebase) means the same faults, then you probably should not cast aspersions that this is a TurtleCoin fault. Seriously, if you don't know anything about the problem, where it was, what it affected, how it was fixed? Then why would you post that sentence here, it pretty much tells us (and everyone reading this) what we need to know about your motivations. I try to remain civil, but this has become like arguing with a flat earther from the standpoint of total ignorance and ill-education. As far as i'm aware, only one update was communicated to the exchanges, as they were already on the other "change of diff" codebase already, that was for other people running old 2.x.x software. 4 > There is nothing neutral about your viewpoint, your post is full on huge inaccuracies and stuff we read on the Discord channel that is anything but fact. I am hardly anonymous, any kind fo search of my username and you can find out who I am and where I live without any problem. Trade satoshi was the one mentioned on Discord the most, at the time. In hindsight, maybe another one might have been better, maybe none at all, what is done is done. |
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Not announcing on bitcointalk is being misconstrued as connivance for a faux-premine under the pretense of no premine. Tis hardly fair that a sprouting cryptocurrency, which presumably strives to be taken serious, expected serious cryptocurrency industry players to find it on a not-so-serious memeboard.
Devs even admitted that their official announcement was a post on 4chan, then proceeded to mine the genesis block like it was fine. Then mining with the full force of mining rigs during the laughable ease of an early no premine coin.
An absent announcement on official channels is not only a political blunder, but a hint toward dirty dealings and even scams.
In that same logic, I could create a new no premine coin, announce it on the back of a comic book, then hurrying to continuously mine it up before word spreads knowing fully well that serious players would never have seen the announcement until after I've gotten a significang head start.
Regrettably, it's over and done with. ANN is here now. Damage control enacted. People overlook it and have forgotten.
Admin betrayal is also swept under the rug likely. No dabbling into that, then. Aforementioned, my pov is apathetic. But anyone who wants to dig deeper will find the episode without effort.
Thats fine, I think we will remain quite some way apart on these subjects. But getting 100's of miners in the fist few days, certainly prevented the devs from "Filling their boots" or anything like. The nicehashers took the big wins in the early days, but I guess that is just board conjecture at this point. I still stand by my feelings that announcing elsewhere was the best course, much as i'm sure we would have enjoyed announcing here and being pulled apart, called a shitcoin and any other of the warm welcomes that awaits a clone coin that has no significant differences to start with, and no real selling point so early on. And certainly, when the miner level his 1k just a couple of weeks in, it does make that argument about it only being official if you give the people on this forum the first crack at the blocks a bit of a beating. |
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Not attempting a comparison, but turtlecoin is 3 months old now. Many coins, 3 months after launch, are already on a main exchange. But then again, these coins may or may not have had more monetary support (either donated or crowdfunded). In crypto, most coins three months after launch are not considered to be in their infancy. You do that before launch.
I would not consider a two month old coin (yes 2, not 3) in any way mature. The coins that went straight to exchanges (of which I am naive to anyway so I can't comment), that would have been their plan. But raising money and crowdfunding is entirely against the principal of the coin. Volume doesn't magically appear, but it's not a lie that the coin's market isn't oversaturated. There are less than 400 million turtlecoins combined on both tradesatoshi and tradeogre. Only a small percent of turtlecoins mined to date. Miners looking for healthier trades to dump their coins. If the promise is Q2, hopefully it sticks.
Miners do look to sell their coins for a healthy price, they will have to wait though. Organic growth is slow, but should be more stable than vapid growth. If, as the devs say, the true issue is with the coin's immaturity, which can be seen from all the emergency updates and upgrades randomly popping up since inception, then it shouldn't be allowed on any other exchanges. The two exchanges it's on right now are strained enough keeping up with the time-consuming requests for updates and upgrades from this infant coin.
Yes, that is our whole point. Lets fix the problems before adding exchanges, that does not seem unreasonable. We have only added 1 exchange, TradeOgre added us on their own. The only upside that I've seen thus hither is the growth of the community fueled by promises of grandeur and fun times. After that, the project appears littered with bugs and missteps by both the community, devs, and whatnot. Admins betraying each other, devs mass banning members of their own community, code bugs, withholding exposure from bitcointalk and other important venues. All covered up with nicely fitting excuses
I am unsure about the betrayal you are referring to, but the withholding from bitcointalk was a slight oversight, but also a great benefit. Because another clone coin, with nothing, not even a community would not have attracted so much interest or mining capability so quickly. There are no excuses, the BTCT [ANN] thread was an oversight, and the accidental banning of people on Discord (only the one significant one I can think of) was embarrassing, but there were no excuses made, it was a mistake. I'm shocked that so much stock is put into the timing of the [ANN] announcement, it completely ignores the purpose and intention of the coin. It is not a get rich quick coin, and will take significant time to mature. We would be happy to not attract investors with that kind of mentality right now, it is very counter productive. |
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I've also been following this thread. I respectfully disagree that turtlecoin won't benefit from being on a legitimate exchange.
It seems like the crux of the problem is accessibility. No one can buy the coin without fear because look at all the drama and issues people are having over these two exchanges that no one even knows about.
If the coin is as solid in code as this thread and GitHub purports, then it deserves to be on an exchange of reputation. Even EtherDelta would be fine, too bad it's not an ERC20 token.
I think there are other underlying issues, maybe not with the code, but with funding. A coin just can't exist with 0 funding, look at dogecoin. The devs are probably leaking money in missed revenue via volunteer time. And maybe the warm community isn't as warm as they'd like us to believe. Maybe no one wants to pitch in with the high exchange listing fees, and I can't blame them. They're in the tens of thousands.
So I think the bottom line is, everyone is coding and volunteering for free. No one is willing to spend on this coin anywhere past simply investing in it for their own personal gain. It's a fundamental error... there's no funding, so there's no progress. After a bit, the main devs won't be able to work for free because it's causing a lot of missed revenue on their real lives.
No one is willing to pony up any significant amount of money to get this coin listed because, well, this coin is simply a silly meme to them. That's what this coin attracts... people who want to have fun. Donating thousands is a serious endeavor, and one that this community isn't prepared to commit to. They just want to have fun.
So while the devs scramble to secretly secure funding, they'll throw a pretty solid cover excuse that two exchanges are enough and at this time more exchanges won't advance TurtleCoin's cause. But in reality, everyone can see that isn't the case.
And as can be seen from the rapid price depreciation of the coin, the coin's economy is suffering severely from these substellar exchanges with issues. And if the coin doesn't get on solid exchanges, the price will either stagnate or continue to drop. When the price drops even more, less people will be attracted to the coin and the turtle community because they'll feel like it has no potential.
When a new coin's price spirals downward, it's interpreted as a deadly sign by almost anyone. Coupled with the troll / humor'ish nature of the coin... it's just too many bad signs. No one will see it's trying to be a serious project.
I can foresee this coin stagnating in price the longer it stays on these two bad excahges. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. But even when these two exchanges get their wallets fixed (why do they need to get their wallets fixed? Why does Turtlecoin have so many bugs that it's demanding so much of a pain from both exchanges in upgrades/updates and having to join their discord just to get help?)
It's just one bad sign after another. Stable code? Maybe not.
But, to be fair, if it crawls to 1 or 2 satoshi, I will invest in. Anything higher than that and I could end up with the rest of the stagnation.
That is an interesting observation but with some, significant misgivings and flaws in it's analysis: 1) The point of TurtleCoin is to prove that it can be done without investment, and from a standing start. 2) Developers are well remunerated in their personal lives, this is a technical exercise with many more devs than many bigger coins. If some come and go, the coin will live. 3) The code is based on ByteCoin, which is very well established. But with 30s block times, it has shown up floors. Which have been fixed. TradeOgre's wallet is currently perfectly functional, i've just tested it. So it is now only TradeSatoshi. 4) "Proper Exchanges", yes they cost money. But that is not the stumbling block. At the moment the coin is in it's infancy, significant effort needs to be placed into improving the codebase and the tooling before approaching bigger exchanges, because if there are issues we would run the risk of bad rep (much like this). 5) Dividing the market even further would be a really negative thing, adding another exchange so quickly resulted in lower trade volumes and volume does not magically appear just because you add exchanges. 6) So, as our plan was to tackle exchanges in Q2 of this year, we will probably continue to ignore requests for yet more exchanges until we are in a position to do so. 7) Developers are not seeking any funding, where do you get your information from? So, your post being quite disparaging and also showing a very naive understanding of open source communities and how they function aside, you fail to grasp the fact that TRTL launched at 1 sat and is now 5/6 sat 1 month later. For a coin that has only existed for 2 months those are exceptional numbers. Hence the "Slow and Steady" mantra, volatility comes from rapid and unsubstantiated rises. I see no reason why it is unreasonable to secure the codebase, add value and features beyond the base code and add value through technical merit, that is where the transition from a bit of fun and meme's to a validated project will come. Throwing money at that does not help that situation, it takes time and dedication. You round on Discord, and say it's not friendly, but I still see no evidence of your ban, what was your username I will investigate and I apologise unreservedly if you were banned unfairly. |
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Hello,
I know most of you won't believe me. It seems as though the moderators of this forum delete any posts negative to TRTL.
but I just wanted to say that I followed everyone's advice and bought TRTL because of all the good things I've heard from the beginning of this thread and also on Medium.
I went on TradeOgre and right after my order was filled, the platform shut down TRTL trading (or maybe all trading in general?)
Then I tried to transfer my turtles to TradeSatoshi, which didn't work either due to some error.
I went on discord to politely ask what was going on. They said they were not planning on trying to get listed on any known exchanges. "That they were taking it slow." They denied wanting to be listed on Cryptopia, binance, Bittrex, because those exchanges "were not up for it." "Were not private." "Were not decentralized."
So I asked what I should do about my turtles, which could not be transferred out nor could be traded back into BTC! THEY BANNED ME FROM THEIR DISCORD!
In my honest opinion, these cabal are probably behind those TWO exchanges, just stealing people's money by drawing them into buying TRTL, and then technically keeping their money on the exchanges for indefinite periods.
They're just on discord laughing and talking about alcohol while this is going on!
I have searched discord for your issue and simply can't find anything in the history going back days now. Yes, we will need information because I have just made purchases and transferred TRTL in and out without issue on TradeOgre, as your issue was with their platform, have you tried contacting them? |
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Hello,
I know most of you won't believe me. It seems as though the moderators of this forum delete any posts negative to TRTL.
but I just wanted to say that I followed everyone's advice and bought TRTL because of all the good things I've heard from the beginning of this thread and also on Medium.
I went on TradeOgre and right after my order was filled, the platform shut down TRTL trading (or maybe all trading in general?)
Then I tried to transfer my turtles to TradeSatoshi, which didn't work either due to some error.
I went on discord to politely ask what was going on. They said they were not planning on trying to get listed on any known exchanges. "That they were taking it slow." They denied wanting to be listed on Cryptopia, binance, Bittrex, because those exchanges "were not up for it." "Were not private." "Were not decentralized."
So I asked what I should do about my turtles, which could not be transferred out nor could be traded back into BTC! THEY BANNED ME FROM THEIR DISCORD!
In my honest opinion, these cabal are probably behind those TWO exchanges, just stealing people's money by drawing them into buying TRTL, and then technically keeping their money on the exchanges for indefinite periods.
They're just on discord laughing and talking about alcohol while this is going on!
Nobody from TurtleCoin is a moderator here, so there is absolutely no reason for any posts to be deleted here until the general moderators for the forum decide so. The only comments I know to have been removed were from a FUD'er who was, well, he was what he was. Sadly, I have no idea why you were banned, I will investigate. Both the exchanges are in the process of reviewing and upgrading the wallet and daemon software to fix a critical bug with refreshing balances. It is true that at this precise moment we are not seeking entry to any more exchanges as it would not be useful or helpful to the coin right now. Wallet maintenance is a real pain, if you could shed more information about what status your purchases/transfers are at and what your TradeOgre account is showing that would be useful information to go on. E.g. have you purchased, but it was unable to transfer out to TS because of wallet maintenance? P.S. General isn't the best place to get help, as things often drift off topic there. I don't see anyone freshly added to the exile pile? and I can't find your username on Discord. What is your username (assuming it's not TurtleMarine  )? |
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hi
wff?
i don't care of this "kid war" ,my TRTL are BLOCKED on the wallet tradesatoshi ,i want my trtl!
There is no "kid war", I understand they are reviewing the new code and when it's installed they will unlock the wallet. All fairly common and straight forward, happens to most currencies at some point in their life. |
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I've been doing some test mining at "trtl.mine2gether.com", unfortunately Claymore crashed last night so I'm having to start all over but the initial results look promising.
Where is "trtl.mine2gether.com" located, I can't find any info on that, most of the other pools in the list below have locations but "trtl.mine2gether.com" don't.
Any recommendation on which pool would be best for Western Europe ?
Another question, how do I find my private/public keys in the TurtleCoin Wallet, I think I saw a guide somewhere but lost the link.
us.turtlepool.space → USA TurtlePool
turtlecoinpool.ddns.net → DDNS TurtleCoinPool
slowandsteady.fun → Slow and Steady
turtle.atpool.party → Sweden ATPool.party
eu.turtlepool.space → EUR TurtlePool
hk.turtlepool.space → HK TurtlePool
ny.minetrtl.us → MineTRTL.us (USA NYC)
xk.is → Suce's Pool
z-pool.com → Z-Pool (EU North)
pool.turtleco.in → USA West TurtleCo.In
trtl.mine2gether.com → Mine2gether
auspool.turtleco.in → AUS TurtleCo.In
I use "eu.turtlepool.space", from the UK. It's a sturdy pool, and the owner is very responsive to issues. Just needs a bit more hashrate to hit those blocks with some consistency. |
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So feel free to ask me questions or raise concerns.
Answer for my post please: I find this abnormal. That you did not make the announcement of the coin. Considering how much you wrote, it could be done in a few hours. Given such a large number of coins, many first miners with redit have extracted a lot, at the moment already 4.5 billion. It is somehow not true that information is spread out in narrow circles and not for the entire public. On this statement without premine, not entirely correct. This you post on https://yuki.la/biz/4906378Made my own coin for the lolz. I need graphic designers though, and maybe some web designers. The code is done, network is up and hashing, I have a domain, and a github page, i have everything, just need miners. You write that miners are needed on December 12, why did not you look for them here at least on January 1, and not on February 3? Also you took the time to blog on the medium from January 9, but could not make the announcement here. https://medium.com/@turtlecoinThis is not fair! I got acquainted with your project and it seems to me very interesting, but those moments that I described above, very upset me. Simply put, the Coin Creators nominated this responsibility to myself to do, and I have been super busy with other things. You can see above the original assignment to myself to do this announcement was over 26 days ago, it took a few days to get the graphical assets all together. But this does raise an important point about [ANN] announcements on here with fork coins: When our offering is all about community and a keen development team (at least to start), how well do you honestly think that "yet another fork" would be received on here before we had established a credible community and network. As is stated above, we attracted attention very quickly and that hash rate and difficulty rose significantly, very early on. There was very little time for any of the early adopters to do anything like "fill their boots", and with almost 0.5% of the coin supply mined there really is much more to be mined yet. The creators wanted to build up a buzz and community before taking any further steps, and as is alluded too in previous posts with many 1000's of miners, it was hardly a quiet affair. So although not getting to bitcointalk earlier was unfortunate, I honestly believe that any kind of early post of what was on offer would not have generated anywhere near the level of interest or participation we have from other, more unworthy, channels. |
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this coin sux.
It says no premine, but people here already suspect it's either premined or kept on the down low on purpose so insiders could mine it up.
some coins have a 10 percent premine
and some coins don't tell the world they exist so the turtle illuminati can mine it up first --turtlecoin
regular pNdS. Just check tradeogre charts. Paid shilling on biz... yeah.
check their discord, they're offering $1,000 in turtles for shilling on reddit.
Hey everyone, say hello to TurtleMarine our resident FUD'er. You will be desperately impressed by the amount of effort he puts into making up things and trolling us on every medium. Welcome back bro, we've kept your space at the bar. |
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In essence, those in the know have a massive head start on the plebs.
And this shitcoin has been trading for a while on that dodgy exchange.
1 Trillion coins as well.
And 140,667,505.57 TRTL waiting to be dumped on that scam exchange.
No thanks.
Enjoy conning the noobs.
The 1 Trillion thing isn't really a thing, and it's a lot fewer than most other coins (given our decimal arrangement). TradeOgre seemed okay the single time i've used it to buy some TRTL. There is nothing yet to indicate that they are dodgy (people get their coins in/out no problem), just fairly new. We're not conning anyone, you buy/sell/mine what you like we're not here to tell anyone to do anything. |
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Hi,
155k blocks mined starting form 19 dec last year.
Why did you made the ann here so late?
If there are already 155K blocks who has been mining this ? I thought the ANN said there was no pre-mine, anyway I don't mind, I like Cryptonight coins. Is there a list of pools available and which exchanges is it on - please not Yobit. Well, it was mainly people we had attracted from 4chan & reddit to start (although that was the community promoting itself, they like to call it shelling). But we were added without our knowledge to TradeOgre, which we discovered one day when messages for support started to arrive. https://tradeogre.com/exchange/BTC-TRTL
We are currently in the process of registering with other exchanges too. |
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Mainly it was time related, I said I would do it. Time ran short. The coin was initially announced on 4chan/biz/ back in December where we got the initial traction, jumping from a few hundred to over 4k miners and holders. But then lots of the community were getting things started on reddit at the same time, and things got crazy. Then NiceHash arrived on the scene. It was mainly the pressure from people on our discord channel demanding an [ANN] that really focussed the mind and forced me to complete the task I said i'd do for the team. Also, this forum requires some professionalism and some thought, so when announcing what is, on the surface, just another fork coin. We had to make sure our message came across well, and that took some time to prepare. Here is the original task being assigned to me, 26 days ago! https://github.com/turtlecoin/meta/issues/10#issuecomment-361318277 |
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