I downloaded last version of swing coin wallet for windows, why this wallet make a continuous upload stream of 400kb/s that saturated my (unfortunatelly low) upload bandwidth ?
Honestly I don't know. Are you staking? Maybe locking the wallet will help? Try encrypting then keeping the wallet locked, you're staking until you do so. It could also just be you uploading the blockchain to other peers, or passing on your peer list. If it was constant while you were checking I would guess either you were staking or uploading the blockchain to someone else. |
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Is there a working pool?
I do not want a multi pool
Looking around it seems most have removed Swing. Solo mining, staking, and buying appear to be the best options currently. Was able to find a pool last night. Directed miner towards it. Thanks Nice! Which pool? |
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Is there a working pool?
I do not want a multi pool
Looking around it seems most have removed Swing. Solo mining, staking, and buying appear to be the best options currently. |
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Is this the latest window wallet for download? v1.0.0.1
Thanks
Yup, that's it. |
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Swing coin is swinging nicely, I'm very happy with my investment I got to say, giving me a solid return every day. It's the only POS coin that has very stable price and brilliant inflation control because of the unique algorithm no other coin possesses. Thank you dev.
What does you mean about unique algorithm? SAh256 is not Unique. beside algorithm at POS phase is not important and has not any influence on earning. I think he meant the reward schema. |
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Swing coin is swinging nicely, I'm very happy with my investment I got to say, giving me a solid return every day. It's the only POS coin that has very stable price and brilliant inflation control because of the unique algorithm no other coin possesses. Thank you dev.
I agree fully. As for the price, SWING already cheaper will not. Coins is not enough, dev reliable and large community. 10k sat definitely we see  Yeah pretty much. I usually don't like to talk price but I don't think 10k would be that difficult to achieve. We've seen a very strong floor and there's been plenty of accumulation time. All it would take for Swing to go up a few thousand satoshis in value (or more) is someone deciding to move the price. Right now there's only 2.77 BTC worth of swing for sale between current price and 10k. A trader with an average sized wallet could move the floor up pretty easily. People seem to be realizing this too judging by the recent price increases. It's getting harder to get Swing cheap I think.
On a related note, I've been working towards getting a small office / workstations for my startup business. When I'm able to achieve this I will have a nice environment setup specifically for working with blockchains. The benefits of that are pretty obvious, but to be clear it would allow me to build upgrades for swing and do testing a lot more effectively. We will find out in a few months if our submission for a $50k grant gets approved. Till then we're digging for smaller investors that might be able to help us pay for the work environment sooner and allow for prototyping to happen. To be clear I am not asking for seed money from you guys, I'm dealing with standard investment avenues for now. Nor is the company based around Swing. However, it is blockchain based which would allow me to grow into a much better dev for Swing. I just wanted to give you guys a feel for where my focus has been lately, and how that focus ties back into Swing. Slow and steady wins the race. |
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still waiting on the date of profile update dev
What? I don't follow sorry. Can you explain? |
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So traditionally when writing the rewards code in an altcoin it looks like this
@Blocks X - Z:
reward = indendedOutput * Coin
intendedOutput=number you want to be rewarded for that block
Coin is usually dismissed and not thought about.
After we started having issues I dug into it and it turns out Coin is only used to format the rewards section in a more sensible manner.
Coin = 100000000 (adds 8 0's to your coin amount)
So, if we want a reward of 1 coin:
reward = 1 * Coin
But in reality this pushes 100000000, which is sent to be formatted and turns into 1.00000000
So when I tried to do something like:
9.87 * coin, we get issues. Functions like this are only accurate to a certain decimal place in programming.
Instead of 987000000, we get 987000000.00000011920928955078125
While most operating systems would round this particular example to 987000000 automatically, not all results &or operating systems round so cleanly.
So rounding errors like this is some higher (lower?) level computer science voodoo that I honestly wasn't aware of, and didn't show up in my testing.
It can be fixed, but that's the biggest issue facing swing currently.
(On a side note, most altcoins forking issues are caused by this. Lots of devs never figure out the cause and it's killed tons of coins.)
Fortunately I learned of rounding errors thanks to the dev lounge in my slack group, and had a computer based PHD student / friend help me dissect the code to see exactly where things were going wrong.
Also the resulting issues aren't too severe for us (yet). I don't think we are in much danger of catastrophic failure, just minor annoyances.
A side note, if you want to help with core development in Swing reach out to me!
More casually helping people holding Swing and a basic understanding of development = Faster / Better / Cooler upgrades.
Only know how to code? I'm happy to share core development basics. You don't have to understand the entire core to work on an altcoin.
If we want Swing to thrive, we need devs more than anything else.
I'll keep trying to make progress solo in the meantime.
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Let me give some insight. I've recently been digging into what happens with the rewards when they are calculated, and exactly what's going on when getting calculated. With the current setup, that process looks something like this: Note that the final reward amount is later formatted. So 975000000 would become 9.75000000Block Count: 975 Last Three Digits: 975 Decimal: 9.75 Final:975000000
Block Count: 976 Last Three Digits: 976 Decimal: 9.76 Final:976000000
Block Count: 977 Last Three Digits: 977 Decimal: 9.77 Final:977000000
Block Count: 978 Last Three Digits: 978 Decimal: 9.78 Final:977999999.99999988079071044921875
Block Count: 979 Last Three Digits: 979 Decimal: 9.790000000000001 Final:979000000.00000011920928955078125
Block Count: 980 Last Three Digits: 980 Decimal: 9.8 Final:980000000.00000011920928955078125
Block Count: 981 Last Three Digits: 981 Decimal: 9.81 Final:981000000
Block Count: 982 Last Three Digits: 982 Decimal: 9.82 Final:982000000
Block Count: 983 Last Three Digits: 983 Decimal: 9.83 Final:983000000
Block Count: 984 Last Three Digits: 984 Decimal: 9.84 Final:984000000
Block Count: 985 Last Three Digits: 985 Decimal: 9.85 Final:985000000
Block Count: 986 Last Three Digits: 986 Decimal: 9.86 Final:986000000
Block Count: 987 Last Three Digits: 987 Decimal: 9.870000000000001 Final:987000000.00000011920928955078125
Block Count: 988 Last Three Digits: 988 Decimal: 9.88 Final:988000000.00000011920928955078125
For the sake of clarity i re-coded the process in java for faster debugging. (im just better at java is all, but java may produce slightly different results is the point) So what I discovered is that somewhere else in the code the decimal is inserted into a full number with 9+ digits. The end result in this section of code that gets passed out looks something like '9.87 * COIN' (=987000000). Me attempting to put in the decimal during the reward calculation instead of letting it do it after results in some unnecessary math. Math that doesn't always turn out clean, and leaves room to lose accuracy when clipping/rounding the final result to a full number.
We need to re-code this section so results like this:
Block Count: 987 Last Three Digits: 987 Decimal: 9.870000000000001 Final:987000000.00000011920928955078125
Instead act like this:
Block Count: 987 Last Three Digits: 987 Final:987000000Now, this is an example of POS. POW gets a little more challenging since rewards need to be multiplied by 10%.. 20%.. 30%.. etc.. But I'm working on doing that cleanly too. But that's essentially where we have room for core upgrades and cleaning up the internal math for increased accuracy. So that should give you guys a little better idea at what I've been looking at. Will post more later as I make progress. |
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Looks like it's back on track.
I've got a little more free time now. I'm going to resume looking into core upgrades and will try to post about progress.
The process looks like this
[✓] Identify problems
[✓] Identify potential solutions
[Partial] Code upgrades
[Partial] Test upgrades in simulation environments
[X] Work upgrade into core
[X] Test upgraded code across multiple clients
[X] Decide on fork method (hard or soft)
[X] Allow community to do a code-review of the proposed update
[X] Set fork date
[X] Notify Services and Exchanges
[X] Push new version
Yep, it's working again... my wallet is staking now. Awesome to hear about the new core upgrade roadmap. What exactly is going to be changed or added to the core? So basically the way it does the reward math is a little shitty and causes rounding errors. It sometimes results in weird reward output that can get rounded differently on different operating systems (causing disagreement across the network). Unfortunately I didn't do enough cross-platform testing pre-launch to identify this as a potential problem. The result is some users not on linux falling out of sync, and needing to re-download the chain occasionally. It's also probably the cause of blockchain freezes like we just experienced. I think we've had that happen twice now. The fix is to clean up the math so it outputs clean amounts for every block reward, and doesn't leave it up to the operating system to decide how to finalize the numbers. I'll be sure to put clear examples of any potential changes, showing the exact results that will change. I'll also show the code proposals so the more tech-savvy users can dissect and give feedback. I think I made a post a while back that makes this a little clearer. I'll try to dig it up and quote. |
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PM those involved, this isn't really a meta issue.
This is what .?. the third time Altcoin4Life 's name has come up recently in regards to hacked accounts. He's pretty irrelevant to this post. Not sure why you felt the need to make that comment. PM those involved, this isn't really a meta issue.
I've sent them a PM, however I want a post to keep track and allow them to communicate should they want. I'll try to have it moved if you can suggest a better topic. I think you're wrong though. Meta is for "Discussion about the Bitcoin Forum". That's a pretty close fit to this topic if you ask me. Reputations https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=129.0 (right next door to Scam Accusations https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0 ) would be a better fit. Sorry about your account - interesting about Altcoin4Life - even if you can't see the connection. Thanks, I didn't know that existed. I guess I should have looked harder. Unfortunately I can't move this thread by myself as far as I know. If any mod sees this, will you please move?I'd rather not make multiple threads as that's spammy. Side note, I do see the connection. I was just pointing out that it's an indirect connection and not highly relevant to the topic of this thread. |
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PM those involved, this isn't really a meta issue.
This is what .?. the third time Altcoin4Life 's name has come up recently in regards to hacked accounts. He's pretty irrelevant to this post. Not sure why you felt the need to make that comment. PM those involved, this isn't really a meta issue.
I've sent them a PM, however I want a post to keep track and allow them to communicate should they want. I'll try to have it moved if you can suggest a better topic. I think you're wrong though. Meta is for "Discussion about the Bitcoin Forum". That's a pretty close fit to this topic if you ask me. |
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Hey all, I'm making this thread mostly for me and a few people I'll be contacting. I also need to to be visible so my Swing holders can keep updated. My account was stolen, then recovered by a lender. During the time it was stolen a few eagle eyed members left warning rep on my profile. This was the right thing to do and I thank them, but now that I've recovered my account I'm looking to get the -Rep updated to show that this account is no longer compromised. I will be posting all of the rep that I believe needs to be updated here, and updating the status of each as I hear back from the users. I'm going to be directing said users to this thread just to keep things organized. Here's the proof of recovery. -----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE----- This is murderouskirk posting from murderouskirk. Altcoin4Life has returned my account! 11:44PM EST 1/20/2016 - \o/ Hooray! -----BEGIN SIGNATURE----- 1E6soVzn7Z5NGguwD9sZfXkVmn8a51Cg71 H/tljcNY6VUWgEy7UB0S3m+hH24CNXCgnGByl81j/Oi6DFNJWGS7Y7Mfxr/9I66xLugx4kkpcxBieWvDDrPYbqc= -----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE----- Location of addy: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1164721.msg12788990#msg12788990Here's details of the recovery process: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1343710.msg13735285#msg13735285Here's the rep reports I'm hoping to get updated.
suchmoon:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=234771This trust rating has been revised from negative. Original text: ---- Hacked account then pseudo-sold via a loan. Does not belong to its original owner. ---- Update: Contacted me back, has kindly updated the rep to show that the account has been returned. Thanks!
EcuaMobi:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=169515Most probably hacked account "sold" through a defaulted loan. Rep has been updated. Thanks!
shorena: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=181801Possibly bought account. Rep has been updated. Thanks!
james.lent:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=396480Hacked account, trade with caution. A note, this one was added only after I had recovered my account, so I have not left him +Rep with the others below. I will leave +Rep if / when he updatesUpdate: I have left +Rep on james.lent after he agreed to update his rep report.Update: Has contacted me back, currently will not change the rep but is considering it based on feedback from whoever he decides to discuss it with.Update 2: Agreed that the rep has false implications, said he will update. Thanks!
hashgoalPool:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=710962account hacked Update: Has contacted me back, was initially unsure what I was referring to. Waiting on reply.Update 2: Removed the neg rep. Thanks!
Joel_Jantsen:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=560412Attempted to Scam me by asking to send 0.50 bitcoins first falsely claiming he has been scammed by master p for 2btc.He is possibly an alt of alison03.Trading with him is highly not recommended. Rep has been updated. Thanks!
end_tomorow:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=342916i think scammer Has not responded. Is the last one requiring an update.
flagpara:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=648911Everything is detailed in the post. Thx for the vigilante always watching. Rep has been updated. Thanks!
The following users have received +Rep from me for leaving correct warnings on my profile while it was out of my hands.
suchmoon 0: -0 / +1 2016-02-07 0.00000000 Reference Correctly identified my account as compromised and placed warning rep on it. Thanks suchmoon!
EcuaMobi 59: -0 / +9 2016-02-07 0.00000000 Reference Correctly identified my account as compromised and placed warning rep on it. Thanks EcuaMobi!
shorena 19: -0 / +3 2016-02-07 0.00000000 Reference Correctly identified my account as compromised and placed warning rep on it. Thanks shorena!
hashgoalPool 0: -0 / +1 2016-02-07 0.00000000 Reference Correctly identified my account as compromised and placed warning rep on it. Thanks hashgoalPool!
Joel_Jantsen 0: -0 / +1 2016-02-07 0.00000000 Reference Correctly identified my account as compromised and placed warning rep on it. Thanks Joel_Jantsen!
end_tomorow -1: -1 / +1 2016-02-07 0.00000000 Reference Correctly identified my account as compromised and placed warning rep on it. Thanks end_tomorow!
flagpara 0: -0 / +1 2016-02-07 0.00000000 Reference Correctly identified my account as compromised and placed warning rep on it. Thanks flagpara!
Lutpin 3: -0 / +4 2016-02-07 0.00000000 Reference Correctly identified my account as compromised and placed warning rep on it, then promptly removed -Rep after it was recovered. Thanks Lutpin!
mexxer-2 12: -0 / +5 2016-02-07 0.00000000 Reference Correctly identified my account as compromised and placed warning rep on it, then promptly removed -Rep after it was recovered. Thanks mexxer-2!
james.lent 0: -0 / +1 2016-02-08 0.00000000 Reference Correctly identified my account as compromised and placed warning rep on it. Thanks james.lent!
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Looks like it's back on track.
I've got a little more free time now. I'm going to resume looking into core upgrades and will try to post about progress.
The process looks like this
[✓] Identify problems
[✓] Identify potential solutions
[Partial] Code upgrades
[Partial] Test upgrades in simulation environments
[X] Work upgrade into core
[X] Test upgraded code across multiple clients
[X] Decide on fork method (hard or soft)
[X] Allow community to do a code-review of the proposed update
[X] Set fork date
[X] Notify Services and Exchanges
[X] Push new version
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I doubt you would do that ever.
Why? That's pretty cynical of you, not that i really blame you for being that way in the world of bitcoin I guess. Half is only 0.065, so far I've given him all the bitcoin I have (0.011). Not a huge stretch of the imagination or wallet to think I might pass .054+ his way in the future (~$20 USD). Also like I said in another post I can respect you pointing out the possibilities. I was just showing the holes in the possibilities you presented. |
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Thanks guys  Today I'm very busy. I need to finish up the final round of applications for funding in a startup corporation I'm involved with. Once I get past this I'll try to do some more work with Swing. Again, thank you all for your support. |
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Altcoin4Life I have sent you all of my bitcoin. I only had 0.01108945. I understand this is laughably small. I'll send more your way as I get it. I just didn't felt that it is any serious issue but it so annoying as I see people putting it all over the lender.I mean what the fuck did the developer learned in his years of crypto experience if he is unable to prevent a simple hack ?
He is running a Coin and suddenly a gap of 2 weeks ?
However,the password is changed for the first time on 6th and if that was the time of hack then what the heck was the hacker waiting for and why wanted to pull off the scam while hacking it 8 days before ? Doesn't makes sense.
Lets assume the above reset was done by dev itself and he had complete control on the account.The next reset is on 13th and just one day before the loan,its not a single reset but was done thrice.However the user/hacker tried to scam in a variety of ways and urged others to send first.I am pretty sure all this process might have involved several pm's and he might have also received a pm from Altcoin4Life too(can be confirmed) but afaik you receive a pm notification to your e-mail but the dev ignored/missed this too ? lol but he is suddenly active as the loan is processed.I don't find this story to be a coincidence but i wouldn't conclude that he a pulled a scam.
If the dev would have been active in the mean time then he could have reported and no one would have ever loaned the hacker,right ? but you reported right after the loan was processed.Not convincing.
You're making some failed assumptions. Why would the intruder fail to change my email? If it was still tied to my original email address (which i have access to) I probably would have been able to get back in. BitcoinTalk does not email you when your email address has been changed. Try it yourself if you don't believe me. (It's a little absurd I know..) The last email I got from a message was 12/17/15 from one of my holders discussing volume. I got nothing after that and especially didn't get emails containing the intruders PM's... And in regards to He is running a Coin and suddenly a gap of 2 weeks ?
Swing doesn't pay the bills man. I've been trying to find an income for myself. You don't have to be employed with a quality job and 100% free time to make a cryptocurrency. It was a nice try but you'll have to do better to put together a logical accusation against me.
Also, I have removed the neg's left on users like Mexxer etc.. done by the intruder. I took a screenshot of those that left me warning negs and will be adding +Rep to anyone that correctly placed a warning on the account before the account was returned. |
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Please lock this thread. Thanks!
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