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To give an update about the blocked users:
- We had about 100 users that have been blocked, due to massive connections. Except a few (shubhank for example) that were giving several gigahashes to the pool, the majority only contributed a few megahashes, with a lot of connections (>1000).
- We're currently down to about 25 users with many connections. This is good news, as the load has reduced on the pool server, allowing me to shut down back-ends, which cost me money, money I will probably never get back. Most of the feedback I've received was positive, too bad we have a few trolls.... The others have been unblocked.
- I am occasionally unblocking everybody, so those that did not request an unblock will get an unblock anyway if they stopped their connections. However, as soon as the script runs again (currently once per 24h) the accounts going over the limit are blocked again.
- There surely are people that are doing honest work on the pool, compared to real botnets. However I cannot distinguish between them, that's why I'm enforcing a global rule for everybody to use only a limited amount of connections. These limits are high enough for any single miner to continue mining, but it is for me impossible to manage separated rules for everybody: that's why there will be no exceptions. Anyone can run a proxy server to run as many clients as they'd like.
- Shubhank008: it's nice to see that you can manage your users with just one server. But please do not underestimate the total load of all combined connections, plus the fact that not all miners are equally efficient
- Shubhank008: you're still welcome to mine on our pool, I've only paid you as an act of good faith, but we can continue this discussion on irc. I can give you details about the remaining connections.
Well kinlo, I was about to congratulate you for rectifying, but you still have many, many users with blocked payments for already mined blocks. And I still have not received all answers from involved users yet. So there may be more than the 25 you yourself recognize. Some of them, as you well know, have greater amounts owed that Shubhank008 had. It does not seem very fair to hold those amounts for such a long time just because your script correctly or incorrectly (as you yourself recognize) flags them as bots. And at any measure it is not a good practice at all, to hold payments for mined blocks. This should never be done at any pool. Will you be so kind to honor all users for all their mining work that has already been converted into coins, coins that you are still holding. Would you please pay what in all common sense is actually theirs, their share of work for already mined blocks? A recommendation here: clear payments for all accounts asap, pay all users what you owe them for all mined blocks, by now a high amount when you add up all users. You are not clean until you pay them all, kinlo. Then you may want to enforce your policies, whatever they are, crazy or not, but you should inform all miners before they open an account at your pool, that you will be from time to time holding payments for their share of mined blocks according to whatever crazy rules you are implementing. This will probably avoid any mistakes on their part as well. Inform them of your policies, crazy or not, so that they are aware of the risks they are taking when mining at your pool. As of today your miners are not informed when joining your pool. Until you do that it seems like a miners trap. |
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Good to hear you got paid shubhank008. Nobody should go through so much trouble, and so much time, to get paid. Will check with the rest of scammed users.
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Added 5,5GH/s to the pool. My Jalapeņo arrived yesterday.  More on the way.  Good luck with your new mining equipment, Pedro! Well i am in the pool about a year now and i don't have any problem. Always got my payments in time.
Well, good luck as well. Feel free to contact me if you get any problems mining there. Specially when you have build a large minipool with many users as some of the scammed users had. |
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1. Kinlo said: Stop mining => Payout
Wrong, he is not honoring those requests. Many accounts have stopped mining for a few weeks now (0 hashes) and he is still blocking payouts and keeping their share of mined blocks. With doing that stuff, you are not hurting kinlo- you are hurting the whole pool which does not get any new hashing power!
Wrong, may be kinlo is hurting himself and his own pool by implementing these crazy practices and wrong judgements. Pool operators should pay for all mined work. No judgements from the operator, right or wrong, on already mined work which has already been converted into coins. It's good for miners to be aware of what's going on, it will help them out when choosing pools. kinlo is doing work against -supposed-to-be Botnet-Accounts
Wrong, he is not blocking "supposed" botnets, he is blocking payments. kinlo is trustworthy
Only as long as he pays all users for their mined work, he has not done that for several blocks in a row now, therefore he is not. |
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WTF.
They rightly claim with proof they have unpaid shares for mined blocks.
You should pay those asap.
After that you may want to deal with and close all accounts that you "yourself" consider are botnets.
I can assure many of them are not! I have seen several setups which are not. You are making the wrong assumptions.
Just a recommendation here: pay for all mined work. No judgements from the operator, right or wrong, on already mined work which has been converted into coins.
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adara, again you speak without knowing the truth. All miners that have stopped mining have been unblocked. So if they don't like what I do, they stop mining and they get their funds. You are spreading FUD and plain lies.
And again, cleaning up botnets is good for everyone. Those that are serious about mining will appreciate that.
Seriously, do you really think that I would just keep funds of anybody? I would be out of business very quickly.
The rules are clear: no botnets. And I don't need to write that in an AUP or anything, unless you are completely clueless, you will agree.
Just telling people the truth, kinlo. I am sure, they are interested on it. And sure, you are keeping funds corresponding to other miners work for several blocks in a row now. I have seen several accounts on exactly the same situation as the screenshot posted by shubhank008. Or are you telling me they are all liars? You are keeping their shared mining for already mined blocks to yourself. Period. And yes, if you continue with these practices, you are completely right that you will be out of business soon. So just proceed with honesty and pay for their share of the work! |
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shubhank008: it's very simple. You still have > 100 cpu miners on our pool. Yes you removed most of them, but only when they are ALL gone I unlock your account. Same rule for everybody: having hundreds of cpu miners is not something I can allow therefore your account will only be unblocked when they are gone. All of them.
It seems many more miners are pissed off with your pool practices kinlo. A few more miners have contacted me at this point and they do not want this daily increasing theft to go away without the community noticing it. They are not spamming your pool and they are not cpu miners and they are not bots! You are very probably placing innocent miners on the same basket by mistake. You are certainly doing something wrong when looking at your stats and you are in fact keeping your miners work for yourself as you wish from block to block!No pool operator should keep others miners work for himself as you are doing, just after the blocks are found! This is work already mined into blocks and into coins. You are keeping these coins to yourself. You should first pay for this work to whoever mined it. Cpu miner or not, they have performed their work and contributed their share. After that, you may warn as you wish, cpu miners, low hashers and so on, as you say. Then close accounts as you wish! But in no case you should be keeping other people already mined shares for yourself. That's what shared mining is all about! The above user is a perfect example where you are letting a user mine and then keeping his work for yourself, i.e. you let him mine, then you accuse him of something and keep his work. WTF, no words for that, kinlo. And by the way, adding up this new user account to the list you are already keeping the equivalent of a few blocks for yourself and counting! Pay to all these people, then block their accounts as you wish! New miners: be aware of this f...g pool practices! There have been and continue to be many, many users with blocks mined and payments blocked at this point! |
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Sure, I will end this right here, because everything has been said by now.
Now, no op should block payments for already mined work in the first place.
Second, I do not know or have certainty if these accounts are botnets or not, and I do not really care. The fact is just that they have had their payments frozen for already mined work. I will agree on having methods for blocking botnets by the way, will not agree however on not releasing payments for already mined work. If the pool op keeps payments for this mining work for himself, well may be that's his own problem then.
The main point that should be clear for miners at this pool is that the op may choose to block payments at anytime just after blocks have been found, with any reasoning, valid or not, as he chooses. They should also be aware that this pool does not make automatic payments when blocks are found/confirmed. Therefore miners themselves mining here should just take note of that and decide whether to trust the operator or not. Regarding the bad luck streaks I will trust organoforti and his excellent work for the community to judge that.
There are many, many pissed off users out there. These are nice people and not criminals. I believe the op will end up eating up just a bit of his own medicine. But that's my personal opinion, of course.
End point.
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Kinlo, as the pool OP, could you please address the above questions. They are not fully addressed on your last post. I am sure miners are interested.
In addition very reputable members of this forum have sent me some private comms. They used to mine at your pool in the past but have now moved to other pools with much better results. It seems you have blocked a few accounts at your pool in the last few weeks. It also seems that you are keeping their mining revenue for you and you have not released payments for what they have actually mined? Since miners also have to pay their bills like electricity and so on, I am sure they are not happy about that. Can you please explain to the miners of your pool in what cases will you be keeping their mining work for your own benefit? Why are you keeping their revenues to yourself?
Can you please open up the policies and practices of your pool?
Your clarification will be appreciated.
The name of a minipool can be anything. It's not because they put anything in their name that they actually are those people or that they have bad intentions. If we look at the "bad luck" streak, then the most important thing to remember is that this is not normal, just enlarged because we are not a big pool. Every pool has these bad luck streaks, but if our hashrate would be 10 TH, it would be over in a day and nobody would even remember. It's just because we are a small pool that it *looks* like we're a bad luck pool, while in fact we are not, we've had many good rounds. Also important to remember is that bitcoin mining has no "memory". Bad or good luck from the past does NOT influence the future. I can understand that people are moving away, but they are doing so because they *think* the pool is bad. If you look at the hard numbers, it isn't. If you know how statistics work, if you fully understand the math, it is actually a bad move to go away. There aren't a lot of pools that are this rewarding in the long term. You just have to think about long term commitment, and have to remember that luck on a pool has no memory. If you poolhop, you will probably always loose, you will join when the pool is lucky (but then it's already too late, you've missed the biggest effect of the good luck) or you will leave when it's bad luck (but then you will leave at a point where you definitely made a loss, while due to the no-memory property, you will just maximize your losses and removing all chances on fully profiting from a good luck streak) As for the blocking of users and keeping their funds: it has to be very clear that we do not keep funds for ourselves. To go back to your first question: there are people that are doing bad things for the pool. You shouldn't look at their pool name or the amount of members of their minipool (which basically says nothing), but at their mining behaviour, something we can see as pool admins but are not visible in any stats. It is true that there are some people abusing the pool by overloading the poolservers with requests. You should know that we as triplemining are taking active steps against those abusers. It is only those clients that you should worry about, because every time we need to serve a request to an abuser, is one less request we can take from an honest, good miner. While we currently are having enough capacity to handle the requests, it would be a bad thing not to take any action, as those abusers would just grow and would cause bad performance for everybody. Do note the use of the word performance, it should not have a great influence on luck as miners should retry to submit results if it fails the first time. Unfortunately, it just doesn't work to politely ask people to stop abusing the pool. That would be like asking thieves not to steal, but just let them go on stealing. That would just encourage more people to steal So we need to do something more drastically, and unfortunately I know no other way than to temporary block their payouts. It is very important to know that this is a measurement we are forced to take, and that we do not like doing this. As soon as the abuse stops on our pool, we always release the lock, so all funds are back available to these people. As some are really abusing our service, I must say that in a way we are too nice to these people, but I do not want to give any person the impression that we are stealing anything, and there might be cases where people just don't know they are doing something wrong, so I'm giving everybody the benefit of the doubt. We just ask that they set up a proxy server, so they can pay themselves for the processing power it requires server-side, and that they actually move all their clients to their own server. And all means all, we do are very strict at that point, but it is in everybody's interest: they can continue doing what they want, and they will no longer hurt the pool Does this answer all of your questions? Well kinlo, I think your answer says everything. You are in your own words judging between as you say "honest" miners and "bad performance" miners, "thieves" as you say, or in other words "expensive low hash miners for your pool available resources". But may be you are making the wrong judgment? The miners that we are talking about are not junior miners, I assure. And you also recognize to be blocking payments just after blocks have been found and miners have performed work, which you should not be doing in any case. First pay for mined work, then warn if you need to do so, provide proof and then block any accounts for future mining if you really feel you need to do that. Since your pool does not immediately pay when a block is found as some other pools do, it's easy stuff for you to do funny things, pay as you wish and to whom you wish, right? At least now people know (in your own words) they are at risk when mining at your pool. You never know what's going to happen after a block has been found (probably taking a week or more at your current speed). May be by surprise they login and pum, your account has been frozen, your payment on hold, never know, right? The op guy looked at their mining behavior in his non-visible stats and judged they do not deserve payment for their work, they should either install some proxy soft, becoming in fact their own server, to save pool resources or eat shit? is that it? Now, thanks to the miners that contacted me, we have jointly accessed those accounts at your pool and, as you very well know, you are still keeping their funds and payments are blocked and freezed on several accounts. So you are not being an honest guy when you say you always unlock. And this even when they have stopped mining at your pool for several weeks now (0 hashes should mean no damage at all to your pool resources). In plain English you are keeping the funds to yourself. You mention that you are "too nice" to them, but at the same time you are blocking their payments and calling them thieves, which for you, as I understand, it means stealers of your pool resources. Now, who is the real thief here? In the name of these honorable miners and all miners of the world, do release all the pending payments to these guys for the mining work they have as a matter of fact performed. Then block their accounts as you wish, they are long gone and they do not care! And by the way kinlo, for a pool of your size, low hashing and "low performers" should be a majority. Just by looking at your visible stats, this is the case, so you should better make it ready to accept many more of those if you want your so-called minipools to succeed. And regarding your "bad luck streaks" another "old friend of yours" that just PM'ed me wanted to mention that he's still throwing squid when remembering the "bad luck streak" that your pool had during the weeks previous to block halving in November. It seems math has no place in your pool at some very specific periods. So kinlo, WTF, it seems you have been handing around quite a bit of shit and a few nightmares to your own miners for sometime now... Hopefully you will change the way you are doing things. |
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it's because of our bad luck streak. Some people do not fully understand how the math works, and think it is unsafe to mine at our pool
However, it is nonsense to leave the pool, it's very important to remember that mining has no memory. So the chance of finding a block is something you cannot predict
It's not because we have had our share of bad luck that this influences the future, the chance of finding several quick rounds now remains equally high as ever.
We always closely monitor the pool, if there was something wrong, we would immediately take action, so keep mining! Remember, in the long run, this reward system does reward fairly!
Hi there kinlo. Could you please further explain your "bad luck streak" as you say it, during this week: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=77000.msg2348461&b=7#msg2348461 and also during the previous week? How many times has this happened to your pool? Are those numbers mathematically reasonable? Also can you explain why your pool goes from 300-350Ghs to 600-750Ghs then back to 190-200GHs in just a matter of days/weeks? Finally I see that hackforums and Russia are among your top miners. Can you reassure your miners that they are mining in good company here? Kinlo, as the pool OP, could you please address the above questions. They are not fully addressed on your last post. I am sure miners are interested. In addition very reputable members of this forum have sent me some private comms. They used to mine at your pool in the past but have now moved to other pools with much better results. It seems you have blocked a few accounts at your pool in the last few weeks. It also seems that you are keeping their mining revenue for you and you have not released payments for what they have actually mined? Since miners also have to pay their bills like electricity and so on, I am sure they are not happy about that. Can you please explain to the miners of your pool in what cases will you be keeping their mining work for your own benefit? Why are you keeping their revenues to yourself? Can you please open up the policies and practices of your pool? Your clarification will be appreciated. |
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Finally I see that hackforums and Russia are among your top miners. Can you reassure your miners that they are mining in good company here?
WTF? This isn't a social club. It's a place where miners pool resources. Apart from implying that Russians are not good company (which anyone having had a vodka fuelled evening with a Russian traveller will tell you is just plain wrong), no one really care where other miners are from, or if they are nice people. They care if other miners can contribute valid hashes to the pool. I suggest you do the same, wherever you mine. One of my best friends is russian by the way. A great guy. So that agreed, a clarification from the pool operator on the questions arised will be much appreciated. |
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I must say that this information is volatile and not relevant for a global pool list. It is valid and good information to have, and I'm happy to contribute to it, but perhaps we should make a separate post with these details, not try to incorporate this in the main list.
Why not being open and provide all the data so that users are informed? It seems that the data requested will be usefull for the community. The Mining List already has a lot of data in it - putting in another column means removing another one, and I think they're all useful. Also, editing the bbcode tables is a hassle. It's easy to break them, and this sort of data is apt to change regularly. It would be better for this data to be in a separate thread, so that the Mining Pools list is not adversely affected. Plus I don't really have time. If you want to try your hand at it, I'll be happy to give any advice I can. Seems like a great idea to have this data in a separate thread. It will be nice also that the pool operators provide it so that the community can benefit from it. |
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I must say that this information is volatile and not relevant for a global pool list. It is valid and good information to have, and I'm happy to contribute to it, but perhaps we should make a separate post with these details, not try to incorporate this in the main list.
Why not being open and provide all the data so that users are informed? It seems that the data requested will be usefull for the community. |
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it's because of our bad luck streak. Some people do not fully understand how the math works, and think it is unsafe to mine at our pool
However, it is nonsense to leave the pool, it's very important to remember that mining has no memory. So the chance of finding a block is something you cannot predict
It's not because we have had our share of bad luck that this influences the future, the chance of finding several quick rounds now remains equally high as ever.
We always closely monitor the pool, if there was something wrong, we would immediately take action, so keep mining! Remember, in the long run, this reward system does reward fairly!
Hi there kinlo. Could you please further explain your "bad luck streak" as you say it, during this week: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=77000.msg2348461&b=7#msg2348461 and also during the previous week? How many times has this happened to your pool? Are those numbers mathematically reasonable? Also can you explain why your pool goes from 300-350Ghs to 600-750Ghs then back to 190-200GHs in just a matter of days/weeks? Finally I see that hackforums and Russia are among your top miners. Can you reassure your miners that they are mining in good company here? |
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oh come on (just one face palm)... newbies - start with slush (the guy who invented pool mining - https://mining.bitcoin.cz) then move on from there if you want. Slush, without doubt is a much better pool. Hint: look at the variance on the reports. I did read the reports and mostly people want to find out what the current pool luck is from these charts and he said is working on just that. So from my understanding that I am not wrong in saying that mostly it is about the luck of the pool finding blocks,and you are trying to tell me otherwise You have the Newb status Not Me I started at slush and moved on You can't let this die sounds like old miner problems There are other Crypto Currency out there guy sheez, and I change the topic of this Thread anyways so what else do you want? Hope you are still mining bitcoins and having fun Your friend Bitcoin Extra I am probably not getting those numbers am I.  Everything fine here man! Alive and mining, friend! I saw you changed the subject to a quite nice: Shutting down pool. Great decision! Read and move on man! Get those miners digging deep! |
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oh come on (just one face palm)... newbies - start with slush (the guy who invented pool mining - https://mining.bitcoin.cz) then move on from there if you want. Slush, without doubt is a much better pool. Hint: look at the variance on the reports. |
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Hey bitcoinsextra, you did not read the reports it seems!
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Everyone has a few problems mining but thanks to community helped get them fixed Let it be then, let the community get it fixed. Doesn't always work that way... Not always as it should, of course, hopefully most of the time it will. |
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Everyone has a few problems mining but thanks to community helped get them fixed Let it be then, let the community get it fixed. |
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Thanks a lot bitcoinsextra!
Your friends are warned anyway!
If you want to earn extra bitcoins as your name implies you better mine elsewhere as stats and math demonstrates! Math never lies!
But may be you are just a masochistic fan or have a relationship with the pool operator.
Anyhow the numbers speak by themselves and by the way I know quite a few of pro miners that are very dissapointed with this pool!
Fewer bitcoinsextra is what you will get. Enjoy them while you can!
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