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61  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Hypothetical ETF disaster hardfork on: February 01, 2024, 04:34:53 AM
They are their own entity giving themselves the power to consider which fork will be "Bitcoin". They can use that to start a hash war in my opinion.


If they get away with that (after numerous lawsuits), they don't need to start a hash war. They can just sell the "not Bitcoin" they own, and if that happens to be the most valuable chain, it's pure profit for them.


But that's actually the problem, isn't it. The Cabal probably WANTS to start a hash war in order to make their fork "officially" the "real fork". They won't only need the miners, they will need the support of Bitcoin services like Coinbase, some influential community members, and the support of at least one Bitcoin Core developer.

- We should probably be suspicious if BlackRock starts donating money/giving grants for Bitcoin's development. Open source development of the biggest decentralized money network + donations/grants to the developers should probably not happen?

Also notice that Coinbase is conveniently the custodian of everyone involved, except a very few ones that are self custodian. The rest is just a big single point of failure called Coinbase, basically, US government, since Brian Armstrong will do whatever the US government does in order to stay in business. You aren't going to get anywhere without their approval. This is not great for BTC in terms of decentralization. I guess other nation states will eventually jump in and the different agendas between parties will allow for some macro decentralization where they aren't all on the same page. This would split BTC into different coins for different states and the outcome is not predictable. Im hoping the community of individual holders will not align with any of these and dump on their chains when they receive their split.
62  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Hypothetical ETF disaster hardfork on: January 30, 2024, 06:41:56 PM
Who is "the Sponsor" in this?

Even if they act in good faith picking the correct chain, I'm missing details on what happens to the value in a possible Fork chain. When the BCH Fork happened, the value of the Forkcoin varied, but could have been sold for 10-20% of the Bitcoin value. If they keep that instead of sharing it with the ETF investors, it just adds to the list of reasons to keep your own keys.

This is from Blackrock's filling. I assume all other ETFs have a similar take? It is a sort of a disclaimer. "We cannot guarantee that this is the most valuable fork if it splits". Of course you got to realize that all of these are under US jurisdiction, so the government could step in and say, "make this or that fork as the legally abiding one". And there you have it, now all exchanges and miners are forced to mine whatever UScoin fork. This is the problem with the ETFs. Back then we had separate entities as big holders, now all these ETFs will centralize a big stack on the same hands. The only hope would be that big whales dump on UScoin fork as everyone would get a split of each other coins on both blockchains post-split and cause a crash on USfork. But you would also need to get miners out of US jurisdiction reach. I know companies like MARA are expanding overseas but they would still be subject to US jurisdiction, and im not sure if UAE would be any better (they are doing some business there).
63  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Hypothetical ETF disaster hardfork on: January 28, 2024, 10:25:33 PM
To me it seems evident at this point that all the ETFs are is an attempt to control the network. They want to centralize the supply in the hands of a few actors (ETFs) which are ultimately all the same hand at play (the US government in this case) which then will proceed to attempt to fork the network for whatever agenda that is trying to be meet with that. It is literally on the documents:



So while this may be bullish for the price now, we'll see how this turns out eventually when shots start being fired.
64  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Core wallet crpyt by truecrypt and los pass on: January 26, 2024, 09:37:53 PM
If anything, this showcases the power of a proper password, and Truecrypt can use a cascaded algorithm setup, which means a proper password is just a nightmare to crack. Even if SHA256 got cracked somehow, there would be more to do ahead. Also, Truecrypt was replaced by Veracrypt and is no longer considered safe, so that to me is interesting that people still use TC containers.

As far as the password for the wallet.dat, im assuming that this guy has a known wallet.dat password, otherwise, whoever cracked the wallet.dat, would just take the funds isn't it? or he is naive enough to think that they would crack it, then ask for permission to take the funds? im assuming that's not the case here.

Yes, I remember vaguely that Truecrypt offered such an option of cascaded hash algorithms, which means that you need to know this setup detail for a crack attack, too. It would slow down the process somewhat significantly, especially if you had to try different possibilities in this area, too. Sounds more and more like real pain in the ass.

I wouldn't waste my time and energy with such few hints in this particular case. No one knows if the OP keeps his word and especially if the wallet.dat actually has at least the private key for the mentioned publich address. Too many IFs...


...

wallet.dats for sale are very very likely 100% scams. You can wrap a pile of poop in fancy paper, it's still just poop.  Cheesy Tongue

I remember reading some sort of crypto mail list way back when and there were some people arguing that actually cascaded algorithm setup wasn't that great, and that one should stick to the classic SHA256 only scheme, but im not sure about that. If I used TC, I would first not use TC because it was compromised or so I heard, and that you should use VC (VeraCrypt) and then would research again on the cascaded thing.

I also liked that this software allowed you to move the mouse around to create entropy, I wonder why Bitcoin wallet generation does not include this feature.
65  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: HD wallet security on: January 22, 2024, 08:53:32 PM
if the enemy somehow bruteforced your seed of an HD-wallet he could derive all possible addresses generated throught this seed, vs an old non-HD which would only be able to derive a limited amount? (afaik non-HD wallets pre-generated a limited amount of addresses, but beyond that you required to backup your wallet, so he couldn't get any addresses that were generated after the first backup was required, isn't this again, in theory, extra security by not having a single point of failure?)
I'd like to clarify this a little, since the main question has already been answered.
Either you have a HD (hierarchical deterministic) Wallet or you don't. If you do, there is one 'single point of failure' seed, from which you can create tons of child keys, and you'll only ever need to back it up once.

If you don't have a HD wallet, you have a single private key with a single corresponding address. 'Deriving a limited amount' is not a thing. Some wallets may create a certain number of individual / unrelated private keys, 'throwing dice' for every key individually, so if you back those up, you can't 'derive' more keys later, of course, because there was absolutely no 'derivation' going on in the first place.

In practice though, as has been explained sufficiently, there is no reason not to use a HD wallet. User error is just so much more likely than facing an attacker with the capabilities assumed in the original post.

So in a non HD wallet each private key is separated from any single point of failure. Well this seems safer in theory then. If you use Bitcoin Core as a wallet, you are going to need the wallet.dat file anyway, you cannot do like Electrum and save some seed words, so if anything, not having an HD wallet forces you to do several backups often as well which is not bad.

1) That point would be unfounded. Given that an attacker would require unrealistic amount of resources to be able to bruteforce your seed, it makes no sense to prefer one over the other. If both of them are, in theory infeasible to be bruteforced, then it isnt a concern.

2) It doesn’t lower your security. User error or negligence wouldn’t concern the security of the seed. However, the security is again sufficient at 12 words and anything beyond provides insignificant amount of additional security.

Yeah but im talking from a theoretical standpoint. While it may impossible in practice, in theory it sounds better that one would have all keys separated from each other than tied to this seed thing from which all existing and future addresses will be derived from.

1) I known in practice this is probably pointless, but in theory, is a non-HD wallet safer than an HD-wallet given that if the enemy somehow bruteforced your seed of an HD-wallet he could derive all possible addresses generated throught this seed, vs an old non-HD which would only be able to derive a limited amount? (afaik non-HD wallets pre-generated a limited amount of addresses, but beyond that you required to backup your wallet, so he couldn't get any addresses that were generated after the first backup was required, isn't this again, in theory, extra security by not having a single point of failure?)

Not really.

Keeping a bunch of miscellaneous private keys around is more cumbersome than storing a seed, and having just a small seed makes it harder to steal data since there's less of it.

In order to back up an HD wallet, you don't have to copy all the private keys. You just need to save the seed phrase (or wallet file + password), derivation path, and receive and change gap limits, which are the number of generated addresses.


1) In HD wallets, is anything beyond 12 words pointless? In theory, more words more security, but in practice, doesn't this lower security? you may accidentally type a word the wrong way if you manually type or, or it just creates more lenght of bits in the material word to store

HD seeds are converted into bits and then passed through HMAC-SHA512 to create the master private key, so while 12 words give enough security now, the option to do 15, 18, 21, 24 words allows us to future-proof seed phrases from things like quantum computers.

12 words and 24 words seed phrase have the same bits of security. That makes 24 words not to have security than 12 words. 12 words seed phrase is highly secure enough.

This is not really true. The private keys may have the same bit-lengths, but the bit entropy from 24-word seed phrases is 2^12 larger than 12-word phrases (because 2^24 for 24 words / 2^12 for 12 words = 2^12 extra strength) which makes it harder to brute-force the master private key.

But like I said above, if you use Bitcoin Core, you are need to carry your wallet.dat file anyway, so if anything, needing to do backups often is a healthy practice. I don't see the advantage of HD wallet beyond the "spawn my wallet anywhere with 12 words" thing, the rest seems like a security compromise in theory.
66  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / HD wallet security on: January 22, 2024, 04:58:19 AM
2 simple questions I would like to make:

1) I known in practice this is probably pointless, but in theory, is a non-HD wallet safer than an HD-wallet given that if the enemy somehow bruteforced your seed of an HD-wallet he could derive all possible addresses generated throught this seed, vs an old non-HD which would only be able to derive a limited amount? (afaik non-HD wallets pre-generated a limited amount of addresses, but beyond that you required to backup your wallet, so he couldn't get any addresses that were generated after the first backup was required, isn't this again, in theory, extra security by not having a single point of failure?)

1) In HD wallets, is anything beyond 12 words pointless? In theory, more words more security, but in practice, doesn't this lower security? you may accidentally type a word the wrong way if you manually type or, or it just creates more lenght of bits in the material word to store
67  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Core wallet crpyt by truecrypt and los pass on: January 22, 2024, 04:12:36 AM
Address 1L8SqDEvaA3WnDinobai21ZbnyC79XuJGn has a current balance of 2.11752132 BTC and last outgoing transactions where UTXOs of this address were spent were in
2021-03-03: tx bdc3bc54a358301552c03eecb5c6994bc13066284f795211a2db6497f5692cd7
2021-01-09: tx d27a036c3d1acd27f7b57b3c3bc0e85cff1b03714e1b8b03274f161badac38c4

So in the first months of 2021 the owner of UTXOs of this address apparently had access to this address' private key and the other involved inputs in above transactions.


Yes, the file is mine. If it was not mine, how could I know the general wallet address?

I'm not convinced because a Bitcoin Core wallet uses a lot of keys and public addresses, not just a single one. And naming a public address with a suitable balance isn't hard at all.

Your passphrase hints for the Truecrypt container are rather insufficient. My question would be: why didn't you document such an important secret?

As n0nce points out, having the hashes isn't quite enough. An attack to crack the Truecrypt container passphrase would also need details how Truecrypt processes the passphrase to get to hash digests. Well, likely hashcat or similar tools know how to deal with cracking Truecrypt containers.

And then if someone manages to crack the Truecrypt passphrase: what about the contained wallet.dat file? Is this protected by a passphrase, too? Is the Bitcoin Core wallet.dat passphrase known?

There are stories of people being thrown to jail permanently for failing to disclose a Truecrypt password. If anything, this showcases the power of a proper password, and Truecrypt can use a cascaded algorithm setup, which means a proper password is just a nightmare to crack. Even if SHA256 got cracked somehow, there would be more to do ahead. Also, Truecrypt was replaced by Veracrypt and is no longer considered safe, so that to me is interesting that people still use TC containers.

As far as the password for the wallet.dat, im assuming that this guy has a known wallet.dat password, otherwise, whoever cracked the wallet.dat, would just take the funds isn't it? or he is naive enough to think that they would crack it, then ask for permission to take the funds? im assuming that's not the case here.
68  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What is the best way to spend BTC from an Electrum wallet with privacy? on: January 22, 2024, 03:56:35 AM
First of all, you should always use a new address for EVERY transaction you receive.

So, if that 0.1 BTC was received as 5 separate payments of:
  • 0.0301 BTC
  • 0.0039 BTC
  • 0.0408 BTC
  • 0.0019 BTC
  • 0.0233 BTC

Then you can just use the two smallest outputs (0.0301 BTC + 0.0019 BTC = 0.0058 BTC) to fund your transaction. In this way, the entity will see no link at all to the three larger outputs under your control.

Or, if you prefer, you could use just the 0.0233 BTC output to fund the transaction, significantly reducing the visibility from the full 0.1 BTC to just 23% of your balance.
I know this is the Bitcoin Discussion Board but I feel like writing my input.

Speaking out of personal experience.  If you have multiple people you often send Bitcoin to, after only a few Transactions it becomes really hard to keep track of what is going on.  This is why I use Monero.  It sometimes costs me a lot more than just tracking my Bitcoin Transactions and UTXOs, but after making a few costly mistakes you realize it is worth the cost.

My personal advice for any body willing to maximize their Privacy is use Monero in parallel with Bitcoin.  I use my main Bitcoin Seed for Bitcoin only I know about and I use Monero as an intermediary to avoid linking my personal Bitcoin to the Bitcoin I have to spend.

If I link the two smallest Outputs, 0.0039 plus 0.0019 which is in total 0.0058 but only spend 0.005 out of it to pay OP, I now have an UTXO of 0.0008 labeled 'takuma sato' in my Electrum.  Then I spend 0.02 out of my 0.0301 on drinks and have an UTXO labeled 'liquor store' containing 0.0101 Bitcoin.  Then I decide to finally link my 0.0408 with my 0.0233 to spend 0.06 Bitcoin on a phone.  I now have three UTXOs.

0.0008 Bitcoin 'takuma sato'
0.0101 Bitcoin 'liquor store'
0.0041 Bitcoin 'phone store'

Now I have two options.  First is easiest.  I link the second and third UTXO because I do not care if two stores know I bought something off them.  But that is a Privacy concern to me and I would not want takuma sato to know I purchased any thing from the liquor store or the phone store either.  So what do I do?

First option is I continue to use my UTXOs separately.  I have 0.0149 Bitcoin left but I can not purchase something worth the entire Balance without compromising my Privacy.  If I want to purchase another phone worth 0.01 Bitcoin, I can not without linking UTXOs from the two stores.  Unless I get more Bitcoin and have an unused UTXO that I can use in combination with the UTXO labeled 'phone store'.

So here comes my second option.  Finding a way to remove my identity off the UTXOs I own.  The best way to do it is using Monero as an intermediary.  Exchange UTXOs from Bitcoin to Monero in chunks of each label category at random times in random separate days.  From 0.0149 Bitcoin you exchanged into X Monero.  Now return to Bitcoin and split it into multiple Addresses.  Say three.

Now you own three anonymized UTXOs of approximately 0.005 Bitcoin.  No more labels, no more worries.  Costs a little bit more, but it is the cost of Privacy unfortunately.  For someone as paranoid as me, it is worth the costs.

Yeah, you have to do a lot of work to keep any reasonable privacy, and if you try to sell your coins in a KYC exchange for fiat it will be hell to explain where the funds came from. Just to exercise any reasonable amount of privacy (as in, the same privacy one would have when you are sending a regular bank transfer, that is, sending money without revealing your funds in the process) you get labeled a suspicious individual. This is why I don't see any way to cash out Bitcoin unless you mined it and send it directly to the exchange, or bought it from a KYC exchange and has a ticket. Anything else starts becoming too convoluted.

This also showcases how BTC will never be used at a mainstream level, at least until one can achieve similar level of privacy of a bank transfer (again, not potentially revealing your funds with a transaction) by just clicking a send button. Im not familiar with LN and have no idea how it works but nobody uses it that I know, when someone lists an item or service they usually just have regular bc1 addresses.
69  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What is the best way to spend BTC from an Electrum wallet with privacy? on: January 20, 2024, 08:49:28 PM
For the people that mention Tor with Electrum, I understand that. I mentioned Electrum, because I think it can be used on mobile phone. Privacy wallets can't. So the idea was to coinjoin funds I want to spend, then spend them with Electrum through a phone so I can pay without having to carry a laptop around which is insanely annoying. I need to get the funds first in a phone ready to spend.

If you get paid in BTC address you have on an Electrum wallet, and you want to pay for someone
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For example, you get paid in address A which has 0.1 BTC

You don't want to disclose you own 0.1 BTC to this person/entity, so you want to spend 200 USD on this good or service, which are like 0.004855 BTC at current rate.

How do you do this?
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First of all, you should always use a new address for EVERY transaction you receive.

So, if that 0.1 BTC was received as 5 separate payments of:
  • 0.0301 BTC
  • 0.0039 BTC
  • 0.0408 BTC
  • 0.0019 BTC
  • 0.0233 BTC

Then you can just use the two smallest outputs (0.0301 BTC + 0.0019 BTC = 0.0058 BTC) to fund your transaction. In this way, the entity will see no link at all to the three larger outputs under your control.

Or, if you prefer, you could use just the 0.0233 BTC output to fund the transaction, significantly reducing the visibility from the full 0.1 BTC to just 23% of your balance.

Now, if you have only ever received a single transaction, and the amount of that single transaction was 0.1 BTC, then maintaining privacy of that balance will be more difficult.

If you're willing to pay repeated transaction fees over many days/weeks/months/years to gain some privacy, one thing you could do to increase your privacy a bit would be to generate a random time and then after waiting that amount of time from receiving your initial transaction create a new transaction to split your balance by a random percentage and send each portion to a new addresses in your wallet. Then after another random time, chose one of the two outputs randomly, and split that to 2 new addresses. Then after another random amount of time, chose one of the three outputs in your wallet and split that to 2 new addresses, and so on until you have several random sized outputs all created at random different times from random earlier outputs.  This will make it much more difficult for the entity to distinguish between outputs that you still control.

If you're only trying to maintain privacy from one particular entity, and you don't mind another entity knowing about your larger single UTXO, you could briefly send your 0.1 BTC to a popular entity that pools the bitcoins they receive (such as an exchange or a gambling website). As an example, let's assume you use Coinbase. Then you could withdraw random percentages of the 0.1 BTC, each to a separate address in your wallet. It would become extremely difficult for the entity you are trying to maintain privacy from to determine which of the many, many outputs Coinbase sent were sent to addresses of yours vs. addresses of other people.

Another option might be to use an intermediary (friend?, family?, etc) that you aren't concerned about knowing how much BTC you have in the transaction you received.  You could make an arrangement for the intermediary to make the payment on your behalf, and then later you could send a payment amount to the intermediary at a new address compensating them for helping you.

There are probably more options, but those are the few that come immediately to mind.

Note: if the entity you are trying to maintain privacy from is a government entity, it's possible that some of these processes to hide the source of funds might be considered "money laundering" by some governments. This may be illegal in somme jurisdictions, and you may need to talk to a lawyer to make sure that you're not doing anything that could be charged as a crime.




Requesting a different address is not always an option. For instance, in the example of anyone here recieving payments in exchange of advertising a website through signatures. The managers of these signature campaigns I assume wouldn't want to deal with a different address per payment, so they ask you to keep the same address for the duration of the campaign.

You mentioned Coinbase, not an option since that requires KYC. So a non-kyc exchange or casino that allows for Tor usage would do. But which ones do? This is definitely a better idea than using a mixer tho. Like I said before, you mix your stuff, send it to someone, this someone puts it on an exchange and you may or not have a problem. It should be perfectly legal to use a mixer to not disclose your funds everytime you pay someone, but this is the world we live in now.
If instead, you send the funds you want to use to an exchange that isn't KYC and get them back, you can now use them without putting in trouble the person that you are paying if this person deposits these funds into a KYC exchange.

Intermediaries are not an option.

The payment is a small payment, so im not too worried about things, and it is not some government thing. It's just that if you buy an used item from someone that sells it on a webpage in exchange of BTC for instance, you don't want to tell this person that you own 0.1 BTC, so im looking for the most efficient way to go about things. Perhaps I should have asked this on the other subforum.

70  Other / Meta / Re: Find a deleted post that contains a specific text on: January 20, 2024, 08:39:07 PM
You can use https://ninjastic.space/ for it.

In addition for finding bitcoin address on the site, click on the menu at the left corner at the upper side, you will see address. Click on address and put in the address that you are looking for and search for it.

To search for post instead of address, click on post instead of address and search for the post.

Thanks, im testing this tool, but I don't understand how to find if a post is deleted, edit or just normal. Im looking at satoshi's posts, and it just appears as normal. How can you check if he deleted any posts?

Also, how long back in time does the archive go into? where does this site pull the archived data from? Perhaps I will have better luck with the wayback machine site.
71  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What is the best way to spend BTC from an Electrum wallet with privacy? on: January 20, 2024, 05:28:47 PM
I have changed the example of a restaurant and just said good or service. Obviously Binance Pay or whatever isn't the case here. And about sending the funds to another address, it wouldn't work.

Address A has 1 BTC
Address B is your own address that you generate and you send 200 USD worth to it to spend on the good/service upon arrival
The owner of the address that is selling this good/service is able to see that you had 200 USD and now it has 0, but can see that it received said 200 USD from an address that has 1 BTC. Of course, plausible deniability applies and cannot be proven you own 1 BTC, but if you go again to the same good/service provider in the future with a new address, they will see again that all these funds come from Address A. This doesn't look that great privacy wise.
Do you only want to spend from your electrum down to the service provider wallet ? If yes then you need to do all the privacy stuff before you get to the place you want to buy your goods or you want to exchange your bitcoin for any service.

Just as few others have suggested I will add to it by saying you will need to move some of those your bitcoin with extra fee to a non KYC exchange address where you can withdraw from this exchange to a different address were you can use later at any place were you will send directly to the place wallet.

Or better still just use a mixing service and get the coin detach from your original wallet where only you and the mixer will know the new wallet and were the holdings are originally from.

I don't want to use any mixing services anymore. What if this happens:

1) You mix the coins
2) You get the coins back
3) You pay this person/company for some good/service
4) This person/company puts the coins into an exchange and Chainalysis or something gets triggered
5) This person/company now has a problem, and will point to you as the source of this transaction
6) Suddenly you have a problem when all you wanted to do is to get some reasonable privacy during a payment

Yo yeah, not using any mixers, at least for payments that would identify me in any way. For instance, to pay for some online service like a VPN it's reasonable since you aren't doxed, but why risk it when you are paying IRL?

This is why perhaps these coinjoin wallets are worth looking into if they deliver any information

The non KYC exchange may be a solution tho. Do you know which ones are worth using?

The thing is, you are just wasting a lot of money along the way with transactions.
72  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What is the best way to spend BTC from an Electrum wallet with privacy? on: January 19, 2024, 09:41:21 PM
There is no other way but to send that first to another wallet, that's how you're going to hide your address. So, before going to a restaurant, transfer it to a wallet where you'll use it for payments and leave the rest there. Only send the amount that you may want to spend for your ease. That's why if you're going to do this, you should have planned it before going out so that you're going to check the fees.

It's not ideal to do it at most times that you'll transfer here and there because the fees are not that worth it. But if they only cost some centavos, it's easier to do that and the fees won't matter at all.

If the restaurant is using Binance which I believe most of them might use. Then you have to send the potion or the unit of Bitcoin you want to spend at the restaurant to your Binance and when you reach the place and after eating then you ask the restaurant attendant to give you their Binance Wallet ID and not the Bitcoin address but the Binance Pay ID then you send the coins to the ID and that is all.
This is also a good suggestion, Binance Pay. An off chain transaction but of course, you'll have to deal with KYC and verifications.

I have changed the example of a restaurant and just said good or service. Obviously Binance Pay or whatever isn't the case here. And about sending the funds to another address, it wouldn't work.

Address A has 1 BTC
Address B is your own address that you generate and you send 200 USD worth to it to spend on the good/service upon arrival
The owner of the address that is selling this good/service is able to see that you had 200 USD and now it has 0, but can see that it received said 200 USD from an address that has 1 BTC. Of course, plausible deniability applies and cannot be proven you own 1 BTC, but if you go again to the same good/service provider in the future with a new address, they will see again that all these funds come from Address A. This doesn't look that great privacy wise.
73  Other / Meta / Find a deleted post that contains a specific text on: January 19, 2024, 09:29:22 PM
Im trying to find a deleted post that was accidentally deleted, that may contain a specific text you are looking for. For instance, an email address, btc address, url. That is, to search for strings on deleted posts, so I can find this information. It would be really useful. I know someone here maintains a sort of an archive of the website, not sure where I saw this. Could it be possible to search for something specific on such archive? Thanks.
74  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / What is the best way to spend BTC from an Electrum wallet with privacy? on: January 18, 2024, 10:17:15 PM
If you get paid in BTC address you have on an Electrum wallet, and you want to pay for someone that sells a good or service in exchange of BTC, but for obvious reasons you don't want to disclose how much BTC is your address holding to the person/entity that sells such good or service because they could easily look up your public address after you pay them on a blockchain explorer and see the funds... then how would you do this?

For example, you get paid in address A which has 0.1 BTC

You don't want to disclose you own 0.1 BTC to this person/entity, so you want to spend 200 USD on this good or service, which are like 0.004855 BTC at current rate.

How do you do this?

Should one download some of these "privacy wallets", create an address there and make a transaction with the funds you want to spend (0.004855 in this case) and then pay from that wallet's address? but the wallet has to have Android support for handheld usage then since I will pay once I arrive on the spot, not in advance.

Also, what about the fees? you lose money each time you send to the address that you want to spend from. This is problem. Also, exchange rate varies. You may send 0.004855 BTC to the new address you want to spend from, but this may be less than USD by the time you arrive (or more, but less imagine it's less)

I just don't know how to go about this, too many moving parts.
75  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: how wasabi, electrum, exodus ... make money ? on: January 18, 2024, 03:12:47 AM
Same reason any open source project that has privacy in mind makes money: Donations. This is the only way often times, that these projects get any funding. They don't usually send any services, precisely because they don't want to collect any data from costumers only to get hacked and have it leaked along with your interest in privacy.

You could say the same thing from Bitcoin developers. The way it works is that they contribute to the project and this forms a portfolio they can use to find jobs elsewhere with an actual salary. A lot continue working on Bitcoin after that from real interest in the project.
76  Economy / Economics / Re: MicroStrategy (MSTR) as a GBTC alternative on: January 18, 2024, 02:28:33 AM
im not talking about the bitcoin side.. im talking about the functional business of microstrategies..
the functional business of microstrategies is under performing compared to its competitors. and if it got into trouble would then need to liquidate bitcoins to prop up the functional business (pay salaries and leases)

But their massive BTC stack wouldn't make that a big deal isn't it? we have Saylor selling 5000 shares everyday until april so we are going to see what that does to the price. So far the premium plummeted to the point it was negative and today it was interesting as MSTR surged 3.8% or so while BTC was struggling, miners did as well underperform. So perhaps the equilibrium has been reached. I doubt anyone holding MSTR now wants to sell for ETF, they already did, so that may be priced out. If MSTR can continue to deliver a cool 1.25-1.5% premium on BTC performance the stock will continue to be desirable for those that want some leverage in BTC. Of course the business side has to be taken care of. According to Adam Back Saylor is doing good. And if we compare ETF to MSTR im not sure what's safer. I trust Saylor more than these guys as a custodian. Mostly because Saylor has his own stack so he knows what he's doing.
77  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Concerning Malwares on: January 17, 2024, 04:26:47 AM
Running Linux will solve most issues. Most malware runs on windows due source code being closed, so this is perfect to embed malicious code into programs Get Ubuntu and disable all possible tracking for ads Amazon and so on assuming they still do that and you are good. An alternative would be Linux Mint. Then just don't visit any dumb websites and that's all you need to be honest. But of course you should have a separate laptop that hosts your private keys that never connects to the internet and then have a separate laptop to broadcast transactions, look up airgap bitcoin node wallet on google and get that setup for max protection.
78  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Signature mixers question on: January 17, 2024, 02:39:07 AM
I'm supposed to do a report every time I get paid - which means every week, which is completely insane. Therefore, if someone makes such an insane request, I think we can agree that paying taxes on the earnings from signature campaigns is by no means an option for people in my situation.

Given that I live in an extremely corrupt country where in the last 8 years about 30 ministers have been fired or resigned due to corrupt actions, believe me I sleep peacefully when I know that my money did not go into their pockets.


What is that real you need to file a report every time you get paid, here in my country Just the same as zasad@ that you need to fill in a year.
What country do you live in bro? just curious  Cheesy

and maybe if I were Op I would not going to record any money that comes from the mixer neither from signature or my personal fund since the mixer in my opinion is kinda in a grey area at least for the regulator. so better opt-out.
I understand that tax authorities in different countries are improving tax collection, but I don’t think that everything is so serious that they would waste resources on users who earn about $100 a week. I think that the spent resources of the tax authorities will not pay off. If my tax office required me to report for each payment, then I would receive bitcoins for the subscription campaign to an unofficial address, and then every quarter or year I would transfer bitcoins through an exchange for Monero from the unofficial address to the official one and pay taxes.
But sometimes it is better not to report coins, and you will not be asked questions.

You are only overcomplicating things isn't? Since you are sending your signature campaign earnings throught Monero, and then into an exchange, you are just going to get your dox attached to Monero transactions, and exchanges are increasingly more anti privacy coins, and I suspect governments wouldn't be a fan as well. So that really does not fix anything. Once you cash out, either your bank or your government could ask for proof of funds as well. Not really a solution imo. Either you don't report it, or you try to be as clear as possible if you report it. The problem is, if you don't report it, then what do you do with the coins? You cannot barely do anything with crypto if you don't convert it to fiat anyway.
79  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: We overlooked this little thing: Bitcoin is officially a commodity on: January 13, 2024, 10:17:45 PM
Gary has to say that because what else could he say? The SEC has approved the ETF, so the vehicle of investment has to be defined one way or another. If it is not a security, then it is a commodity. And they definitely did not want to talk about it as a currency since that would make it look like a legit alternative to the CBDCs that they will launch. In any case, the impact on the price has been a classic sell the new events, now we will see just how much of a frontrun was this vs legit demand. Its been pumping for months and ROIs are crazy on proxies like miners and MSTR, cooldown incoming, 42k, 39k, 30k supports on the line, we'll see if those hold before halving effect kicks in.
80  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Any Bisq experts here? on: January 13, 2024, 06:16:08 PM


So we have to be realistic with our expectations and look for KYC-less ways to convert crypto for cash. The real trouble will be when they introduce CBDCs and phase out cash. Then we will be living in a totalitarian dystopian society where it will be possible for the government to monitor anyone in almost reatime and "cancel" anyone just with a few clicks on the keyboard. Until then I think meeting a reliable acquaintance in person and trading crypto for cash is the method that works best. Then again your mileage may vary and cash by mail or other method might suit you better.

Have you visited shitcoin.club places? there's a sign that says, "we are recording you and we will store this data for X hours". You are supposed to believe that the recording is for security purposes presumably, and you also have to believe this is not stored and handed to third parties as requested. There also have been hacks of ATM businesses that revealed customer data. It's one of those things. There's too much risk with KYC'ing your stuff, your data can be out in the wild and you become a target for thieves.

If you can find someone you trust I guess that is the way to go, but there is no way for me to trust some random people. Who knows who the hell are you meeting. They may 5$ wrench on you and run with the funds. You are also revealing yourself as a BTC holder which is not smart.

I guess when CBCDs arrive and they ban cash, then the transition to using Bitcoin as a currency will be natural irrespective of what governments have to say about it, because there will always be a demand for cash. The problem is, BTC is not viable as a currency, unless LN doesn't suck for the mainstream user and I have never used it so I can't say for sure.
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