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61  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Difference Between Bitcoin and Crypto currency on: July 07, 2022, 01:15:08 PM
Bitcoin is the most well-known cryptocurrency, and it was for it that blockchain technology was invented. Cryptocurrency, on the other hand, is a virtual digital currency that does not have any physical form. It operates on a decentralised control system with no central banking systems.

Not all virtual encrypted currency is decentralised. Some are programmed to self destruct if they leave the video game or casino that paid for their creation. Like I said up ^^^ there somewhere, Bitcoin is functional as internet currency because it is decentralised. All cryptographically protected virtual currencies can be dubbed 'cryptocurrency' but Bitcoin, while not the first version of virtual money, is the first to have cracked it so people rightly set it apart from altcoins (or shitcoins). The media likes to try & rubbish BTC by associating it with the less successful wider crypto market, so counter culture be all casual about like 'fuck crypto this is Bitcoin' to emphasise its standout importance. Technical definitions & different voices with their agendas & subtexts can be confusing sometimes but we can get our heads round it with a little discipline Cool
62  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What's preventing bitcoin from worldwide adoption? on: July 06, 2022, 03:38:41 PM
Fact is, nobody has a right to police the internet. It is in international waters, so to speak. And internet currency has made everyone take this more seriously than ever, so that workable international law & the international constitution necessary to base it on are appearing on the horizon like never before. Some people dream of this signalling a totalitarian new world order, because of their subjective experiences with national governments & regimes of the past. But I have faith in the people. As cannabis returns to the white market for global trade & Bitcoin is increasingly established as a worldwide medium of exchange, poverty everywhere is going to decrease.
I find it a good example when you compare the situation of Bitcoin with that of hemp, where it has been demonized since its appearance and given greater responsibilities than it is, such as that it contributes to the responsibility for the global warming of the planet, forgetting the industries that produce a huge amount of carbon dioxide and how criminals and money launderers use it as if other currencies did not They are used for the same purposes. Cannabis has for decades been shunned as a narcotic that corrupts minds, forgetting its properties as a medicinally beneficial plant, which has made it a profitable commodity in the hands of gangs, criminals and all outlaws. And just as we started almost a decade ago to return cannabis to the white market and benefit from it in regulated legal frameworks, Bitcoin has already begun the journey to surface legally after the journey of demonization.

I appreciate that you are perceptive enough to pick up on this yourself. For me, there is some strange timeless synergy going on between hemp cannabis and Bitcoin right now that is a generational thing. It is a millennial & post-millennial kind of digital enlightenment, & the old-timers who have had their revolution & rebelled against their predecessors don't seem to like it. It smacks of simple jealousy, unfortunately. I understand that none of us are getting any younger & that it may be hard not to let ageing & the onset of death make you bitter but we have to try to live & let live, move over & let the heirs apparent come into their own.

I would like to see the vets & cronies have a bit more faith in currency & life & a legacy of greater health & wealth all round.

Like you say, both cannabis & Bitcoin are profoundly misunderstood & demonized by fools & deceivers alike, & it all seems some sort of existential crisis about the human condition, where the oldest & most socially entrenched are influencing what would otherwise be a joyful & liberated new kind of global society with a kind of saturnine misery-guts sort of response to things that are associated with pace & spontaneity, healing & empowerment. Anti-committalists I call them, usually disguising themselves with critique of either communism or capitalism.
63  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What's preventing bitcoin from worldwide adoption? on: July 04, 2022, 02:49:11 PM
But do you know if you today Government and World Bank passes judgement or gives order that Bitcoin is now generally acceptable as payment in all various country, use as fiat including in day life expenses, individuals has no options than to use, now taking of transactions fees it is only less than $1 and max of $2.5 depending on the gas fee at such point. As time goes we could be used to it.,
The honest truth of it is the "Volatility".  
I believe that the laws are fine, the gas fee situation will be fixed in the future for sure without a doubt. Look at Lightning Network on bitcoin right now, it spends only a few satoshis and it is incredibly fast as well.

It is not ideal right now because of security concerns and that is why we are not seeing that everywhere, but it is being worked on right now which means that when the time comes we are going to have a system where it's only like 1-5 cents per transaction and that would be amazing and it could be working towards paying right away anywhere you go as well since you wouldn't have to wait neither, it is both fast and cheap.

The laws are fine? I would rather say that laws are clearly insufficient in most cases or not very favorable regarding crypto to say the least. Actually, from where we are now I expect laws to get even worse over time, much stricter and kind of hindering worldwide adoption in some areas. Bitcoin's utility is massively suppressed by most tax laws around the world for example. If spending Bitcoin on little things even triggers taxable events, using Bitcoin would end in a total mess for most users.

They should rather foster utility with new laws while offering Bitcoin users a fair deal in terms of transparency and taxation, but that is not what lawmakers are after. 

This is the most interesting thing about Bitcoin. It is beyond the current system of 'international law' to control. All it is is a currency, & this is a system that declares the world as capitalist, themselves as liberal. So, a currency made of open-source technology based on the internet, what nation has a right to tax that? Sure, different nations can try banning it or regulating mining or taxing profits made from Bitcoin via exchanges or transactions under their jurisdiction, but what other than cronyism & pessimism & greed could be their motive? What ethical basis can there possibly be for criminalizing or legislating BTC? You can see how desperate & unscrupulous they are when they start blaming it for global warming =/

Fact is, nobody has a right to police the internet. It is in international waters, so to speak. And internet currency has made everyone take this more seriously than ever, so that workable international law & the international constitution necessary to base it on are appearing on the horizon like never before. Some people dream of this signalling a totalitarian new world order, because of their subjective experiences with national governments & regimes of the past. But I have faith in the people. As cannabis returns to the white market for global trade & Bitcoin is increasingly established as a worldwide medium of exchange, poverty everywhere is going to decrease.

As much as I would like to let you know that I fully agree, the issue with what you just said is that it is unrealistic for Bitcoin to develop into its own economic system without any tax burdens whatsoever. I would rather say that whatever generates income is taxable (under most circumstances). If Bitcoin makes you income, a tax applies. I don't think a world would work out properly without taxes. There was an interesting sentence a while ago about the rich saying they are fine with higher taxes and carry a heavier burden than the poor. Then it was added that the state donation account was just in the thousands. If the millionaires and billionaires are fine with higher taxes, why not just send money to that state controlled donation account? In a sense it is the same when I am fine with higher tax, I can either pay higher tax or impose a tax on myself through donations that I commit to. Yet that account is usually literally empty. People aren't going to support public goods the way we wish they were. Economic self-interest isn't bad per se, but it needs moderation and coordination. Tax is a tool to achieve that. I am not saying I am all for taxes in whatever form they occur, but I don't see how an economic system would support a social system without taxation requirements.

Sure they can tax associated income as you say in the form of capital gains or whatever, but my broad point still stands. Bitcoin itself as a standalone thing, unlike any other currency, cannot be claimed & thus taxed by a state agency. It relies on the internet & belongs to the users. Think about a state agency claiming jurisdiction over the internet & trying to tax Bitcoin like they do national currencies, I think that is unrealistic.

I totally get what you are saying and I am not arguing against your point from a theoretical perspective. The reality, however, will turn out to be quite different. Before the governments forego any significant tax income, they would rather build cross boarder alliances in order to set up a tax regime that ensures nobody can get away with amassing wealth while not paying any tax.

Please elaborate further once more for me: so you say that when I buy Bitcoin at 10,000 a piece, and I use that Bitcoin to buy a car for 20,000 a piece, should I, according to your viewpoint, be taxed by my government or not? Could you give one or two examples when you think a tax should apply and when not?

Simply put, if two traders anywhere on earth decide to buy/sell a car in Bitcoin, then they cannot be taxed. The caveat I am trying to add is that once people establish a business based in one or another national jurisdiction doing this then they can be taxed. Also, once people trade their Bitcoin in for any national currency the state agency responsible may impose income or capital gains tax on that. But as long as Bitcoin remains Bitcoin & in the hands of private individuals it cannot & should not be taxed. From my understanding the logic of taxation is that in partaking of a national economy & its exchange medium or currency you are using a service & there is an implied cost. The amount & kind of taxation that is acceptable will probably be the stuff of intense debate for all posterity. But to tax Bitcoin as is you would have to be the centrist state agency ruling over its jurisdiction which is the internet hence it is able to be 'decentralised'. I am not saying that state agencies would never be able to extort or steal Bitcoin & call it taxation because unfortunately anything is possible, but that it will never transparently become standard practice overall because it is contrary to legitimate authority & unethical. This is why the established 'international order' & crony capitalists & their state media have been sidestepping BTC until lately when they have started throwing all manner of kind of childish FUD its way. They don't understand it. It scares them. The opportunity for universal profiteering is unprecedented & the sleepers & party poopers are being forced to reveal themselves  Shocked

64  Economy / Economics / Re: UK inflation hits new high of 9.1% as food and energy price surge persists on: July 03, 2022, 07:12:31 PM
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One cannot pull up the drawbridge & breed with cousins indefinitely. That sort of thing is what got us into this mess Roll Eyes

As I understand the idioms, you tried to say that "this process won't last forever". Yes, I agree it won't last forever, but it could go on for decades that could make us all more miserable. And at the end of the process, we can say "I wish I had carried the suspension bridge alone". Smiley

For those of us actually stranded on the physical state of 'blighty', we may be aware of some higher portion of misery. Be it the weather or the food or the queuing up & waiting forever to be told to come back next week, the national culture seems self aware as being melancholic shall we say.

I think 'globalisation' & 'decolonisation' are real processes while mostly poorly explained. I think they have something to do with the unusual levels of despair we can associate with specifically 'UK inflation' as opposed to the general fan-splattering going on everywhere but the oligarch's retreat  Grin
65  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What's preventing bitcoin from worldwide adoption? on: July 03, 2022, 07:06:24 PM
But do you know if you today Government and World Bank passes judgement or gives order that Bitcoin is now generally acceptable as payment in all various country, use as fiat including in day life expenses, individuals has no options than to use, now taking of transactions fees it is only less than $1 and max of $2.5 depending on the gas fee at such point. As time goes we could be used to it.,
The honest truth of it is the "Volatility".  
I believe that the laws are fine, the gas fee situation will be fixed in the future for sure without a doubt. Look at Lightning Network on bitcoin right now, it spends only a few satoshis and it is incredibly fast as well.

It is not ideal right now because of security concerns and that is why we are not seeing that everywhere, but it is being worked on right now which means that when the time comes we are going to have a system where it's only like 1-5 cents per transaction and that would be amazing and it could be working towards paying right away anywhere you go as well since you wouldn't have to wait neither, it is both fast and cheap.

The laws are fine? I would rather say that laws are clearly insufficient in most cases or not very favorable regarding crypto to say the least. Actually, from where we are now I expect laws to get even worse over time, much stricter and kind of hindering worldwide adoption in some areas. Bitcoin's utility is massively suppressed by most tax laws around the world for example. If spending Bitcoin on little things even triggers taxable events, using Bitcoin would end in a total mess for most users.

They should rather foster utility with new laws while offering Bitcoin users a fair deal in terms of transparency and taxation, but that is not what lawmakers are after. 

This is the most interesting thing about Bitcoin. It is beyond the current system of 'international law' to control. All it is is a currency, & this is a system that declares the world as capitalist, themselves as liberal. So, a currency made of open-source technology based on the internet, what nation has a right to tax that? Sure, different nations can try banning it or regulating mining or taxing profits made from Bitcoin via exchanges or transactions under their jurisdiction, but what other than cronyism & pessimism & greed could be their motive? What ethical basis can there possibly be for criminalizing or legislating BTC? You can see how desperate & unscrupulous they are when they start blaming it for global warming =/

Fact is, nobody has a right to police the internet. It is in international waters, so to speak. And internet currency has made everyone take this more seriously than ever, so that workable international law & the international constitution necessary to base it on are appearing on the horizon like never before. Some people dream of this signalling a totalitarian new world order, because of their subjective experiences with national governments & regimes of the past. But I have faith in the people. As cannabis returns to the white market for global trade & Bitcoin is increasingly established as a worldwide medium of exchange, poverty everywhere is going to decrease.

As much as I would like to let you know that I fully agree, the issue with what you just said is that it is unrealistic for Bitcoin to develop into its own economic system without any tax burdens whatsoever. I would rather say that whatever generates income is taxable (under most circumstances). If Bitcoin makes you income, a tax applies. I don't think a world would work out properly without taxes. There was an interesting sentence a while ago about the rich saying they are fine with higher taxes and carry a heavier burden than the poor. Then it was added that the state donation account was just in the thousands. If the millionaires and billionaires are fine with higher taxes, why not just send money to that state controlled donation account? In a sense it is the same when I am fine with higher tax, I can either pay higher tax or impose a tax on myself through donations that I commit to. Yet that account is usually literally empty. People aren't going to support public goods the way we wish they were. Economic self-interest isn't bad per se, but it needs moderation and coordination. Tax is a tool to achieve that. I am not saying I am all for taxes in whatever form they occur, but I don't see how an economic system would support a social system without taxation requirements.

Sure they can tax associated income as you say in the form of capital gains or whatever, but my broad point still stands. Bitcoin itself as a standalone thing, unlike any other currency, cannot be claimed & thus taxed by a state agency. It relies on the internet & belongs to the users. Think about a state agency claiming jurisdiction over the internet & trying to tax Bitcoin like they do national currencies, I think that is unrealistic.
66  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Difference Between Bitcoin and Crypto currency on: July 03, 2022, 07:00:52 PM
Going through a lot of thread here,Am convinced that Bitcoin and cryptocurrency serves as a means of Exchange for trading.
Am still trying to understand the clear difference between the both and know how to place them in their separate parts..
I'll like to know more and be corrected where am wrong.
Bitcoin is the first cryptocurrency created. All other cryptocurrencies created afterwards are called altcoins. Bitcoin is the most popular cryptocurrency and is a more trusted investment than altcoins.

Going through a lot of thread here,Am convinced that Bitcoin and cryptocurrency serves as a means of A Exchange for trading.
When you write exchange like that in a Bitcoin forum, it immediately appears to the mind that you’re referring to a crypto exchange.

trusted yes, but unfortunately not now with its huge drop  Embarrassed

For an asset to drop like it has after rising like it did is quite predictable, especially when you consider the lack of general understanding about what Bitcoin is & the innovative, experimental, even revolutionary nature of the technology.
67  Economy / Economics / Re: UK inflation hits new high of 9.1% as food and energy price surge persists on: July 02, 2022, 04:29:14 PM
We are talking about a global crisis... We are entering a period in which national values come to the fore while globalization is getting fragile. Now every country uses its own food and energy wealth as a weapon. This situation creates imbalances as it prevents us from using the world's wealth efficiently. That's why, as developed and developing countries, we are all in a crisis. If the crisis turns into a long-term economic war, the way to get out of this crisis will not be to increase interest rates.

One cannot pull up the drawbridge & breed with cousins indefinitely. That sort of thing is what got us into this mess Roll Eyes
68  Economy / Economics / Re: UK inflation hits new high of 9.1% as food and energy price surge persists on: July 01, 2022, 07:17:16 PM
What would possibly be the recommendation to fight inflation ?
How can it be tackled, what will you advice .
Food shortage and the increase in transportation fees are currently on a high increase.

According to economic experts, government have no sure ways to stop inflation,  they can control it by reducing the money in circulation through high interest rate (I.e the government will increase the interest rate for borrowing or securing a loan) to reduce the demand for consumer goods.

Increase in transportation is as a result of increase in gas which was caused by first the pandemic and by the Russian/Ukraine war.

Food shortage also caused by the pandemic as a result of limited supply due to a halt in the supply chain system. The world is still on recovery process and there is little the government can do to address this situation thud it will be a gradual process to get out of inflation.

Never trust anyone called an 'economic expert' =)

Governments get together to decide the price of things based on supply, which as everyone knows for years in the case of gas & oil has been running out. The same governments are impeding the transition to renewables & the reason is worse than you think. They are ruling families & dynasties only maintaining their position by putting the majority of us at a relative disadvantage, so they can't be overthrown by revolution, or 'democracy'. The Russia/Ukraine war is a smokescreen for these power-mad prehistoric autocrats & theocrats who will continue to disperse & distract us as long as they are permitted.
69  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What's preventing bitcoin from worldwide adoption? on: July 01, 2022, 07:08:01 PM
But do you know if you today Government and World Bank passes judgement or gives order that Bitcoin is now generally acceptable as payment in all various country, use as fiat including in day life expenses, individuals has no options than to use, now taking of transactions fees it is only less than $1 and max of $2.5 depending on the gas fee at such point. As time goes we could be used to it.,
The honest truth of it is the "Volatility".  
I believe that the laws are fine, the gas fee situation will be fixed in the future for sure without a doubt. Look at Lightning Network on bitcoin right now, it spends only a few satoshis and it is incredibly fast as well.

It is not ideal right now because of security concerns and that is why we are not seeing that everywhere, but it is being worked on right now which means that when the time comes we are going to have a system where it's only like 1-5 cents per transaction and that would be amazing and it could be working towards paying right away anywhere you go as well since you wouldn't have to wait neither, it is both fast and cheap.

The laws are fine? I would rather say that laws are clearly insufficient in most cases or not very favorable regarding crypto to say the least. Actually, from where we are now I expect laws to get even worse over time, much stricter and kind of hindering worldwide adoption in some areas. Bitcoin's utility is massively suppressed by most tax laws around the world for example. If spending Bitcoin on little things even triggers taxable events, using Bitcoin would end in a total mess for most users.

They should rather foster utility with new laws while offering Bitcoin users a fair deal in terms of transparency and taxation, but that is not what lawmakers are after. 

This is the most interesting thing about Bitcoin. It is beyond the current system of 'international law' to control. All it is is a currency, & this is a system that declares the world as capitalist, themselves as liberal. So, a currency made of open-source technology based on the internet, what nation has a right to tax that? Sure, different nations can try banning it or regulating mining or taxing profits made from Bitcoin via exchanges or transactions under their jurisdiction, but what other than cronyism & pessimism & greed could be their motive? What ethical basis can there possibly be for criminalizing or legislating BTC? You can see how desperate & unscrupulous they are when they start blaming it for global warming =/

Fact is, nobody has a right to police the internet. It is in international waters, so to speak. And internet currency has made everyone take this more seriously than ever, so that workable international law & the international constitution necessary to base it on are appearing on the horizon like never before. Some people dream of this signalling a totalitarian new world order, because of their subjective experiences with national governments & regimes of the past. But I have faith in the people. As cannabis returns to the white market for global trade & Bitcoin is increasingly established as a worldwide medium of exchange, poverty everywhere is going to decrease.
70  Economy / Economics / Re: UK inflation hits new high of 9.1% as food and energy price surge persists on: July 01, 2022, 02:47:27 PM
The reason, well at least the main reason would be the fact that in the smaller nations it is easier for politicians to be corrupt. I know that makes sense to people who lived in a small nation, and maybe people who live in 100+ million population type of places may not understand this.

But, when you live in a nation with a small population, a small economy, and of course a small number of voters total, that means that you could be corrupt and you can get away with it, because you are reaching out to a lot of people with your corruption and getting their vote as well. You could literally have a few industry giants in your pocket, keep being a president thanks to that, and control the whole media since it is only a few channels.

You couldn't be more wrong on this one.
If large countries over 100 million would be less corrupt then probably Russia, China, India, Mexico and Brazil will be don't eh top of the list of model countries, right?
In reality, look who's leading the pack

Denmark, New Zealand, Finland, Singapore and Sweden, all five of them barely make 30 million in population.
Size has nothing to do, be it land or population.

I think everything is just beginning. The most interesting is ahead. Great Britain has chosen the course of the movement for itself and these are its results. Continuing to move at such a pace, the country will be ruined. The country can move far, far back in the time of the dinosaurs. Well, we'll see what happens next. What else will the old woman have enough strength...

Oh yeah, backward-going Britain, that keeps getting ruined and ruined, yet still able to design every damn chip in mobile phones nowadays.
This is like the commies waiting in bread lines for the US to collapse.


And God save Prince Andrew's blessed Y-fronts!

I doubt the Americans are as eager to bring you up as you always are them though Wink
71  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Newbies: Don't panic and learn to hold on: July 01, 2022, 02:42:02 PM
There is a lot in the news today about how Bitcoin has just experienced its worst quarter in 11 years. I think we should remember though: that quarter followed the best performing year in its entire history. This is a natural cooling-off period, finding a new bottom & plateau. Anyone who does a little research & reflection should realise that BTC chronicles the computerization of currency with the fullness of its potential in mind.
72  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Joe Biden is a senile, old Bitch on: July 01, 2022, 02:33:09 PM
The Zionists totally control compromised creepy Joe. Their influence seems to be the main obstacle to American democracy.

Why no one ever throw shit while this old bitch is doing press con is really surprising when Americans have all the freedom to do so. If it were some other countries where people are more concern of their safety and well being, the crowd rallies already like the January 6 riot. But this old bitch is a demo.

Americans don't be havin' that kind of freedom. That is the freedom to not give a shit what powerful government agencies can do to you because your life & everyday environment are pretty rough around the edges anyway, so you getting crazy mad. All the scare stories about the rust belt & the opiate epidemic & rise of hate speech or whatever, which may well have some basis in reality, are only saleable because the American standard of life is one of the highest in the world.

What I'm really looking forward to for America is for them to get legal weed nationwide, which will speed up the decriminalization process globally. The demonization of cannabis & associated 'war on drugs' is one of the biggest crimes against humanity & impediments to happiness of living history. And the difficulties involved from Anslinger to Schumer are surely revealing about the kind of nuances we have in our imperfect 'Christian West'. I like some form of secular humanism & to consider myself an earthling whose capital centre is the sun =D
73  Economy / Economics / Re: UK inflation hits new high of 9.1% as food and energy price surge persists on: June 29, 2022, 07:00:43 PM
I think everything is just beginning. The most interesting is ahead. Great Britain has chosen the course of the movement for itself and these are its results. Continuing to move at such a pace, the country will be ruined. The country can move far, far back in the time of the dinosaurs. Well, we'll see what happens next. What else will the old woman have enough strength...

How do you think it is that as an entity this 'Britain' thing does seem to be always looking backward? Whether it is watching some 'period drama' or listening to some teenage pop star get nostalgic about their misspent youth, it does seem to me to be a regressive or at least retrospective culture. Is it as simple as the fact that we have a lot to go on when it comes to the past and history so it is easier to talk about and is less contentious than the future? Or is there something else going on. Like, does a globally oriented colonial master of this culture deliberately train/programme nationals to always be looking backward so that there is less competition for the future?



74  Other / Off-topic / Re: Communism vs capitalism: another divide & conquer strategy? on: June 28, 2022, 03:36:23 PM
I think holding strongly to a particular ideology without considering the good part of others is kind of extremism.

I hear that, it taps into a primal part of people that doesn't really want to offer solutions or make anything better, but is just looking for a fight. But it doesn't want that all out chaos, it wants to retain some safety as an individual in the thick of it, so camouflages itself with political ideology & jargon.

You know what I would like to see, I would like to see a website or bunch of services with a universal automatic translation feature where users could set a fluency & input typos would be strictly flagged for editing etc.. So like social media for the whole earth to use at the same time. It could be quietly revolutionary. I am sure it is technologically feasible & could be a huge commercial success but might also meet initial resistance based on legal or political concerns, which again could really be just some kind of ancient paranoid prejudice.

It might help with one peculiar problem that all who dream of a more inclusive & better integrated global society still face: the language barrier.

Lack of understanding of ideas could be part of the problem. Rigid people may mean no harm but are just being careful of what can cause them problems... They could try to resist what they do not understand as a defensive mechanism.
It's important to allow people find faults or issues with something you are offering them as solutions to their problems. Good solutions will be faultless or without issues and No good person will reject good/faultless solutions. if someone rejects good solution or calls it evil & the evil good, then you consider him/her as corrupt mind who should be avoided to prevent a situation where evil spreads and corrupt a healthy population.  People will likely surrender if they find no fault in an idea. If after finding no fault in the solution you are offering them and it's still rejected then you and others know who the problem is.

In regards to the language barrier,  I believe that is beneficial when the whole is becoming evil as it can slow the evil down & prevent the whole from getting quickly corrupted and destroy itself. So, preventing easy communication can be one of the ways to slow down the full corruption of the whole.

What so you think that the world goes through stages of being good & evil? Sounds a bit superstitious to me Ucy. What if the idea of evil was only invented to give evil people an excuse for imposing themselves on those they had singled out as evil? What if they are scapegoating, creating fall-guys, abusing & undermining the force of law & order & carrying out unjust persecution against people they secretly hate on a prejudicial partisan basis so seek to stigmatise?

For my part I would argue that the false dichotomy of communism vs capitalism is evil, because (not without irony) of the falsification of the dualism. They are interdependent aspects of one complex whole & to convince the uninitiated that their apparent differences are down to separateness & conflict goes against the constructive scheme of things. I think most people think & act as individuals to transcend the irrational apathetic parts of themselves to try & keep up with the organic world around them. Not the decisions of other people, but the motions of the solar system & phenomena in the universe etc..

There is nothing superstitious about the belief in the existence of evil (or bad). It's existence is a fact which is recognized by most people & can be seen in nature as a force that create problems and lowers the quality of existence. You remind me of my former life as an atheist trying to rationalize evil to make meaning out of things that are difficult to understand. I later realized my mistakes and things have been wonderful for me ever since.

There is a CREATOR whose purpose is to bring things into existence and keep them free of errors. The purpose in summary is to keep things very good and to destroy evil

All sounds a wee bit jewish to me Ucy Smiley I think it's childish & half baked. You see it states explicitly in the Abrahamic holy books time & again that the supreme deity is 'the truth' & that is about the only statement of fact around it I can identify. The almighty supreme agency is 'the truth' because anything opposed to the truth has to be by definition a falsehood, fabrication, delusion or lie. And however enjoyable that opposition to the truth may be, that lie, it will always get found out & discarded for something more useful, i.e. the truth. Truth is not a judge or a creator, though, these are merely the subjective experiences of those who have entertained lies with an unconscious awareness meanwhile of the overpowering presence of the truth, which is everywhere and cannot be contained or explained.

The difficulty with wanting to serve good & destroy evil is of course that you are probably going to be required to hurt & oppress others that you perceive to act on the behalf of this superstitious force. At which point their innocent loved ones may understandably declare you to be evil, & the vicious cycle continues

For the record I would only ever identify religiously as a Taoist, as to me that is the only form of religion which always bears in mind the ungraspable nature of the infinite.

What exactly is Jewish, childish and half baked? The belief in evil or the existence of a CREATOR?
I hope you stick to the topic.

Well Ucy both of those things seem like that to me. And the topic is not good vs evil, as I said I consider that stupid. I don't care about fairy stories & horror movies, I care about history lessons & relentless false narratives & the dualistic deception of communism vs capitalism as destroying the authentic socio-political tendencies of real human beings. It doesn't have to become an oversimplified theological debate. It is a serious issue.

The belief in evil & the existence of an almighty creator who created everything presumably including evil but who now wants to destroy evil is wrong headed to me. It is the kind of bullshit that kept medieval peasants in the dark & now neoconservative reactionary forces are trying to put the masses on the same footing using another, similar dualism. Breed communists to think of themselves as good and their capitalist enemies as evil & vice versa. It is almost so simple a formula as to be demeaning & commonly overlooked. But it occupies the educational space, it is doctrine, it pervades the daily life of dominant culture through the media & so while I respect your stance in terms of basically staying out of it & sticking to what works for you personally, eventually it will interfere with your life too.

Alright. You are already sounding defeated with unnecessary emotions and vulgar. If I continue with you that will make me come down to this low level and make me feel inferior

I didn't mean to make anyone feel inferior. I just want you to understand that the forces you & the community are experiencing lately have less to do with 'good & evil' & more to do with historical process & the psychological strain of superimposing upon money the value of material necessities as part of a long-term development project. These are historical & political forces roused in the cypher of Bitcoin. There is no metaphysical duality at play. Religion is a ponzi scheme Tongue
75  Other / Off-topic / Re: Communism vs capitalism: another divide & conquer strategy? on: June 28, 2022, 03:15:00 PM
I think holding strongly to a particular ideology without considering the good part of others is kind of extremism.

I hear that, it taps into a primal part of people that doesn't really want to offer solutions or make anything better, but is just looking for a fight. But it doesn't want that all out chaos, it wants to retain some safety as an individual in the thick of it, so camouflages itself with political ideology & jargon.

You know what I would like to see, I would like to see a website or bunch of services with a universal automatic translation feature where users could set a fluency & input typos would be strictly flagged for editing etc.. So like social media for the whole earth to use at the same time. It could be quietly revolutionary. I am sure it is technologically feasible & could be a huge commercial success but might also meet initial resistance based on legal or political concerns, which again could really be just some kind of ancient paranoid prejudice.

It might help with one peculiar problem that all who dream of a more inclusive & better integrated global society still face: the language barrier.

Lack of understanding of ideas could be part of the problem. Rigid people may mean no harm but are just being careful of what can cause them problems... They could try to resist what they do not understand as a defensive mechanism.
It's important to allow people find faults or issues with something you are offering them as solutions to their problems. Good solutions will be faultless or without issues and No good person will reject good/faultless solutions. if someone rejects good solution or calls it evil & the evil good, then you consider him/her as corrupt mind who should be avoided to prevent a situation where evil spreads and corrupt a healthy population.  People will likely surrender if they find no fault in an idea. If after finding no fault in the solution you are offering them and it's still rejected then you and others know who the problem is.

In regards to the language barrier,  I believe that is beneficial when the whole is becoming evil as it can slow the evil down & prevent the whole from getting quickly corrupted and destroy itself. So, preventing easy communication can be one of the ways to slow down the full corruption of the whole.

What so you think that the world goes through stages of being good & evil? Sounds a bit superstitious to me Ucy. What if the idea of evil was only invented to give evil people an excuse for imposing themselves on those they had singled out as evil? What if they are scapegoating, creating fall-guys, abusing & undermining the force of law & order & carrying out unjust persecution against people they secretly hate on a prejudicial partisan basis so seek to stigmatise?

For my part I would argue that the false dichotomy of communism vs capitalism is evil, because (not without irony) of the falsification of the dualism. They are interdependent aspects of one complex whole & to convince the uninitiated that their apparent differences are down to separateness & conflict goes against the constructive scheme of things. I think most people think & act as individuals to transcend the irrational apathetic parts of themselves to try & keep up with the organic world around them. Not the decisions of other people, but the motions of the solar system & phenomena in the universe etc..

There is nothing superstitious about the belief in the existence of evil (or bad). It's existence is a fact which is recognized by most people & can be seen in nature as a force that create problems and lowers the quality of existence. You remind me of my former life as an atheist trying to rationalize evil to make meaning out of things that are difficult to understand. I later realized my mistakes and things have been wonderful for me ever since.

There is a CREATOR whose purpose is to bring things into existence and keep them free of errors. The purpose in summary is to keep things very good and to destroy evil

All sounds a wee bit jewish to me Ucy Smiley I think it's childish & half baked. You see it states explicitly in the Abrahamic holy books time & again that the supreme deity is 'the truth' & that is about the only statement of fact around it I can identify. The almighty supreme agency is 'the truth' because anything opposed to the truth has to be by definition a falsehood, fabrication, delusion or lie. And however enjoyable that opposition to the truth may be, that lie, it will always get found out & discarded for something more useful, i.e. the truth. Truth is not a judge or a creator, though, these are merely the subjective experiences of those who have entertained lies with an unconscious awareness meanwhile of the overpowering presence of the truth, which is everywhere and cannot be contained or explained.

The difficulty with wanting to serve good & destroy evil is of course that you are probably going to be required to hurt & oppress others that you perceive to act on the behalf of this superstitious force. At which point their innocent loved ones may understandably declare you to be evil, & the vicious cycle continues

For the record I would only ever identify religiously as a Taoist, as to me that is the only form of religion which always bears in mind the ungraspable nature of the infinite.

What exactly is Jewish, childish and half baked? The belief in evil or the existence of a CREATOR?
I hope you stick to the topic.

Well Ucy both of those things seem like that to me. And the topic is not good vs evil, as I said I consider that stupid. I don't care about fairy stories & horror movies, I care about history lessons & relentless false narratives & the dualistic deception of communism vs capitalism as destroying the authentic socio-political tendencies of real human beings. It doesn't have to become an oversimplified theological debate. It is a serious issue.

The belief in evil & the existence of an almighty creator who created everything presumably including evil but who now wants to destroy evil is wrong headed to me. It is the kind of bullshit that kept medieval peasants in the dark & now neoconservative reactionary forces are trying to put the masses on the same footing using another, similar dualism. Breed communists to think of themselves as good and their capitalist enemies as evil & vice versa. It is almost so simple a formula as to be demeaning & commonly overlooked. But it occupies the educational space, it is doctrine, it pervades the daily life of dominant culture through the media & so while I respect your stance in terms of basically staying out of it & sticking to what works for you personally, eventually it will interfere with your life too.
76  Other / Off-topic / Re: Communism vs capitalism: another divide & conquer strategy? on: June 28, 2022, 02:33:59 PM
I think holding strongly to a particular ideology without considering the good part of others is kind of extremism.

I hear that, it taps into a primal part of people that doesn't really want to offer solutions or make anything better, but is just looking for a fight. But it doesn't want that all out chaos, it wants to retain some safety as an individual in the thick of it, so camouflages itself with political ideology & jargon.

You know what I would like to see, I would like to see a website or bunch of services with a universal automatic translation feature where users could set a fluency & input typos would be strictly flagged for editing etc.. So like social media for the whole earth to use at the same time. It could be quietly revolutionary. I am sure it is technologically feasible & could be a huge commercial success but might also meet initial resistance based on legal or political concerns, which again could really be just some kind of ancient paranoid prejudice.

It might help with one peculiar problem that all who dream of a more inclusive & better integrated global society still face: the language barrier.

Lack of understanding of ideas could be part of the problem. Rigid people may mean no harm but are just being careful of what can cause them problems... They could try to resist what they do not understand as a defensive mechanism.
It's important to allow people find faults or issues with something you are offering them as solutions to their problems. Good solutions will be faultless or without issues and No good person will reject good/faultless solutions. if someone rejects good solution or calls it evil & the evil good, then you consider him/her as corrupt mind who should be avoided to prevent a situation where evil spreads and corrupt a healthy population.  People will likely surrender if they find no fault in an idea. If after finding no fault in the solution you are offering them and it's still rejected then you and others know who the problem is.

In regards to the language barrier,  I believe that is beneficial when the whole is becoming evil as it can slow the evil down & prevent the whole from getting quickly corrupted and destroy itself. So, preventing easy communication can be one of the ways to slow down the full corruption of the whole.

What so you think that the world goes through stages of being good & evil? Sounds a bit superstitious to me Ucy. What if the idea of evil was only invented to give evil people an excuse for imposing themselves on those they had singled out as evil? What if they are scapegoating, creating fall-guys, abusing & undermining the force of law & order & carrying out unjust persecution against people they secretly hate on a prejudicial partisan basis so seek to stigmatise?

For my part I would argue that the false dichotomy of communism vs capitalism is evil, because (not without irony) of the falsification of the dualism. They are interdependent aspects of one complex whole & to convince the uninitiated that their apparent differences are down to separateness & conflict goes against the constructive scheme of things. I think most people think & act as individuals to transcend the irrational apathetic parts of themselves to try & keep up with the organic world around them. Not the decisions of other people, but the motions of the solar system & phenomena in the universe etc..

There is nothing superstitious about the belief in the existence of evil (or bad). It's existence is a fact which is recognized by most people & can be seen in nature as a force that create problems and lowers the quality of existence. You remind me of my former life as an atheist trying to rationalize evil to make meaning out of things that are difficult to understand. I later realized my mistakes and things have been wonderful for me ever since.

There is a CREATOR whose purpose is to bring things into existence and keep them free of errors. The purpose in summary is to keep things very good and to destroy evil

All sounds a wee bit jewish to me Ucy Smiley I think it's childish & half baked. You see it states explicitly in the Abrahamic holy books time & again that the supreme deity is 'the truth' & that is about the only statement of fact around it I can identify. The almighty supreme agency is 'the truth' because anything opposed to the truth has to be by definition a falsehood, fabrication, delusion or lie. And however enjoyable that opposition to the truth may be, that lie, it will always get found out & discarded for something more useful, i.e. the truth. Truth is not a judge or a creator, though, these are merely the subjective experiences of those who have entertained lies with an unconscious awareness meanwhile of the overpowering presence of the truth, which is everywhere and cannot be contained or explained.

The difficulty with wanting to serve good & destroy evil is of course that you are probably going to be required to hurt & oppress others that you perceive to act on the behalf of this superstitious force. At which point their innocent loved ones may understandably declare you to be evil, & the vicious cycle continues

For the record I would only ever identify religiously as a Taoist, as to me that is the only form of religion which always bears in mind the ungraspable nature of the infinite.
77  Other / Off-topic / Re: Communism vs capitalism: another divide & conquer strategy? on: June 28, 2022, 01:07:04 PM
I think holding strongly to a particular ideology without considering the good part of others is kind of extremism.

I hear that, it taps into a primal part of people that doesn't really want to offer solutions or make anything better, but is just looking for a fight. But it doesn't want that all out chaos, it wants to retain some safety as an individual in the thick of it, so camouflages itself with political ideology & jargon.

You know what I would like to see, I would like to see a website or bunch of services with a universal automatic translation feature where users could set a fluency & input typos would be strictly flagged for editing etc.. So like social media for the whole earth to use at the same time. It could be quietly revolutionary. I am sure it is technologically feasible & could be a huge commercial success but might also meet initial resistance based on legal or political concerns, which again could really be just some kind of ancient paranoid prejudice.

It might help with one peculiar problem that all who dream of a more inclusive & better integrated global society still face: the language barrier.

Lack of understanding of ideas could be part of the problem. Rigid people may mean no harm but are just being careful of what can cause them problems... They could try to resist what they do not understand as a defensive mechanism.
It's important to allow people find faults or issues with something you are offering them as solutions to their problems. Good solutions will be faultless or without issues and No good person will reject good/faultless solutions. if someone rejects good solution or calls it evil & the evil good, then you consider him/her as corrupt mind who should be avoided to prevent a situation where evil spreads and corrupt a healthy population.  People will likely surrender if they find no fault in an idea. If after finding no fault in the solution you are offering them and it's still rejected then you and others know who the problem is.

In regards to the language barrier,  I believe that is beneficial when the whole is becoming evil as it can slow the evil down & prevent the whole from getting quickly corrupted and destroy itself. So, preventing easy communication can be one of the ways to slow down the full corruption of the whole.

What so you think that the world goes through stages of being good & evil? Sounds a bit superstitious to me Ucy. What if the idea of evil was only invented to give evil people an excuse for imposing themselves on those they had singled out as evil? What if they are scapegoating, creating fall-guys, abusing & undermining the force of law & order & carrying out unjust persecution against people they secretly hate on a prejudicial partisan basis so seek to stigmatise?

For my part I would argue that the false dichotomy of communism vs capitalism is evil, because (not without irony) of the falsification of the dualism. They are interdependent aspects of one complex whole & to convince the uninitiated that their apparent differences are down to separateness & conflict goes against the constructive scheme of things. I think most people think & act as individuals to transcend the irrational apathetic parts of themselves to try & keep up with the organic world around them. Not the decisions of other people, but the motions of the solar system & phenomena in the universe etc..
78  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Choose Wisely on: June 27, 2022, 08:16:31 PM
I would choose the 10 BTC wait 10 years then hold meetings with Musk about becoming a significant shareholder in SpaceX B)

Much sooner than 10 years from now, the whole world will have been involved in WW4 to the extent that nobody knows what will be available for anybody, or even if anybody will be alive.

Cool

I think that's a little bit pessimistic to say the least. The only context within which life as we know it could have come about is an endless universe of infinite possibilities. So everything has been around forever & will continue that way. Granted some of 'us' will probably kill each other or ourselves or both this very instant, somewhere. But in more mundane terms we will see the historically established order pass away & see Bitcoin change the face of capitalism forever, over coming decades.

 Grin


What we are really waiting for is midterm elections, so that we can tell that here is hope... that Biden will lose, and that Trump will win. Can Trump turn the Biden deception and war-mongering around on time? Who knows? But he will at least make the effort.

The point is that there is easily time for the world to be saved from disaster in 10 years. But it's not guaranteed.

Cool

America doesn't need Trump or Biden she needs to get back to her original ethic & support an end to the war on weed & promote the non centrist global model with things like Bitcoin. If America would energetically support an inclusive global market in cannabis Bitcoin incorporated then her 21st century legacy could quickly become one of beginning the end of absolute poverty & human slavery in our lifetimes.

 Shocked
79  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What's preventing bitcoin from worldwide adoption? on: June 27, 2022, 08:07:12 PM
In general, bitcoin has already become a global currency. Especially if you pay attention to how some countries began to deal with this)

It's internet money so can be used everywhere there is internet which is pretty much global like sklopan says. And some myopic reactionary elements in the international economy feel threatened by it. They fail to recognise that as a medium of exchange with arguably universal value Bitcoin streamlines all economics & fiat trading. Also as the default global currency the USD relies as we know not on a gold standard but basically on America's 'national security' & 'standing in the world' which boils down to enforcement. War is a racket like Smedley Butler said & the value imposed by the collective consciousness onto dollars is largely as a result of military & structural power. So when something like Bitcoin emerges that can be & as said is perceived as a threat the response can be in some ways violent or reminiscent of violence.
80  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Choose Wisely on: June 27, 2022, 07:06:31 PM
I would choose the 10 BTC wait 10 years then hold meetings with Musk about becoming a significant shareholder in SpaceX B)

Much sooner than 10 years from now, the whole world will have been involved in WW4 to the extent that nobody knows what will be available for anybody, or even if anybody will be alive.

Cool

I think that's a little bit pessimistic to say the least. The only context within which life as we know it could have come about is an endless universe of infinite possibilities. So everything has been around forever & will continue that way. Granted some of 'us' will probably kill each other or ourselves or both this very instant, somewhere. But in more mundane terms we will see the historically established order pass away & see Bitcoin change the face of capitalism forever, over coming decades.

 Grin
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