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61  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 21, 2019, 04:21:47 PM
We should have gone to 60-80K last time.
Futures killed the run prematurely.
Maybe, to 'compensate', we will go 600-800X this time instead of even lower multiple (32X).

Autism overload.  It's not possible for the price of Bitcoin to go to the moon and not have mining massively expand to match.  Nobody would ever buy an $80k Bitcoin if they can just mine one for $3k cost of production.  But it's not really possible for mining to increase by something like an order of magnitude or it would probably use more power than the entire United States.  In other words, the Bitcoin pump and dump scam is now butting up against the limits of the natural world for how high it can be artificially rigged with Tethers.

It's an interesting argument but you are wrong, and here's why: mining Bitcoin is a function of money and time. You can do the math for yourself but I'd guesstimate that $3k of mining equipment now would take you about a year to get a full Bitcoin, nevermind what it's going to take when the Bitcoin difficulty is exponentially higher years from now.
62  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 16, 2019, 04:49:37 PM
imaginary, valueless, digital shitcoins

Sorry for quoting Roach but it seems he's trying to follow his idol's advice:

"If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed." - Adolf Hitler

WRONG.  The "big lie" is the Bitcoin whitepaper itself.  A "peer to peer currency with no middlemen", except every transaction requires three or more parties AND government infrastructure to boot, so it's obviously not peer to peer, and each transaction also has built-in, rent seeking middlemen (transaction validators).  Then the transaction validators are designed to centralize too.  Virtually everything about the whitepaper is a lie.  It is YOU PEOPLE who are the big lie. 

A "peer to peer" transaction with no middlemen is NOT EVEN POSSIBLE using Bitcoin.  It's possible with real money, though - physical metals.

r0ach if you wrote without all of the hate I think more people would take you seriously. I often read this thread in the hope that folks will see through your hate and argue you on the merit of what you are saying, which is hard with all the awful rhetoric you add. Nonetheless, you're omitting a key part of the whitepaper, I don't know if you are doing so in order to suit your narrative (great troll if you are) or if you have not carefully read and considered the whitepaper in the right context. The middlemen being referred to in the whitepaper are those that include a key characteristic which Bitcoin is designed to exclude, i.e., the element of blindly delegated trust. We don't trust the validators just because we are told to do so, as in the existing financial system, instead they are trusted as a result of the work they do which anyone in turn can verify and do for themselves .

From the whitepaper:

"These costs and payment uncertainties can be avoided in person by using physical currency, but no mechanism exists to make payments over a communications channel without a trusted party"

"What is needed is an electronic payment system based on cryptographic proof instead of trust,allowing any two willing parties to transact directly with each other without the need for a trusted third  party"

"The problem of course is the payee can't verify that one of the owners did not double-spend the coin.  A common solution is to introduce a trusted central authority, or mint, that checks every transaction for double spending.  After each transaction, the coin must be returned to the mint to issue a new coin, and only coins issued directly from the mint are trusted not to be double-spent.The   problem   with   this   solution   is   that   the   fate   of   the   entire   money   system   depends   on   the company running the mint, with every transaction having to go through them, just like a bank."
63  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 12, 2019, 09:11:05 PM
$150+ million sent to Coinbase, people are panicking. Including myself a little to be honest.

source?
64  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 03, 2019, 11:30:02 PM
In the rare case of bitcoin crashing to 0 where will the suicide party be held?

r0ach already offered to hold it in his grandma's basement.

65  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 30, 2019, 07:17:09 PM

I don't buy the "new money" argument.

Have you heard Tom Luongo's latest commentary on that subject ? I think it's very interesting and analytical. Will drop you in at the interesting bit but the whole thing is worth listening to IMO.



i'll take a look tonight.  thanks

16:30 he shares his instincts on what's happening w/ Bitcoin which may resonate with some.
66  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 28, 2019, 08:14:54 PM
jonoiv and g-uid, you'll be sorry. I foresee you submerged by a shower of ratt's asses and GTFO's.  Roll Eyes

I know ;( It's all par for the course though so have it gents!
67  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 28, 2019, 08:09:49 PM
bitcoin to 50k in 2019
anyone against that?

Screw it, I'll open myself up to some haters: I just offloaded 50% of my portfolio. Can't shake what r0ach has been saying recently, he makes a lot of sense when it comes to manipulation. The rapid increase over the last few weeks just doesn't feel right. It's too fast and money (whatever you feel that may be) just isn't supposed to be this easy.

I think just below $2500 will be the bottom personally.  and it will happen arround oct / nov 2019

This looks like an elliotwave phase B bear rally, I fully expect people to call me out as usual.  But I will, and have put my money where my mouth is Smiley

I really don't care what JJG has to say on the matter or any other person.  im happy to be quoted in November.  

100% agree. $2500 feels right, I know there's no place in this space for touchy feely jibber jabber but it has served me pretty well over the last 9 years.

Will add some more fuel into the fire, r0ach is going to love this: I bought gold.
68  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 28, 2019, 07:46:57 PM
bitcoin to 50k in 2019
anyone against that?

Screw it, I'll open myself up to some haters: I just offloaded 50% of my portfolio. Can't shake what r0ach has been saying recently, he makes a lot of sense when it comes to manipulation. The rapid increase over the last few weeks just doesn't feel right. It's too fast and money (whatever you feel that may be) just isn't supposed to be this easy.
69  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 21, 2019, 09:27:12 PM
Curious to know what you guys think about using RSI to make informed trades.

If you use it, care to share in what capacity and what settings?
70  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 16, 2019, 04:55:27 PM
what if adoption is releasing a LOT of this selling pressure?

Did you not read what I said?  If price was to skyrocket (and actually stay there and not instantly implode) it also requires mining to skyrocket as well.  If people are currently mining for $2k, $3k, $4k and the price 'only' went to $50k, you'd basically need mining to go up by an entire order of magnitude and it would use more power than the entire US.  Do you think such a thing is actually going to happen?  You would need LOTS more halvings before bitcoin could go anywhere near numbers you people claim without instantly causing some type of global energy crisis.


I'm trying to understand precisely why you are making the assertion that if the price skyrockets then mining skyrockets too.

With reference to https://www.blockchain.com/en/charts/difficulty?timespan=all

We've had price explosions in the past but only 2017 resulted in the mining explosion that you are referring to. Can you explain your reasoning for why mining must skyrocket? Obviously, if price explodes then it makes more sense for miners to get involved (increased profit) but it also means increased competition, so an exponential price gain does not necessarily point to exponential profit for the miners ergo no exponential rise in the difficulty.
71  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 13, 2019, 10:05:18 PM
Curious to hear from r0ach.
72  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 09, 2019, 09:35:36 PM
I've been checking in on the thread daily, but not staying up completely. I feel some crypto burnout after watching the markets, news, etc. daily for the past two years.

Can I submit my resignation to my boss, and trade in my wife for a newer model yet?

The higher the price of BTC the more you're going to pay for that trade-in.
73  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 25, 2019, 04:26:02 PM


blackle.com used to be a good solution. Looks, however, that they have not implemented https tho.

Blackle uses Google Custom Search.
74  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 17, 2019, 08:04:58 PM


 Not sure what that means... whose is possessive as in "whose car is parked in my driveway?"
Possibly a very deep meaning in that image.


This is what I was alluding to earlier, i.e., it's all fun and games when a shitcoin is delisted, but what are the ramifications if exchanges with enough might collude to delist BTC?
75  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 16, 2019, 04:21:44 PM


Smiley Cheesy



Cheesy Cheesy

This got me thinking: what do you think the impact would be if that SV was not there?
76  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 15, 2019, 11:19:49 PM
What a very bad no good day all around:

Elwar loses his home and has to flee
Norte Dame is in flames
Btc drops
Bsv is delisted (not bad to me but for others)
And I get in a mother fucking wreck on the way home.

Let's hope tomorrow is better.


Sorry man. We all have ups and downs. Just know that you're down now but will feel better in a little bit.
77  Other / Serious discussion / Re: Facebook to enter the browser market on: April 12, 2019, 04:11:51 PM
snip-
Same thing with main player in this market - Google Chrome browser.
I guess Facebook has the power to fight against Google today. They are a well funded and rich company and will be able to beat their competitor Google. But I have this perception of google and facebook partnering together to build this another browser and to have the
monopoly. The marketing strategy of Facebook is so good that they can do everything to reach their targets.


Why do you think Facebook has the might to take on Google?
78  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 12, 2019, 04:08:33 PM


My new Wallet !!!  Wink

It may be that many who read WO, have never seen it.

Floppy disk > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floppy_disk
The mighty Floppy disk
The only mobile storage available back then.
Who had one/some?

These were called "stiffy" disks back in my part of town. The 8" floppy disks are the much bigger cousin of this guy and is what I used to play Space quest 1 on.





God those were the days.

79  Other / Serious discussion / Re: Mixers and privacy on: April 12, 2019, 02:55:04 PM
Not all mixers use this “unique code” to avoid receiving their old coins. But for those who do, that’s the explanation I got from BestMixer from when I asked them about this specific functionality they use.

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And how does the code thing works? How can you link someone's mixed coins to a code (to avoid receiving the same coins and to give special discounts to 'loyal users') and ensure anonymity at the same time?

It's very simple. We mark each address in our pool (only the address, but not binding to the visitor of the website) with a unique key, that does not allow anybody to get the same coins back when re-use BestMixer service.

Of course there is no way of knowing if all the other mixers function this way, but due to their anonymous nature, I assume they do something similar (unless they are a honey pot).

Slightly tangential but still on point, how to rank the effectiveness of these mixers? Has anyone had any bad experiences with them, i.e., where the coins were in fact demonstrably linked to their source by another external third party?
80  Other / Serious discussion / Re: i got $2000 AWS Credit any suggestion of how to convert that to income? on: April 11, 2019, 10:12:00 PM
- setup significant storage containers on alts that are offering filestorage solutions.
- offer affordable prices, basically best on the network
- note you won't get any buyers (it's dead out there)
- wait....


When your first contract happens: That's your signal to buy.
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