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61  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: December 03, 2018, 12:18:55 PM
I wished that someone would develop a clon that would be consistently oriented towards benefits, i.e. integrate a decentralised, uncensurable marketplace into the project.

The currency is distributed through discounts on goods and services sold. Both the dealer and the customer benefit from this.

Such a project would quickly become very popular.
Something like https://bitify.com/, in contrast to it however censorship resistant and free of charge.

Don't none of you know any capable programmers who want to earn a lot of money with a coin project that can finally be used?  Cool

I doubt that such shops really have a big impact. It's just that the willingness to pay with crypto currencies is low because everyone speculates on it. That's one of the biggest problems of all. You can see it well at Bitcoin. The number of ways to pay with Bitcoin has increased considerably in the last two years, but some shops have already abolished the payment method because there was little interest. Why should it be any different at Byteball?
A decentralized, non-censurable marketplace should, of course, offer products and services that are not available through the regulated Fiat markets.
This is still a real market gap, in the sense of real cryptoanarchists (yes, there should be in the flood of speculators, and in the end they are the ones who give the crypto currencies a value at all).

"Because of this, Braun criticizes the emphasis that bitcoin supporters often place on mainstream adoption, arguing that many newcomers within the industry do not share the cryptocurrency’s underlying political ramifications.

“I’m not criticizing that more people use it per se, but they kind of water it down and then the whole revolutionary aspect gets lost,” Braun said."

https://www.coindesk.com/crypto-anarchists-are-building-tools-to-resist-the-state-in-eastern-europe

The dream of many Cryptos, like Byteball, to enter the mass market is far from reality (and you recognize this quite rightly).
The mass of sheep stays with Fiat and buys further on ebay and amazon with paypal and credit card.

Cryptoanarchists (and only they can really do anything with free(!) crypto currencies) are urgently looking for a solution for an unregulated market.

The unregulated market is growing exponentially. There you only pay with crypto currencies.
Unfortunately, there are so far only centralized solutions that do not cover the full range of possibilities and are expensive and vulnerable.

Those who are not as stupid as the Byteball team and align themselves accordingly will have catapulted a clone of this project very quickly into the Top 10.
62  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: December 02, 2018, 09:14:43 PM
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Max Kordek (or actually Lisk Foundation) owns 17 377.989853045 GByte
You continue to demonstrate your ignorance
https://blog.lisk.io/financial-report-2016-7e68cdd13b12 Dec 31, 2016
https://explorer.byteball.org/#XCQ3LC6BSRGLPKC6LDQBTHZBKHLGIS5B  62242 GByte Dec 1, 2018

Not sure why these numbers don't match, but 62k is still 9.4% of current circulation supply and 6.2% of total supply.

If he did buy 45k as additional for the Lisk Foundation then it's great, at least someone influential believes in Byteball and doesn't come to whine here all the time.

Seems they did get more because 2017 report shows more than 2016 https://blog.lisk.io/financial-report-may-2017-ee51f2a6570b
17377 GByte in the 1st round. There were 10 rounds.
Grin

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I wished that someone would develop a clon that would be consistently oriented towards benefits, i.e. integrate a decentralised, uncensurable marketplace into the project.

The currency is distributed through discounts on goods and services sold. Both the dealer and the customer benefit from this.

Such a project would quickly become very popular.
Something like https://bitify.com/, in contrast to it however censorship resistant and free of charge.

Don't none of you know any capable programmers who want to earn a lot of money with a coin project that can finally be used?  Cool
63  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: November 30, 2018, 04:08:44 PM
.. I started wondering why it is not famous!?
Because the benefit is missing and the team persistently refuses to develop one.
Instead, for months, one mischief has followed another. Of course without any coordination with the community (i.e. the people outside the filter bubble).

The project management's sense of reality is generally not very pronounced. So it took two years until they were able to change this unspeakable naming hopefully soon.

Sorry to hear that, I really liked the project idea.
The project idea is excellent. That's why I'm still here.
Only the team shines with arrogance and ignorance and an absurd misjudgement of reality.

This is no coincidence:
"Byteball Bytes price equal to 27.942 USD at 2018-11-30, but your current investment may be devalued in the future."
https://walletinvestor.com/forecast/byteball-bytes-prediction

Regularly the project could already be in the top 10 - if some maniacs didn't have the control.
64  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: November 30, 2018, 02:00:28 PM
.. I started wondering why it is not famous!?
Because the benefit is missing and the team persistently refuses to develop one.
Instead, for months, one mischief has followed another. Of course without any coordination with the community (i.e. the people outside the filter bubble).

The project management's sense of reality is generally not very pronounced. So it took two years until they were able to change this unspeakable naming hopefully soon.
65  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: November 30, 2018, 07:29:42 AM

Where did you get that 100% anonymous claim? Nothing is as black and white as 100% anonymous or 100% KYC. Bitcoin is also not 100% anonymous. Bytes are not 100% anonymous, blackbytes are anonymous (don't know what percentage). Even Monero is not 100% anonymous.


As far as I know Blackbytes are 100% anonymous, and they are so untrackable that this makes it in fact impossible to trade them on centralized exchanges.
On a decentralized market, where you can also buy goods and services for black bites, they are very easy to trade.
But the team is not interested in meaningful developments that massively increase the benefits.

The intention must be different.

KYC... unbelievable...

Hint to the speculators: A benefit also increases the value and thus also the price of the currency.
66  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: November 29, 2018, 11:05:56 PM
What tarmo888's hiding: With the again crazy distribution method people get bites that don't really do anything with it. - KYC sheep are only interested in Fiat.

I'm sure the team is aware of that. Which makes the suspicion stronger that these tricks are really about something completely different.

The team is obviously not interested in creating a benefit that ultimately leads to broad acceptance.
Proof:

This is not how it works, nobody forces you to use Byteball like government forces you to use the fiat. You pick whatever cryptocurrency that suits for you by doing the research what the coin is about. If you want sell your Blackbytes on something, go build that something or convince somebody else to build it for you. You are not convincing anybody at the moment because you think that you can force others to do something (also not how open-source works).
67  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: November 29, 2018, 09:16:48 PM
Instead of giving Byteballs for free, consider proven method with bounties
for articles, nodes, promo videos, guides, translations, etc.
That way you will atleast get some work done for the project.
Even better: For the development of a decentralized marketplace where I and thousands of my colleagues can finally sell goods against black bites.  Cool
68  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: November 29, 2018, 07:02:05 PM
Those who engage in this nonsense have no place in the Cryptoworld. - Basically they only want Fiat.
And where do the bites end up? - Exactly, with the whales.  Tongue

I, on the other hand, still can't sell anything against black bites.
Will that ever be possible? - I don't know.

.. Why are you even here, Byteball clearly doesn't fit with what you want, go buy some Monero.
I know, I know. Thank you for the reconfirmation.

@all
The team is fooling you as long as you don't fight this endless series of wrong decisions together.
69  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: November 29, 2018, 05:54:21 PM

That's very nice. Is there any date already set when this "game" to receive bytes will be launched? When will the rules be published?

Excellent, finally a next step in distribution and it seems like a fun way to manage it. Hopefully it will be limited to recently active wallets. Looking forward to see more how this will be working.

To spread the coin more evenly, it has to be aimed at recently created, active and creating brand new wallets.
Otherwise it goes to the whales. After all, mass adoption is aimed. Also - there is no push for creating
relay nodes, nor a complete guide how to do it.
Example, I'm willing to run such node, but i need a thorough guide, since Linux is not my main focus.

You forgot the fact that whales can create also new wallets and addresses, so this spreading coins to recently created ones has no effect, but distribution that has some kind of attestation gives somewhat control over not having the same people rewarded too many times.
I had a hunch: Only those who drop their pants (KYC) are allowed to play along.  Grin
70  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: November 29, 2018, 11:41:55 AM
The speculators will be thrilled.

I, on the other hand, still can't sell anything against black bites.
Will that ever be possible? - I don't know.

"Historical index for the Byteball Bytes price prediction: E
Byteball Bytes price equal to 30.126 USD at 2018-11-29, but your current investment may be devalued in the future."

https://walletinvestor.com/forecast/byteball-bytes-prediction

But bite ball is in good company.
Let's see which projects are the first to find their way out of their filter bubble and echo chamber.
71  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay OFFICIAL BITBAY Thread Smart Contracts Decentralized Markets Rolling Peg on: November 28, 2018, 10:29:54 AM
You have not clearly stated what kind of market/target you are talking about.
I am talking about producers whose purpose is not to finance state terrorism through taxes. These people need a suitable market place in combination with a suitable currency (keyword "untraceable").

They need a platform whose functionality and usability is comparable to ebay, amazon...

Of course the currency must not force anyone to load the blockchain.
And of course there must be a possibility to exchange this currency "untraceable" directly for Fiat (without KYC).
72  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay OFFICIAL BITBAY Thread Smart Contracts Decentralized Markets Rolling Peg on: November 27, 2018, 07:47:37 AM
Thanks for the answer, dzimbeck.
Obviously not suitable for my target group. At least not at the moment.
That is very unfortunate.

If the project could convince a critical spirit like me, this would also succeed with thousands of my colleagues and tens of thousands of customers.
A great base for all the awesome features of Bay. Once you use the program, you want to discover it more and more.

Regarding "untraceable" Byteball "Blackbytes" are the most convincing for me. No coin known to me is more similar to cash.

*** Translations
The first impression is given by the website.
Personally it didn't appeal to me very much because of a language that I find hard to understand. Much too much text.
It also doesn't become clear who the target group should be, and so Bay is on the same level as all the other coins: great promises, missing benefits.
73  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay OFFICIAL BITBAY Thread Smart Contracts Decentralized Markets Rolling Peg on: November 26, 2018, 10:40:53 PM
Bay is perfect for people who cannot get a Bank or PayPal account.
Bay is needed for those who cannot qualify for a credit card, etc.
Well, almost any cryptocoin is suitable for this target group, but most likely the one who is less complex and knows how to convey the facts in a few sentences. - Bitbay therefore probably not.

74  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay OFFICIAL BITBAY Thread Smart Contracts Decentralized Markets Rolling Peg on: November 26, 2018, 07:58:47 PM
Powered by Unbreakable Smart Contracts and a Proof of Stake 3.0 cryptocurrency, BitBay enables you to buy and sell goods and services securely and anonymously, without the need for middlemen.”
Bay is private? Untraceable?
If so, comparable to Monero? ZCash? Byteball "Blackbytes"? Or even better?
If that's the case, then you should emphasize that clearly.
There is a lot to read in your articles, but I can't find this important aspect for me and my customers anywhere. Maybe I misread it or didn't understand it completely.
It's also a bit tedious because English is not my native language. - It would be helpful to orient your website in this direction. Seven listed languages are not enough.

Bit Bay should/will be in the top 10 crypto’s once market shenanigans cease, or people decide for themselves to finally be free.
So if it doesn't work out, it's definitely others' fault.  Grin
As already mentioned: With wishful thinking the project does not get into the Top 10
75  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay OFFICIAL BITBAY Thread Smart Contracts Decentralized Markets Rolling Peg on: November 26, 2018, 10:39:04 AM
Bit Bay should/will be in the top 10 crypto’s - they just need users.
That's what this is all about.

I just wanted to help, because desire alone is not enough.
76  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay OFFICIAL BITBAY Thread Smart Contracts Decentralized Markets Rolling Peg on: November 26, 2018, 08:18:56 AM
@BitBayDoc

It's very simple:
If you choose the right target group for a product at the right time, this product will be a success.

So you don't have much freedom of choice if you want the product to be successful.

Apart from this hint I do not presume anything.  Wink
77  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay OFFICIAL BITBAY Thread Smart Contracts Decentralized Markets Rolling Peg on: November 26, 2018, 06:49:34 AM
Please do your homework before you start criticizing without deeper knowledge.
Start by reviewing the links provided by tradersnow above. Thank you.
Where do I criticize?
What I don't know I can't criticize. I'm waiting for the Bitbay market to be usable on Linux, only then can I criticize, and as I understood David, any criticism is very welcome.

It's about increasing the user base, and you can see that quite rightly. But that doesn't work if you focus on the wrong target group.
78  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay OFFICIAL BITBAY Thread Smart Contracts Decentralized Markets Rolling Peg on: November 25, 2018, 11:27:31 AM
Everything you say is right.
But it doesn't change the fact that NOW Cryptos are mostly interesting for speculators and the participants of unregulated markets. - Even if you don't like it, it's still reality.

What will happen sometime in ten years is something completely different again.

Who wants to create a basis not only for speculators orients itself at the concrete need.
It doesn't help anyone to offer the right product at the wrong time.

The merchant base of Open Bazaar by the way does not grow either. You may guess why not.
79  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay OFFICIAL BITBAY Thread Smart Contracts Decentralized Markets Rolling Peg on: November 25, 2018, 08:22:26 AM
And no, they do not need to focus on an unregulated black market for success.
This is currently the only market for merchants and consumers where cryptos are really needed.
So this is the target group on which the focus should be directed.

Once the people of the world wake up to what has been built and is available at Bay, I think Bay's success will be guaranteed.
Maybe, maybe not.
Knowing the people, they rather trust the propaganda of the state.

The IMF recommends state crypto currencies. When they come, the ideas of Bitbay and other cryptos are integrated very quickly - as long as they benefit the ruling class.

I don't want to hope that here in the management of Bitbay there are also such sectarians who have lost sight of reality.

Free, private currencies are compatible with unregulated markets.
Non-free, state currencies correspondingly with regulated markets.

Any other orientation in development and marketing is a waste of time and energy.

To make that clear: The exponentially growing unregulated markets have the potential to change the world positively. Among other things, they do not finance state global terror.
80  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay OFFICIAL BITBAY Thread Smart Contracts Decentralized Markets Rolling Peg on: November 20, 2018, 10:39:31 AM
In a few years there will be state crypto currencies and on this basis state-regulated blockchain solutions and smart contracts will be developed. At the latest then private coins will become completely uninteresting for the masses.

I can therefore only advise you once again to concentrate your marketing and advertising exclusively on that area for which private crypto currencies are indispensable: the unregulated market.

If you manage to make Bitbay as attractive to the unregulated market as ebay/amazon is to the regulated market, but without its limitations, the success of this project should be guaranteed.

It is interesting to note that even after one year Open Bazaar has not succeeded in attracting suppliers and customers from the centralized, unregulated markets. Why this is so should be analyzed...
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