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61  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Scam Accusation against Urocoin (true-asset) and Green Earth Systems Limited on: July 29, 2014, 03:21:26 PM
I've challenged GES (Nilesh Nair) to a 6.35 Bitcoin bet that Uro will either drop by half at close of bet or be unlisted from Bittrex within 3 weeks!

Given that he will know without doubt this isn't a scam and he's just donated $23 million to provide solar pumps to remote ares in Egypt this bet should be trivial!

This bet is a chance for him to put his money where his mouth is and prove this is real whilst making a profit off the free PR!

please, if you take what you are doing seriously, keep serious, dont be a child


i Asked you stuff above can you please answer and stick to the subject ?

It's too stupid! I can pick apart everything you've said but I've got to waste my time doing, I'll tell you what though If you can convince Nilesh to accept my bet I'll give you a $1000 + my name, address, telephone, a flight to Thailand and even cook you dinner!


not interested in getting involved in any childish thing, but i am interested in hearing your arguments, please break it apart.

you are doing a serious accusation, and should be taken seriously, betting on it is not correct, furthermore why dont you approach the authorities instead of wasting time here ??

By the way, you waste time all day in URO posts Smiley

Yeah I have been trying to stop, yeah filed a report with the authorities on the 16th.

I can't really argue when you've plucked figures out of your ass, and are asking me for "real evidence" when you're implying the op is not. You also asking who the victims are, I'm not wasting my time answering your idiotic questions, but I'll bump that up to $2000 and no trip to Thailand if you can get Nilesh or true asset to take the bet I've proposed. That bounty goes to anyone btw!

well, so let the authorities handle it.
62  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Scam Accusation against Urocoin (true-asset) and Green Earth Systems Limited on: July 29, 2014, 03:07:36 PM
I've challenged GES (Nilesh Nair) to a 6.35 Bitcoin bet that Uro will either drop by half at close of bet or be unlisted from Bittrex within 3 weeks!

Given that he will know without doubt this isn't a scam and he's just donated $23 million to provide solar pumps to remote ares in Egypt this bet should be trivial!

This bet is a chance for him to put his money where his mouth is and prove this is real whilst making a profit off the free PR!

please, if you take what you are doing seriously, keep serious, dont be a child


i Asked you stuff above can you please answer and stick to the subject ?

It's too stupid! I can pick apart everything you've said but I've got to waste my time doing, I'll tell you what though If you can convince Nilesh to accept my bet I'll give you a $1000 + my name, address, telephone, a flight to Thailand and even cook you dinner!


not interested in getting involved in any childish thing, but i am interested in hearing your arguments, please break it apart.

you are doing a serious accusation, and should be taken seriously, betting on it is not correct, furthermore why dont you approach the authorities instead of wasting time here ??

By the way, you waste time all day in URO posts Smiley
63  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Scam Accusation against Urocoin (true-asset) and Green Earth Systems Limited on: July 29, 2014, 02:40:16 PM
I've challenged GES (Nilesh Nair) to a 6.35 Bitcoin bet that Uro will either drop by half at close of bet or be unlisted from Bittrex within 3 weeks!

Given that he will know without doubt this isn't a scam and he's just donated $23 million to provide solar pumps to remote ares in Egypt this bet should be trivial!

This bet is a chance for him to put his money where his mouth is and prove this is real whilst making a profit off the free PR!

In case you didnt see the post:

Questions for scam accusation:

1.- 14 of july (i dont have the exact date exactly) of july Rivaa purchases 12500+ URO for the shipping (we know it was purchased because Jebus911 saw the accounting on Bittrex account of the customer and posted screenshots and gave faith of this)

2.- Later the 15 of July Rivaa completes the purchase executes the payment to GES (http://uroexplorer.cryptocuttlefish.cc/address/URwAryrK8VfrWGRNLGsoLGHf3sbGdSQXuL and http://uroexplorer.cryptocuttlefish.cc/address/UkTxkgTehxnrrmuUdx8hXre2GyUaeNasbW) At this point GES is in power of 25.000 URO.

http://prntscr.com/47hffa and http://prntscr.com/47hfn8 are proof of it from a 3rd party

3.- on july 10 after Rivva makes the first half of the paument to GES, having in power the first 12.500, They announce the world first URO transaction http://greenearthsystems.com.au/world-first-by-green-earth-uro-for-urea/ driving the price to 0.4 as a top

IF they dumped then, at approx 0.02 its 250 BTC, while the purchase costed 88 BTC (if Rivaa is in on it, would be investment money lets say)
250 - 88 = 162 profit = around 100.000 USD


4.- Posts of accusation against GES and URO dropped the price from 4 millions to 1 million (1 million the bottom till the next day, was still profit for ges, at no point did their coins move from their wallet

5.- True Asset, and GES have continued to proove that they are working on it after more than 4 month.


my questions to the accuser are:

1.-how does the scam work, how do they profit from us after putting more than 170 BTC in only buying URO to keep in a cold wallet.
2.-who are the victims of the scam at this point? is there an accuser who is a victim, or simply random people without name.
3.-do you have EVIDENCE of a scam? and i mean EVIDENCE, not what you would find suspicious behaviour

Last, are you willing to reveal your identity the same way Bohan and Nielesh have done so far?
64  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Scam Accusation against Urocoin (true-asset) and Green Earth Systems Limited on: July 29, 2014, 02:23:19 PM
I've challenged GES (Nilesh Nair) to a 6.35 Bitcoin bet that Uro will either drop by half at close of bet or be unlisted from Bittrex within 3 weeks!

Given that he will know without doubt this isn't a scam and he's just donated $23 million to provide solar pumps to remote ares in Egypt this bet should be trivial!

This bet is a chance for him to put his money where his mouth is and prove this is real whilst making a profit off the free PR!

please, if you take what you are doing seriously, keep serious, dont be a child


i Asked you stuff above can you please answer and stick to the subject ?
65  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Scam Accusation against Urocoin (true-asset) and Green Earth Systems Limited on: July 29, 2014, 02:05:31 PM
Questions for scam accusation:

1.- 14 of july (i dont have the exact date exactly) of july Rivaa purchases 12500+ URO for the shipping (we know it was purchased because Jebus911 saw the accounting on Bittrex account of the customer and posted screenshots and gave faith of this)

2.- Later the 15 of July Rivaa completes the purchase executes the payment to GES (http://uroexplorer.cryptocuttlefish.cc/address/URwAryrK8VfrWGRNLGsoLGHf3sbGdSQXuL and http://uroexplorer.cryptocuttlefish.cc/address/UkTxkgTehxnrrmuUdx8hXre2GyUaeNasbW) At this point GES is in power of 25.000 URO.

http://prntscr.com/47hffa and http://prntscr.com/47hfn8 are proof of it from a 3rd party

3.- on july 10 after Rivva makes the first half of the paument to GES, having in power the first 12.500, They announce the world first URO transaction http://greenearthsystems.com.au/world-first-by-green-earth-uro-for-urea/ driving the price to 0.4 as a top

IF they dumped then, at approx 0.02 its 250 BTC, while the purchase costed 88 BTC (if Rivaa is in on it, would be investment money lets say)
250 - 88 = 162 profit = around 100.000 USD


4.- Posts of accusation against GES and URO dropped the price from 4 millions to 1 million (1 million the bottom till the next day, was still profit for ges, at no point did their coins move from their wallet

5.- True Asset, and GES have continued to proove that they are working on it after more than 4 month.


my questions to the accuser are:

1.-how does the scam work, how do they profit from us after putting more than 170 BTC in only buying URO to keep in a cold wallet.
2.-who are the victims of the scam at this point? is there an accuser who is a victim, or simply random people without name.
3.-do you have EVIDENCE of a scam? and i mean EVIDENCE, not what you would find suspicious behaviour

Last, are you willing to reveal your identity the same way Bohan and Nielesh have done so far?
66  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Scam Accusation against Urocoin (true-asset) and Green Earth Systems Limited on: July 28, 2014, 10:25:28 AM
It's a good thing your post isn't biased in any way.

Thanks, unlike you as someone who has invested in this scheme, I can look at look at it from a neutral perspective.

Hi Truthful, dont forget to change your account to the other fudder acount, this one is to help him support his claim.
67  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][URO] A Real Long Term Currency: 1 Uro = 1 Metric Tonne Urea Fertilizer on: July 10, 2014, 12:49:56 PM
Investors, dont listen to FUD, do your own research make an informed call, but if you sell, you might regreat if heavily in the future.

Fudders, if you guys really mean to help everyone and not fud to buy cheap, calm down for a while, come to IRC and you can share your concerns here

Freenode #URO

we will address your concerns in a channel that is private, im sure its not a problem, because we will hear and address your concerns.

in IRC i am Wasobot
68  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][URO] A Real Long Term Currency: 1 Uro = 1 Metric Tonne Urea Fertilizer on: July 10, 2014, 09:15:18 AM
the coin is not worth $300 yet and nor is it the official currency for URO. this is being said by posters not OP. im asking for a valuation of the deal.

As per the agreement, 1 URO is worth 1 metric ton of urea. Right now 1 metric ton of urea is selling for ~$300. The coin is not worth $300 yet in BTC but based on the fact that GES just agreed to trade 12,500 metric tons of urea for 12,500 URO, it can be valued at ~$300 per coin. The price in btc won't reflect this immediately but it will in time.

how do you know if the current dev doesn't know the value of the deal

https://mega.co.nz/#!dZUlxSqA!h1hCAUN_IjiJpA-EmHyK_zTfyxtAlUBn8gn0dfGZFFU

Read the protocol if you don't believe me. This has been in the works for a while.

Quote
Article 2



1. Each Member commits to supplying 12,500 metric tonnes of Urea on FOB terms at a public international
trading port of the Member’s choosing, to any Valid Purchaser that provides payment of 12,500 Uro in the
commitment period 2014 to 2024, provided the terms of the Contract are met.

12,500 metric tons of urea = 12,500 URO

explain to me, how can he have bought 12500 tonns for 12500 uro coin valued at $3.75million when the current value of the coins are $220k

Because the terms outlined in the agreement state that members of the URO Foundation have committed to supplying 12,500 tons of urea to any valid purchaser that provides payment of 12,500 URO. I literally just quoted that clause in my last post if you'd have read it.

so how is someone supplying $3.75million worth of urea and giving it for $220k. you expect me to believe that.

it will be the same way a goverment does it, they respect the agreed value by providing the product, then people will buy uro at product value because its accepted at that value.

works the same way as a normal currency, work or products are p trully payed after you expend the money you received for them
69  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][URO] A Real Long Term Currency: 1 Uro = 1 Metric Tonne Urea Fertilizer on: July 09, 2014, 04:30:19 AM
yip, thanks Uro, you don`t know how much this helps us farmers out and I hope it reaches other farmers in need to.




looks liek URO going to put the fud to rest.  prepare for lift off everyone - fasten your seat belts miss frizzles.

seat belts fastened , when will the shuttle is going to launch.

You can't be serious that they would want that much information about you???

1. Full Company details

2. Passport or Identification ID

3. Phone numbers

4. Legal Representative

5. Office Details

Who would in their right mind give this information to an unknown person?Huh Particularly number 2.

Identity fraud next!!!

Yes Truthfull multimillion USD transactions are done anonimously, and if you are uncomfortable with this just dont send it and see what happend, i believe if you send a company registration number it might be enough.
70  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][URO] A Real Long Term Currency: 1 Uro = 1 Metric Tonne Urea Fertilizer on: July 08, 2014, 05:10:22 PM
truthful, we dont need your help, you dont have any uro so you are safe, you can go open a beer, watch a football game or something other than pestering us
71  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][URO] A Real Long Term Currency: 1 Uro = 1 Metric Tonne Urea Fertilizer on: July 08, 2014, 04:55:46 PM
why do you quote yourself truthful ?


to dip the price  little so your buy gets hit, then you will shut up for a day, then come back with some more random fud Smiley
72  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][URO] A Real Long Term Currency: 1 Uro = 1 Metric Tonne Urea Fertilizer on: July 08, 2014, 11:56:38 AM
This Truthful guy really proved to be an idiot with this one XD

there is no doubt in my mind now that he is just a payed fuster or is trying to get your coins.


If you want to sell, do, no problem, but not based on anything he says!, he is stealing money from you!

Bad spelling should be banned.

Explain how I'm getting paid and how I'm stealing money???

Why are people so uptight, if it's a sure thing, what are you worried about???

Logo will mean nothing.
sorry, 4rth language, im bound to make a mistake every now and then.

You get payed by people who want to buy lower, or you make money by catching cheaper coin.

And personally im not bothered because i am not selling in the exchange, and by the way, why are you here?
73  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][URO] A Real Long Term Currency: 1 Uro = 1 Metric Tonne Urea Fertilizer on: July 08, 2014, 11:33:33 AM
This Truthful guy really proved to be an idiot with this one XD

there is no doubt in my mind now that he is just a payed fuster or is trying to get your coins.


If you want to sell, do, no problem, but not based on anything he says!, he is stealing money from you!
74  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][URO] A Real Long Term Currency: 1 Uro = 1 Metric Tonne Urea Fertilizer on: July 06, 2014, 02:06:18 PM

Are you blind or what? It has been repeated numerous times in this thread that it is not Green Earth Systems PTY LTD in Australia. It's the Hong Kong company that has ratified the URO protocol.


he is desperate to buy back, just dont sell to his buys Smiley
75  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][URO] A Real Long Term Currency: 1 Uro = 1 Metric Tonne Urea Fertilizer on: July 06, 2014, 01:43:34 PM
Scambust: There is no CCTV related material on the old gescommodity.com website if you look back in time via the web archives/search engine caches. You will see its about a commodities company. Later, for easier management the websites where combined. Now gescommodity.com redirects to greenearthsystems.com.au - but that's is a technicality. If you ask for a link to the GES Limited (HK) website I will give you gescommodity.com.

Yes, GES owns a diverse range of businesses, including those that deal in the security, energy, commodities and agricultural sectors (as well as biotech, like quantum dots manufacturing) - it so happens that the CCTV business required more of a web presence then the other businesses, explaining why you found more links and web presence about that business.

For example - General Electric is active in the banking, medical and energy fields. Does that mean that patients should cry scam when they are being sold GE medicine because GE is "supposed" to be a electricity generation company?

https://web.archive.org/web/20130422122659/http://www.gescommodity.com/pages-L2/gesaust.html

And this one?  (click the Australian flag)
https://web.archive.org/web/20120113103649/http://greenearthsystems.com.au/

Please explain the existence of the 2003 article when GES wasn't even in commodities back then.
https://web.archive.org/web/20100505052317/http://www.greenearthsystems.com.au/

Ask the Australian Securities and Investments Commission to apologize for listing this notice https://insolvencynotices.asic.gov.au/browsesearch-notices/notice-details/GREEN-EARTH-SYSTEMS-PTY-LTD-132561132/e210ae84-3d23-4448-a2d0-6c2e218ee440


Like I said too many red flags. I'm done here. Good luck to buyers.

Strange when i click search in the official australian goverment page i find nothing, the link and notice is created from a link of a private company which asks you 50 USD  to view the details, but if you go to goverment page you cant find it, only find it through the private company...

By the way, the notice is for deregistering, not for insolvency, and why is it still registered after like 9 months ?
76  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][URO] A Real Long Term Currency: 1 Uro = 1 Metric Tonne Urea Fertilizer on: July 06, 2014, 01:18:02 PM
In reply to https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=600639.msg7699631#msg7699631

Mr. Bohan Huang,

1. I'm not a racist. The correct term to accuse me of such is to call me a chauvinist or an elitist. Australia does not have a homogeneous culture or race - just goes to show your level of intelligence or perhaps, you never have set foot in Australia. I also said "Australian scammers have the biggest balls" not Australians have the biggest balls. To all who replied before me regarding this, you all deserve to lose your money, go back to school to learn something.

2. Regarding the different Australian scams I was referring to, this is in reference to the whole altcoin industry. Scams are getting more elaborate and more frequent like two scams in a week. Altcoin investors are becoming known as an easy target to veteran scammers in other industries. Urocoin maybe the first of many. Scams with faces, real names, and legit-looking documents will become common place since such scams are common outside Crypto e.g. Rippln pyramid scheme. (Google it, you lazy idiots). Bohan, you really like to use misdirection in your replies. This is not a court of law.

This increasing frequency of scams will be the death knell of the whole altcoin industry. There will be lesser investments, investors will rather stick to btc. This is also a warning to Shittrex. Unless there's change, there will be a downtrend. That's why I'm posting many expose'.

3. Regarding the red flags https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=600639.msg7691359#msg7691359 yes the companies have an online presence dating back to 2008 see https://web.archive.org/web/20081109034751/http://www.greenearthsystems.com.au/ and https://web.archive.org/web/20091024025014/http://www.greenearthsystems.com.au/profile.html but for five years, GES is more known as a CCTV seller rather than a commodity broker. People, you can verify by checking the site's history in the links mentioned. It is only last year or so, information about Green Earth Commodities came about. So, why in the hell there's this article dated 2003? http://greenearthsystems.com.au/green-earth-systems-joins-with-ltg-to-become-one-of-6-major-importers-of-commodity-libya/ THIS PAGE DID NOT EXIST LAST YEAR. The only evidence of international contacts is photos of Nilesh Nair with his Egyptian friends and funny thing is - in the photos, it seems that they are distributors of GES security cams. People, carefully check the photos, I'm telling you. THERE ARE NO SEPARATE COMPANIES, THEY ARE ALL GES.

Here's Stephen Lo's involvement:



Bohan: Green Earth Systems Limited is a Hong Kong company so all FUD about GES Australia is irrelevant by definition. - Yeah, right and Nilesh Nair, CEO of the whole group of companies will not be responsible for his insolvency in Australia. He signed the so-called URO Protocol. See below:



More pics here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=600639.msg7691359#msg7691359

Bohan: Green Earth Systems Pty Ltd (Australia) has an active company registration according the the Australian government: http://www.abn.business.gov.au/SearchByAbn.aspx?abn=17132561132. In light of this I would like whoever claimed GES Australia is insolvent to publicly apologise on the forum for their false defamation.
Ask the Australian Securities and Investments Commission to apologize for listing this notice https://insolvencynotices.asic.gov.au/browsesearch-notices/notice-details/GREEN-EARTH-SYSTEMS-PTY-LTD-132561132/e210ae84-3d23-4448-a2d0-6c2e218ee440

Hong Kong companies, Australian companies, Middle East companies - I can set up dozens of shell corporations if I wanted to. But the main guy is still Nilesh Nair whose Australian company is insolvent.

Am I reading this right? Truthful, scambust and co are honestly saying this is more likely to be a scam because Australians aren't to be trusted because of convicts in the 1700's? Is that seriously what this has degraded to?

Moron...no mention of such

I don't really get that line of argument at all. I'm also starting to question the motivations of some of those attacking UROcoin, now they have said their piece why are they so hell bent on attacking, what is it to them, if they don't like it why just not buy any?

I stated my reasons in number two.

Guys, bookmark this link once you lose your money so they can't leave the country if they make their millions off you.
https://www.scamwatch.gov.au/content/maintain/create/index.phtml?contentTypeName=scamwatchComplaint&informationSpaceItemId=tag.ScamwatchReportAScam&inPop=1&returnUrl=.&type=Other

and Again Stephen Lo's IS A LAWYER who registered the company, thats all
77  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][URO] A Real Long Term Currency: 1 Uro = 1 Metric Tonne Urea Fertilizer on: July 06, 2014, 12:02:10 PM
After LOLing at this thread a good deal I have to say that Australia wouldn't be a nation I'd really be worried about in terms of financial scamming. Australia as a western, developed nation is generally regarded as pretty safe place to do business and some of its cities are known for having some of the highest development/quality of life on earth. It's not exactly Nigeria is it. How many letters do you get from Australian princes asking you to transfer money to Australian banks for a 1 million dollar bonus?

I don't really get that line of argument at all. I'm also starting to question the motivations of some of those attacking UROcoin, now they have said their piece why are they so hell bent on attacking, what is it to them, if they don't like it why just not buy any?

there are 2 options
1.- traders who sold and need to buy cheaper, so daytraders
2.- hired fudders for the whales entering URO

they come with random fud so that people would sell into their buys, and just a sidenote, how long do they spend in this thread ?? if so long, how do they profit from it?
78  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][URO] A Real Long Term Currency: 1 Uro = 1 Metric Tonne Urea Fertilizer on: July 05, 2014, 09:00:07 PM
Coins Source is throwing a Yellow flag on Uro until more transparency is known.

Our review of Uro: http://www.coinssource.com/crypto-coins/uro/



Notify us if there is anything that we've may have overlooked.

Yellow flag?!?!?!?!?!?


These indicators show the REDDEST flags ever!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=600639.msg7691359#msg7691359

what price did you sell your uro ? and at what price do you stop fudding ?
Or how much are they paying you ?


just wondering Cheesy
79  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][URO] A Real Long Term Currency: 1 Uro = 1 Metric Tonne Urea Fertilizer on: July 05, 2014, 07:32:13 PM
From Uro Foundation site:


Current Board

   Global NIER: Green Earth Systems [Uro Protocol Ratification] insolvent
    India NIER: Urea Trading India [Uro Protocol Ratification] Website http://ureatradingindia.in/ looks like it was built within 2 - 3 days
    China NIER: Crown Team Corp. [Uro Protocol Ratification] Stephen Lo, associated with money launderers
    South Africa NIER: CCL Pillay Group [Uro Protocol Ratification] Cosmetic Surgeon


How many red flags you need?


   Global NIER: Green Earth Systems [Uro Protocol Ratification] http://www.abn.business.gov.au/SearchByAbnHistory.aspx?SearchText=132+561+132 Active, plus australia not HK
    India NIER: Urea Trading India [Uro Protocol Ratification] Website http://ureatradingindia.in/ looks like it was built within 2 - 3 days, i know plenty of big companies with webpages like this, specially the kind that dont need web presence
    China NIER: Crown Team Corp. [Uro Protocol Ratification] Stephen Lo, associated with money launderers / Thats the LAWYER who registered the company, of course he is connected to some criminals or whatever, its their job
    South Africa NIER: CCL Pillay Group [Uro Protocol Ratification] Cosmetic Surgeon / Im an IT guy, plus importer/Exporter, nothing wrong with that
80  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][URO] A Real Long Term Currency: 1 Uro = 1 Metric Tonne Urea Fertilizer on: July 04, 2014, 04:40:07 PM
yeahh 500$ per coin here we come

Wouldn't be so sure.  Need more info. Think NIERs need to give this community more than websites, words and unanswered questions.....before their wish if July 9.


Nier is a supplier, like newegg for bitcoin, with the difference that there is a contract which states that they will supply to any customer for the next 10 years.
Their CEO's have nothing to do in this forum, they are bussiness man who's companies are now accepting URO as a means of payment, furthermore no one forces you to buy now, or the 9th, you can wait untill its 100% confirmed to be true and buy at 300 USD and sell at 300USD Smiley

or you can buy now, and potentially sell later at a higher price, obviously what you want is to drop the price a little.


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