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61  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Senator Charles Schumer Pushes to Shut Down Online Drug Marketplace on: June 07, 2011, 09:38:29 PM
All the news talks about is money laundering..seriously wtf.

it probably doesn't help matters that there is a service called the Bitcoin Laundry listed on the "who accepts bitcoins" page

Although it should - because the fact that there is a service dedicated to laundering ought to indicate that bitcoin itself does not serve that function. But unfortunately, the old media doesn't think too good. Either that or they are really just as corrupt as the government on which they depend.
62  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Senator Charles Schumer Pushes to Shut Down Online Drug Marketplace on: June 07, 2011, 09:35:26 PM
You don't have to connect to a global open grid on the internet every time you want to use marijuana.
No, instead you have to have a face-to-face meeting with someone who could easily be a cop or an informant, or receive your product through the government-controlled mail service.

As an illegal good, bitcoin would be MUCH safer on a per-user basis than weed. Especially considering the fact that in order to enforce laws against it, state agencies will have to spread themselves even thinner than they are, and that's so thin that they can't even keep heroin out of their own prisons as it is.
63  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Senator Charles Schumer Pushes to Shut Down Online Drug Marketplace on: June 07, 2011, 08:26:58 PM
You should try leading the last sentence in the text he quoted.
Sites like Silk Road are going to make governments stop Bitcoin from getting widespread use
Sort of like how they have made government stop marijuana from having widespread use. Right?
64  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Senator Charles Schumer Pushes to Shut Down Online Drug Marketplace on: June 07, 2011, 05:36:29 PM
The politicians behind that report are not in a position to benefit from national drug prohibitions. I do not think their opinion will affect nation-state decision making to any great extent, nor do I believe they would still be playing the same tune if they had the opportunity to wage a global war on drugs.
65  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Senator Charles Schumer Pushes to Shut Down Online Drug Marketplace on: June 07, 2011, 04:57:00 PM
I'd rather they become enthusiastic through the "undorsement" of a Senator, but apathy will do.
66  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Senator Charles Schumer Pushes to Shut Down Online Drug Marketplace on: June 07, 2011, 02:02:06 PM
Stop paying your taxes, stop filing paperwork with the Enemy.  Stop participating in the Enemy's staged political show.
Stop capitalizing "enemy". You do them too much honor.  Wink
67  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: A Bitcoin Lobbyist Firm to Represent Our Interests [Bounty: 4 BTC and growing] on: June 07, 2011, 03:03:53 AM
Have you talked to anyone at the EFF? They're not exactly lobbyists, but they're in a similar class (it's a 501(c)(3) org) and have similar goals. Their advice would probably be useful. Their methods (i.e., fighting unjust laws and regulations in the courts) might be a more effective way to protect rights relating to Bitcoin.

I believe they have decided to eschew bitcoin, however.
68  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bwtween 17-18 dollars the last several days on: June 07, 2011, 03:02:04 AM

69  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bwtween 17-18 dollars the last several days on: June 07, 2011, 02:16:06 AM
TBH, I wouldn't care a whole lot if it dropped all the way to $1.  I'd still be profitable compared to what I spent on my miners.

The real early adopters have that luxury. Some of us paid dearly (considering our salaries) to get in later in the game.  Tongue
70  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: So I spoke with Loretta Sanchez today about bitcoins... on: June 07, 2011, 01:41:16 AM
Hmmmn.  That's an interesting point.  You might be right, unless there's some other unguessed-at mechanic behind these aggressions.

I do not reject the possibility, but as I cannot speculate without veering into conspiracy theory, I will decline to speculate.
71  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Senator Charles Schumer Pushes to Shut Down Online Drug Marketplace on: June 07, 2011, 01:38:20 AM
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It's an online form of money laundering used to disguise the source of money, and to disguise who's both selling and buying the drug," said Schumer.

I suppose technically it could be considered money laundering because you can't trace the source of the money

I haven't actually read the laws, but from what I am given to understand, literally any financial transaction can technically be considered money laundering.
72  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: So I spoke with Loretta Sanchez today about bitcoins... on: June 07, 2011, 01:32:14 AM
You're assuming that a significant number of people will stop using it because the government tells them to. I think this assumption is less and less valid every day.
And you're assuming that the government won't allocate a huge portion of its ridiculous oppress-the-masses budget to turn bitcoin busts into the latest weed raid.

The war on drugs is already helping to bankrupt the Federal government, and it's about as effective at ending drug use as pissing in a bathtub is effective at lowering the tub's water level. A war on bitcoin would put a few people in jail, certainly. But the added cost to the state would only hasten the state's demise. I do not welcome or call for additional state aggression, but it must be recognized that the state is already overextended, and every new war it starts, whether on foreigners or its own people, makes it less effective at each war it persists in fighting.

And few things would win sympathy to the bitcoin community faster than political aggression against its users.
73  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: A Bitcoin Lobbyist Firm to Represent Our Interests [Bounty: 3 BTC and growing] on: June 07, 2011, 01:12:06 AM
Politics is a total waste of time and resources. We'll never beat the banksters through lobbying. I'm not telling you what to do, just telling you what will happen.

But even if it were possible I wouldn't want to get my hands dirty with the bribes we'd need to pay.
74  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Are you going to pay taxes? on: June 07, 2011, 01:09:00 AM
Nope. What the hell's the point of barter if the state's going to get a piece of it?
75  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is beggining to get "bad" publicity... on: June 07, 2011, 01:00:30 AM
Appeals to authority, unfounded assumptions, ad hominems, and non sequiturs abound in the above post. Oh, and name-calling. Considering that plus the amount of vitriol, I suspect trollage. And badly done trollage at that. Go back to YouTube.
76  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: New bitcoin logo on: June 04, 2011, 10:21:36 PM
Floww, I used your design for the "tip jar" at my website: http://fledgepress.com

I will send 10% or .2 BTC (whichever is more) of my first receipt to you. Or whenever that much accumulates. Thanks!  Grin
77  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is beggining to get "bad" publicity... on: June 04, 2011, 02:28:12 AM
My point was that Nozick didn't defend libertarian ideas very well at all in my opinion. I suppose I didn't make that clear.
78  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is beggining to get "bad" publicity... on: June 04, 2011, 02:00:10 AM
Unk, you seem to have missed my point: You assumed that we had not read Nozick. At least in my case, you assumed wrongly. That is all. I know that Nozick is thought to be a libertarian, and it's very clear that you aren't. I was under the impression that you were calling Nozick to the stand because he was a "libertarian" who argued for a minimal state, thus making him superior in your mind to anarchist (i.e., consistent) libertarians, or as you put it, he "argued better" than we did. I thought it reasonable to presume that you think he argued better than we because his position is closer to yours than ours, because it frankly makes no sense whatsoever to critique the argumentation style or quality of random people on the internet by referring them to a professional academic which you presume we have not read. Of course we aren't as good at presenting ideas as a professional academic. We're amateurs, at least most of us. It has nothing to do with who we have and haven't read.

In any case, Nozick is a poor choice for that. He was not a libertarian for most of his life. In fact he doesn't seem to have had any particular position on political ethics at all. His writings read more like "what if" maunderings than systematic treatments of any idea, positive or negative. From the time that he published Anarchy, State, and Utopia to the time of his death he had been a neoconservative, a social democrat, and an apathetic nihilist. I don't really care to mine the writings of such a muddle-headed and unprincipled thinker as he was for tips on how to present my ideology.
79  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is money laundering... according to some on: June 04, 2011, 01:47:12 AM
The UK leading the investigations/reactions to bitcoin is not good. I was kinda counting on the americans to go crazy about it first...

Me too. The UK usually beats the USA to new forms and extents of nanny statism, but other than that the USA is on the cutting edge of politically acceptable tyranny.
80  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is beggining to get "bad" publicity... on: June 04, 2011, 01:35:27 AM
I'm always wryly amused at how statists always think that libertarians couldn't possibly have read the works of people who support their position. "Read Nozick!" Because I couldn't possibly have read Nozick already and found his arguments to be insufficient to overcome objections which were so obvious to me that I came up with them without even having read the thorough (and heretofore unanswered) rebuttals published in response to him. No, I must be completely ignorant.  Cheesy
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