Just to point out: most "invasions" do not immediately (or even eventually) mean that the invaders become the majority in the invaded land. It just means they become the occupying force -- the ones who make the rules under which society lives.

In today's Europe, Europeans are very proud to assert they have no death penalty. The truth is there is a death penalty for something as simple as drawing Mohammed. Europeans are just continuing to delude themselves about who makes and enforces the law.

But regarding the population statistics, someone should go to a few train stations in a few German cities and secretly record video of who walks by for an hour or so. Then everyone could simply count to get an estimate. I'm not there, but I expect anyone who claims the percent is either <= 5% or >= 50% will be wrong. I'll put my guess down as, oh, 15%. That might seem high, but there's clear evidence that the German government is purposefully hiding information about their policy. There's roughly 80 million people in Germany, so bringing in 10 million Muslims would increase the Muslim population by 10%. 1 million is the figure Germany admits, and we know the German government (and media) is willing to lie about it.

Anyone in Germany willing to do such an experiment? I'm not a lawyer, so it may be illegal to secretly video record people in a train station in Germany. Try to keep it secret.

Strange that they insist on fleeing to non-Muslim countries, when there are so many Muslim countries in the world. It's almost like "fleeing" isn't the real reason. I guess that the vast majority of "refugees" are young males should also be a clue.

Regarding the percentage of Muslims in France, it's worth pointing out that France purposefully does not collect these kinds of statistics. There's no way to really know the percentages. I looked up the estimates in the online "CIA Factbook" 7 or 8 years ago, and not since then. In any case, it's clear that any such estimates would be out of date given the current crisis.

France has had one of the highest Muslim populations for a while, as you noted. I seriously doubt the percentage is only 8% now. It'll be some time before we have accurate post-invasion figures.

But France needs Muslim immigrants. They shoot the cartoonists/Jews/concert-attendees that the French won't shoot. It would be a great loss to the multicultural fabric of France if such shootings went unshot.

You guys just need to be more tolerant of goat-fuckers who marry kids.

The police would probably do what they did in Cologne. Shrug and say, "there's nothing we can do."

It's going be to interesting to watch Germany undergo the transformation from a Muslim country in denial that it's a Muslim country, to a Muslim country that knows its a Muslim country.

No and No. Conspiracy theories are fun to entertain, but if you check my history you'll find I'm usually arguing against them (if I engage at all). Look at the "Who did 9/11?" thread. I also did a fun "Who did 7/7?" spoof.

There, I answered your questions. Here's one for you:

Do you believe there is credible evidence that Facebook, Twitter and Google are censoring the current immigration discussion in Germany?

(I'm not asking if that's a good or bad thing from your point of view. I'm asking if it's reasonable to believe it's happening.)

Well, you got two questions, so I'll try my luck at a second:

Over the last ten years, have there been more hate crimes committed by Muslims against Jews in Europe, or by Jews against Muslims in Europe?

I've given no indication that I'm bothered by being called a Jew. I usually don't acknowledge whether or not I'm a Jew. If it would bother someone if I were I Jew, I'd prefer that person be bothered. I responded to the "racist" charge earlier. No need to repeat myself.


Your anecdotal experiences are completely consistent with something I said earlier: most Muslims (like most Christians and most Jews) know very little about their religion. I'm sure Nazis and Jews could get along fine if the Nazis were incredibly ill-informed about their ideology.

There are explicit references to the extermination of the Jews in Islamic teaching. It would be conspiratorial to deny that fact. The best an apologist for Islam could do is acknowledge it and then explicitly try to reinterpret the relevant passages. The usual apologist for Islam has a simpler response: "Shut up racist!" Or, to stick with the topic of the thread, "Hallo, Herr Zuckerberg. Hier ist Frau Merkel. Wir mussen das Racist silencen! Silence macht frei!"


I don't agitate for people to be racist. Racism is a consequence of classifying people based on genetics. Islam (like Christianity) is independent of genetics. Islam is a system of beliefs. It is of course acceptable to hate people based on their ideas. It's a crazy idea to treat all ideas as equal. Judaism can confuse the issue because there are religious Jews and ethnic Jews. People can, of course, oppose the ideas contained in Judaism. The Nazis hated them as an ethnic group.

Nazism is also a collection of ideas. It would be racist to hate the Nazis because they were German. It's fine to hate the Nazis because they are Nazis. Likewise, if a group in the Middle East had very similar ideas to the Nazis, it's fine to hate and violently oppose them. In fact, it's racist if someone would oppose German Nazis but would not oppose Arab Nazis (e.g., Hamas).

Some group (independent of governments and media) should do an independent survey of the percentage of Muslims in Germany and other European countries. Who knows how many lies are being told?

A fairly obvious thought occurred to me. We know that media in Germany is being censored. Why isn't anyone seriously questioning how many refugees rapefugees invaders have been imported? I've heard figures like "1 million" for the past year. How do we know it isn't actually 10 million? If the German government asked the media to report lower numbers, it's obvious they would comply.

Yeah sure, let's forget the influence and the responsibility of a 7th century delusional murdering war-mongering culture-destroying pedophile. It's all the USA's fault!

Obviously I'm not German. Thanks for correcting my German version of "the eternal Jew."


We could both be Jews. Or neither of us could be Jews. I asked if it would bother you because you accused me of being a "wannabe racist jew[sic]." I'm not sure why you would make such an accusation unless you thought being Jewish (or "wanting to be" Jewish) is something negative. When I accused you of being a Nazi, it was certainly because I think being a Nazi is negative. And again, the reason I accuse you of being a Nazi is because you're knowingly supporting a policy that will result in many dead Jews.


If you actually opposed extremism, you would be opposing bringing a million people from an extreme, militant Jew-hating religion into Germany. Instead you're opposing those who oppose it. It's not hard to deduce from that where you really stand.

I'm definitely an extremist when it comes to opposing Jew-haters. Some people lament the Dresden bombings. As I've said before, my only problem with the Dresden bombings is not enough Nazis burned to death. I'd also like to see Nuremberg style trials for the people who implemented the current bring-as-many-Jew-hating-Muslims-into-Europe-as-possible policy.



Thanks for capitalizing Jew once, if only because it was at the beginning of a sentence. Most I-have-nothing-against-Jews Jew-haters can't bring themselves to capitalize the word at all.

But I'm confused by the content. What Jew has what way of thinking?

I don't believe this, and it's a bizarre thing for you to infer from what I've written. I do believe that Islam has included Jew-hatred since the time of its founding. I believe this because, unlike most people, I bothered to learn about Islam, including its founding, its teachings and its history. Due to Islamic theology, Muslims are much more likely to attack/kill Jews than non-Muslims are to attack Jews. Fortunately, most Muslims -- like most Christians and most Jews -- don't know much about their religion, so they're relatively harmless. Muslims are only a problem when they learn about their religion and start to take it seriously, and are high enough of a percentage of the population to enforce their views on the rest of the population.


Eh, "racist" is a word that's lost all meaning now, since it's applied when it clearly isn't appropriate. I wouldn't mind if I were a Jew though, so calling me a "wannabe jew [sic]" isn't such an insult. Some of the most intelligent and accomplished people in the world have been Jews. Would it bother you if I were a Jew? What does that tell you about yourself?


If you're honestly interested in my views on Israel, look up my posts on this thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012231.0

I see no reason to rehash them here, especially since I don't think you actually care. You're bringing up Israel because you, like most Germans, think the root of the current trouble with Islamic extremism is Israel's fault. It's certainly not the first time Germans believed that the root of all the world's problems are die ewige Jude.

The only way this quote would be relevant is if I were accusing you of being a Nazi since you are descended from Nazis. I'm accusing you of being a Nazi because you are knowingly supporting policies that will result in many dead Jews. You are not a child. You are guilty.

I can understand why a true but uncomfortable statement would make you inclined to hide behind a dismissive meme.

There have been numerous attacks on Jews by Muslims in Europe over the past decade. From the torture and murder of Ilan Halimi, to the school shooting in France, to the attack on the Jewish supermarket following the Charlie Hebdo attack. Here's a good article on the phenomenon from the left-wing magazine The Atlantic (though the website seems to be down at the moment):

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/04/is-it-time-for-the-jews-to-leave-europe/386279/

Europeans know this, and know the cause of it. European leaders are inviting in more Muslims -- people with the same attitude towards Jews -- with eyes open. They know the policy will lead to more dead Jews, and more Jews escaping Europe to friendlier lands.

The fact that you know this, and yet you defend the policy, implies you accept its consequences: dead Jews.

I know you're German (in addition to other hints, you wrote "covering" for "cowering"). It must be tough to hear. Germans wonder how their grandparents and great-grandparents could've possibly supported the Nazis -- with their obviously insane and dangerous beliefs. Today's Germans only need look in the mirror. They are doing the same thing, with the minor change that they are outsourcing the Jew-killing.

I know you think you're anti-Nazi. But look in the mirror quietly for a few moments and look at the consequences of the policies you support. You are a Nazi.

If there were a way to test it, I would bet a lot of money that the only kind of "extremism" you have spoken out against for the last two years is what you would call "far right" (e.g., PEGIDA). I would bet you ignore "left" extremism, and make excuses for Islamic extremism.

I agree that the God of the Bible is described as having many properties I would consider negative. But the proof was not intended to demonstrate that the "God of the Bible" is "God." The proof was only intended to demonstrate that "God" exists. It's independent of particular religions of the moment.

One of the amusing things about this situation is that germany [sic] has decided to live like the Israelis for a while.

Regarding "such fear" -- I often hear this theme. It's the "Islamophobia" nonsense. I don't think speaking out against a backwards savage totalitarian belief system like Islam is a sign of "fear" -- quite the opposite.

Does the fact that you speak out against the "far right"/PEGIDA indicate that you have "fear" of them?

So, just to be clear: the lesson Germany learned from WW2 was to import a million people from a militant Jew-hating religion/culture, and to silence those who criticize it. Perfect.

I saw a report on Zero Hedge about big protests across Europe today against the ongoing conquest of Europe by Islam.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-02-06/anti-refugee-rallies-sweep-europe-nationalists-declare-we-will-note-surrender-europe

The post seems to take a pro-Islam point of view, but it was interesting nevertheless.

Did anyone on here in Europe see/attend any of these big demonstrations? Any first-hand reports of things the media would like to ignore?

It's good to see some people are standing up. It seems a bit too-little-too-late to me, but who knows.