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61  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin 51% attack considered harmless on: August 30, 2014, 12:17:52 PM
A 51% attack would be disastrous even if they only double spent one satoshi. It's the loss of confidence in the technology that's the harm. Bitcoin relies on people believing in it to be a secure store of value.

Would 1 satoshi really do it though?

For example, I go to a bar and buy a drink for 1 satoshi (somehow) and it turns out that my satoshi is counterfeit.  How would anyone find out it was counterfeit, and once they did do you really think that bar would turn it into national bitcoin news?  Think about real counterfeit money, we know it exists, but we don't let it affect the value of our currency, we accept all money as if it's good real money. If it turns out to be counterfeit then one person may be screwed and pissed, but it sure as hell doesn't make the news.  Not even the local news, much less the national news.  1 satoshi is probably not a problem.
You cannot counterfeit bitcoin. What the closest thing to counterfeiting you can do is to double spend a TX. It is also not possible to spend only 1 satoshi at this time as the smallest TX that the network will accept is I believe 5160 satashi.

There are some double spend transactions that have occurred in the past and the confidence of bitcoin was not destroyed.

Exactly my point.
62  Other / Off-topic / Re: Ban the person above you (jokingly). on: August 29, 2014, 02:07:09 PM
Banned for having an almost unreadable font in their avatar.
63  Other / Off-topic / Re: Your plan in case of an alien invasion on: August 29, 2014, 02:06:06 PM
What's your plan in case of an alien invasion???

I would probably start by getting my family and friends safe in an underground base. Then start gathering supplies and weapons to start a rebellion. Then get people to fight against the aliens or die trying.

Probably not bother doing much, as many men smarter than me have stated - an alien race which has the technology to make it to our planet would be so astronomically powerful in our eyes that we would be no more to it than an ant is to us.

The only thing you could do is hope, and make yourself useful if they are looking for slaves.
64  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How do you multiply with 1BTC capital? on: August 29, 2014, 02:04:01 PM
hallo bitcoiners Smiley

I want to ask, how do you multiply with 1BTC capital?
what would you do? invest? play in mining? or else Smiley
please share your opinion here Smiley

How do you double $500, is the question really any different? Just go look into ways to make fiat doubled with an investment and there you go.
65  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin 51% attack considered harmless on: August 29, 2014, 02:02:07 PM
A 51% attack would be disastrous even if they only double spent one satoshi. It's the loss of confidence in the technology that's the harm. Bitcoin relies on people believing in it to be a secure store of value.

Would 1 satoshi really do it though?

For example, I go to a bar and buy a drink for 1 satoshi (somehow) and it turns out that my satoshi is counterfeit.  How would anyone find out it was counterfeit, and once they did do you really think that bar would turn it into national bitcoin news?  Think about real counterfeit money, we know it exists, but we don't let it affect the value of our currency, we accept all money as if it's good real money. If it turns out to be counterfeit then one person may be screwed and pissed, but it sure as hell doesn't make the news.  Not even the local news, much less the national news.  1 satoshi is probably not a problem.
66  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: If/when your BTC wallet increases 10x in value on: August 29, 2014, 01:58:09 PM
Do you go into retirement at 19 years old? How do you cash out? Do you take the capital gains hit, in exchange for USD so you can make tangible investments so you never have to work ever again? Would IRS still rape you even if you tool the capital gains hit?

I trade BTC as an investment only...and eventually wish to convert back to USD so I can diversify my portfolio. This is all hypothetical of course.

If i could retire at 19 from getting 10x my current BTC, then something involving a time machine and a faster invention of bitcoins has occured!
67  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Would you name your baby Satoshi for 150 bitcoins? on: August 29, 2014, 01:54:13 PM
Could I just rename my current child?  I really don't want another one.
68  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: August 29, 2014, 01:52:10 PM

 do you think that when the Sun creates one deuterium atom from two hydrogen atoms, then god is the explanation?

I don't know that the sun does that, but if the sun does it, the process was originally created by God.

If you mean, does God involve Himself directly with each conversion, I don't know how much He has set the process on automatic where He doesn't have to involve Himself with it directly.

If you mean that deuterium can be made from hydrogen that ISN'T heavy hydrogen, I have never heard of that happening. Simply don't know.

Why do you want to know what I think about this? Or were you talking to someone else, and I answered out of turn?

We don't know as much about the sun as we think we do. The Revelation talks about an angel who is powerful enough that he/she/it is standing in the sun.

Smiley


Okay wait wait wait...please tell me you are trolling...PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE just fess up.  There is no way any human on earth believes a god damned angel lives in sun? Belief in god, that's one thing, belief in an angel in the sun!? That must mean that ever star in our universe has an angel just sitting around doing jackshit inside of stars.   Do you even realize that our sun is just another star? And not even a very special one at that, it's below average.

OH GOD PLEASE BE A TROLL!
69  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: August 29, 2014, 01:49:28 PM
There simply can't exist a proof that god exists! It just doesn't work that way. God can only exist for people who believe he/she/it does. All those 'scientific' proofs are bogus, if you ask me!

Stop right now, and look at the wall. No, seriously, stop what you are doing and look at the wall. I don't know if your wall is papered with wallpaper, or if you have paneling, or if it is simply painted. But whatever it is, how do you know that there is anything behind/beyond the surface of the wall?

You might have seen the wall built. You might have only tapped the wall with your knuckles, and it felt solid. You might have even put your fist through that wall at one time or another. But how do you know for a fact that there is anything behind/beyond the surface of that wall right now? For all we know, observing the substance behind the surface of the wall is the thing that brings that substance into existence, and that it really wasn't there before we brought it into existence through some form of observation.

The point is, how much evidence do you have to see in nature before you can postulate within yourself that God must indeed exist? EVERYTHING in life exists partially by faith. Nature seems to show that God exists. The surface of the wall seems to indicate that there is some kind of solidity behind the surface. But until you stand face to face with whatever, you have to live, at least a little, in faith.

ALL people live in faith many different ways throughout their whole lives. Meeting God in person is the only pure proof for His existence. But the evidence that He exists is great, far greater than the constant babbling of the scientists that evolution exists. In their babbling they live in faith just like everyone else.

Smiley

BADecker you are falling under the burden of proof fallacy.

First, there is only one piece of evidence that the CHRISTIAN god exists. You must also consider there is the same evidence, and even more actually, for other gods that came long before the word "GOD" was ever used by anyone in the 4.54 BILLION years the earth has been in existence.  BUT the most important thing in all of this is that you must prove your god is real, it is not the job of the non-believer to prove it. Your questions of the existence of things that are not currently being observed are non-sensical and go against everything we know to be true.

This universe we live in is likely to be a simulation, but whether it is or it isn't, we must go with the laws of physics that we can observe until we are able to observe more.  Just because you can't be omnipotent and obverse all structures in the universe at all times, doesn't mean that you can just say the universe doesn't work the way that we believe it does to the best of our knowledge. Stop living with what was written down in a single book by people who literally never met jesus, and didn't start writing it 30 years after he died. What can you write about from 30 years ago? Were you even alive? You have your head in the sand my friend, please remove it and join us in the ways of scientific thinking which you are currently helping to hold us back from as a civilization.

As I have said several times, and you can prove it to yourself through examination of the foundational scientific writings, the base for ALL understanding that the earth is more than about 25,000 years max, is in ifs and maybes. Check the books written by the scientists who have done that calculations. The say things like, "From this we can surmise that the age of the earth is ... ." The word "surmise" has to do with making an educated guess. The evidence that they use can be interpreted in ways different than the things that they say... even ways that show a young earth.

On the other hand, the more we learn about the activity of the earth and the universe, the more we see an ultra-complex machine. What we don't see is any kind of method that explains how this machine was made. ALL examination of the machine itself shows ONLY a slowing down, decaying, erosion, like a pendulum gradually going to bottom dead center. The science books that talk about these things explain it in this way.

The idea of evolution entirely contradicts the things that we see happening in nature. Evolution is a guesswork idea that flies in the face of the machinery of the universe gradually wearing down. Evolution says things increase in complexity. It is standard science that things wear out and wear down. There is nothing that shows the opposite. There is no evolution.

Machinery is built by a machine maker. The more complex the machinery, the more complex that machine maker. Any one of you, stand there and call a grain of sand into existence out of nothing. Nobody can do it, yet the stuff is here, and the so-called scientific methods suggested for where the stuff comes from are pure guesses. The evidence is overwhelmingly for a God, and a very powerful One.

Smiley


Okay as much as I want to try to continue to debate with you over this, I can't.  You know why I can't?  You aren't someone who believes in hard evidence, if you are told something is a fact then you'll always say it's "just a theory" but theories in science are different than theories in language.  The theory of gravity isn't doubted by anyone, and we know for a fact that evolution exists to the point at which it isn't even debated with the non-believers anymore because there is no point. The age of the earth is NOT if's and maybe's. There is no "surmising" radioactive elements decay at a KNOWN rate of time, and we can see how much something has decayed and realize it has been decaying for the amount of years we know the earth to be is old. PLEASE go watch the newest cosmos, all of them.  I think if you actually consider that none of it is presented as "if's and maybe's" then you might actually learn for once in your life. You've closed your eyes to learning and plugged your ears with your fingers saying "LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU" when it comes to anything new that wasn't written down in that book. 

The rest of your argument I have no need to comment on because the moment you stated your belief's in the earths age it was over with. Beyond that, even if it is 25,000 years according to whatever "scientific foundations" you are talking about, that is STILL older than what the bible says.  If any part of that bible is wrong, then all of it is wrong, period.
70  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Which is the best project to start? gambing,faucet,dice,casino etc? on: August 29, 2014, 01:43:10 PM
What do you think about this.

idea #1
Pay just 0.001 BTC,play the games,make high scores and get paid up to 0.01 btc if you are in top 3 ?



I must warn you, if it is a skill based game that you create, it will probably fail.  The problem with skill based games is that there are some people who will either find ways to cheat it, or be so ridiculously good at it, that nobody will play against them, there will be no point.

Good luck with that though.

My personal favorite was a gamedev who is making a space travel game which will use dogecoin as it's in game currency.  The transactions will all be extremely microtransactions (fractions of a penny) but for the developer, those transactions will really add up if millions of people are playing his game.

Take a look at it

I can make the game much secure so no body can cheat it

If nobody was able to beat it, then nobody would want to play.
71  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What's the best age to introduce your kids to Bitcoin? on: August 29, 2014, 01:41:56 PM
At whatever age you would start paying an allowance in exchange for chores.  The coolest thing about paying an allowance in BTC would be that the kids could learn the value of saving since the value of their BTC may increase the longer they hold it.  You never know, some kids may save their accrued BTC's throughout their life until adulthood and the next thing you know BOOM they're rich when it hits the moon Smiley

Or become addicted to gambling at a very early age lol

Life is a gamble my friend, if you aren't taking risks (good calculated risks are recommended) then you'll never do or become anything.  Almost every single inventor took a big risk to make it big, many failed, but without trying you can never get there Smiley
72  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why Do People Believe Bitcoin Will Replace Fiat? on: August 28, 2014, 03:17:42 PM
I have a hard time following the logic when people make a statement that Bitcoin will replace all fiat currency.  In my world view, they coexist and will continue to coexist.  I can see where some fiat currencies die and Bitcoin fills in the gap, but not on a global level.  Your thoughts?

Because the way traditional fiat is handled by the banks (at least as far as I know, all fiats have interest from the people who print them) the inflation is not only inevitable, but infinite.  If you put a monies side by side that has no inflation, why would it not end up being the one and only currency?  The only other alternatives I see coexisting is other altcoins. It probably won't be in our lifetimes, but I believe a good 200 years from now would be no doubt. The only way this wouldn't happen is if the world goes dark (no electricity) or the internet ceases to exist.
73  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin will be bigger than Facebook on: August 28, 2014, 03:10:02 PM
I highly doubt BTC will have more users than FB>..because FB is used by everyone from kids to teens, adults and aged. And not everyone wants to use BTC

What about the likelihood of bitcoin replacing every currency in the world though?  At that point, even allowances would be given in bitcoin.
It would take a lot for bitcoin to potentially replace any fiat based currency that exists today, let along every fiat based currency. It really would not be able to replace currencies like the dollar, euro, british pound or the yen because their governments are so influential worldwide and would likely not accept anything other then their own local currency for payment of taxes.

But if everyone stopped using the fiat the government's own money would be useless, it wouldn't be accepted by others because nobody would be paid in it.  What do governments use taxes for, police, war, firefighters, infrastructure etc.

So let's say all of these workers are only using bitcoin, well the government can't pay them because they won't take it, it's worthless.  The government is already attempting to impose taxes upon BTC, why wouldn't you think they'll succeed?  Once they do I am pretty sure they won't care what money we use - the problem is the banks themselves who have the control over our government at the moment.
The government has too much influence for this to be possible. In order for a movement like the one you describe to potentially be successful the people demanding to be paid in bitcoin must be willing to work elsewhere if they will not be paid in bitcoin. The problem is that there is little to no demand for this kind of work outside of the government. So these people would not have the skills to work a a job that would pay them for their potential because they would not be able to utilize all their skills.

I don't think it would be a demanding sort of situation where they say up front "PAY US IN BITCOIN." I think it would be much more gradual, something like this.

1. Slowly bitcoin becomes accepted everywhere, much like a credit card.
2. People start to realize bitcoin is easier and safer than credit cards (which at current it isn't easier, but by then it will be)
3. Some businesses start to offer bitcoin as an alternative method of payment (some already have started this)
4. All business offer bitcoin as an alternative choice
5. Slowly fiat as a source of pay is no longer an option at some businesses
6. Eventually once less than 10% of the population is taking their pay in fiat, BTC will become standard pay at all junctures
7. Governments will be paying out in bitcoin because they need to compete to keep a workforce employed.

This change would probably kick off once step 1 was complete, and a company springs up that offers to convert your paycheck to BTC instantly upon arrival but they'll take a cut as the service, this will cause employees to ask their place of business to do it directly since they don't want to pay a 1% fee on every paycheck just to have it in the common currency.

I'm not saying this is likely, but very possible.
Bitcoin will not ever be safer then using credit cards for consumers. Credit cards offer many consumer protections that protect them in the event they get ripped off. Bitcoin does not have this, the fact that bitcoin transactions are not reversible is one of it's selling points. What will get bitcoin to continue to grow is that fact that it is cheaper then credit cards and other payment methods.

I am sure that many companies will probably spring up offering up "bitcoin insurance" which essentially will protect your purchases, much in the same way paypal offers.  They may end up being vile, wretched companies, or they may end up being the best thing ever.  But one way or another I am sure they'll exist sooner or later.
74  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Which is the best project to start? gambing,faucet,dice,casino etc? on: August 28, 2014, 03:06:34 PM
What do you think about this.

idea #1
Pay just 0.001 BTC,play the games,make high scores and get paid up to 0.01 btc if you are in top 3 ?



I must warn you, if it is a skill based game that you create, it will probably fail.  The problem with skill based games is that there are some people who will either find ways to cheat it, or be so ridiculously good at it, that nobody will play against them, there will be no point.

Good luck with that though.

My personal favorite was a gamedev who is making a space travel game which will use dogecoin as it's in game currency.  The transactions will all be extremely microtransactions (fractions of a penny) but for the developer, those transactions will really add up if millions of people are playing his game.

Take a look at it
75  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: August 28, 2014, 03:00:16 PM
There simply can't exist a proof that god exists! It just doesn't work that way. God can only exist for people who believe he/she/it does. All those 'scientific' proofs are bogus, if you ask me!

Stop right now, and look at the wall. No, seriously, stop what you are doing and look at the wall. I don't know if your wall is papered with wallpaper, or if you have paneling, or if it is simply painted. But whatever it is, how do you know that there is anything behind/beyond the surface of the wall?

You might have seen the wall built. You might have only tapped the wall with your knuckles, and it felt solid. You might have even put your fist through that wall at one time or another. But how do you know for a fact that there is anything behind/beyond the surface of that wall right now? For all we know, observing the substance behind the surface of the wall is the thing that brings that substance into existence, and that it really wasn't there before we brought it into existence through some form of observation.

The point is, how much evidence do you have to see in nature before you can postulate within yourself that God must indeed exist? EVERYTHING in life exists partially by faith. Nature seems to show that God exists. The surface of the wall seems to indicate that there is some kind of solidity behind the surface. But until you stand face to face with whatever, you have to live, at least a little, in faith.

ALL people live in faith many different ways throughout their whole lives. Meeting God in person is the only pure proof for His existence. But the evidence that He exists is great, far greater than the constant babbling of the scientists that evolution exists. In their babbling they live in faith just like everyone else.

Smiley

BADecker you are falling under the burden of proof fallacy.

First, there is only one piece of evidence that the CHRISTIAN god exists. You must also consider there is the same evidence, and even more actually, for other gods that came long before the word "GOD" was ever used by anyone in the 4.54 BILLION years the earth has been in existence.  BUT the most important thing in all of this is that you must prove your god is real, it is not the job of the non-believer to prove it. Your questions of the existence of things that are not currently being observed are non-sensical and go against everything we know to be true.

This universe we live in is likely to be a simulation, but whether it is or it isn't, we must go with the laws of physics that we can observe until we are able to observe more.  Just because you can't be omnipotent and obverse all structures in the universe at all times, doesn't mean that you can just say the universe doesn't work the way that we believe it does to the best of our knowledge. Stop living with what was written down in a single book by people who literally never met jesus, and didn't start writing it 30 years after he died. What can you write about from 30 years ago? Were you even alive? You have your head in the sand my friend, please remove it and join us in the ways of scientific thinking which you are currently helping to hold us back from as a civilization.
76  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: August 28, 2014, 02:50:51 PM
God is very much exists for sure . Science is not always right they send some machine to space and what photo that machine get here they believe
in that photo and tells that it is the proof . They also say that moon is separated from earth and it was part of earth but that is not true because
if it is part of earth then how exactly it become round and how exactly it is placed between earth and sun and why it is visible only at night all such questions are still un answerable . Air u can not see , soul - u can not see but u can feel in a similar God is there and through prayer u can feel his presence

The moon is (mostly) visible at night, because when it 'could' be visible in the day, the sun is pretty much next to it, and being so many times brighter.. I can assure you however that at least twice a year I see the daytime moon. When we cant see it, it's because our shadow has crossed it's face. However it is and always is there, every night.. wether above or below our horizon, which of course, depends on where you live. I am however quite convinced (naturally) that the moon is not a child of earth or vice versa.. how it became round? Same as EVERY other sphere up there.. by rotating in it's orbit, and sanded by the interstellar dust's of time, which is beyond any human understanding.. yeah they made instruments that state the universe is 'x' years old, but as I say, the test equipment was designed with the 'expected' answers included in the design.. just like a multimeter..

The universe is so old there is NO device that is capable of telling us how old the universe is, since it would need to include the void that clearly existed before the vibratory sounds were triggered. This void would also need to be added to the answer, since without it, the space has nowhere to exist..


No need to feed the troll.
77  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Which is the best project to start? gambing,faucet,dice,casino etc? on: August 26, 2014, 06:55:32 AM
Hi
Which business project you will like to start where the competition will be minimum and  you get maximum profit.What do you think?

You can't just come online and look for million dollar ideas to just pop up in a thread you posted.

The key is a new niche, or better yet, something that is successful in cash, but doesn't yet have a bitcoin styled alternative.

Are you a developer, investor, programmer? What's your role, how can you do this?
78  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: August 26, 2014, 06:52:34 AM
Genetic scientists seem to be in general agreement that we are all descendants of one woman and one man.

Except, they don't. If you want to argue for the existence of a god, don't start off with a fucking lie.
79  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What's the best age to introduce your kids to Bitcoin? on: August 26, 2014, 06:50:17 AM
At whatever age you would start paying an allowance in exchange for chores.  The coolest thing about paying an allowance in BTC would be that the kids could learn the value of saving since the value of their BTC may increase the longer they hold it.  You never know, some kids may save their accrued BTC's throughout their life until adulthood and the next thing you know BOOM they're rich when it hits the moon Smiley
80  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin will be bigger than Facebook on: August 26, 2014, 06:47:16 AM
I highly doubt BTC will have more users than FB>..because FB is used by everyone from kids to teens, adults and aged. And not everyone wants to use BTC

What about the likelihood of bitcoin replacing every currency in the world though?  At that point, even allowances would be given in bitcoin.
It would take a lot for bitcoin to potentially replace any fiat based currency that exists today, let along every fiat based currency. It really would not be able to replace currencies like the dollar, euro, british pound or the yen because their governments are so influential worldwide and would likely not accept anything other then their own local currency for payment of taxes.

But if everyone stopped using the fiat the government's own money would be useless, it wouldn't be accepted by others because nobody would be paid in it.  What do governments use taxes for, police, war, firefighters, infrastructure etc.

So let's say all of these workers are only using bitcoin, well the government can't pay them because they won't take it, it's worthless.  The government is already attempting to impose taxes upon BTC, why wouldn't you think they'll succeed?  Once they do I am pretty sure they won't care what money we use - the problem is the banks themselves who have the control over our government at the moment.
The government has too much influence for this to be possible. In order for a movement like the one you describe to potentially be successful the people demanding to be paid in bitcoin must be willing to work elsewhere if they will not be paid in bitcoin. The problem is that there is little to no demand for this kind of work outside of the government. So these people would not have the skills to work a a job that would pay them for their potential because they would not be able to utilize all their skills.

I don't think it would be a demanding sort of situation where they say up front "PAY US IN BITCOIN." I think it would be much more gradual, something like this.

1. Slowly bitcoin becomes accepted everywhere, much like a credit card.
2. People start to realize bitcoin is easier and safer than credit cards (which at current it isn't easier, but by then it will be)
3. Some businesses start to offer bitcoin as an alternative method of payment (some already have started this)
4. All business offer bitcoin as an alternative choice
5. Slowly fiat as a source of pay is no longer an option at some businesses
6. Eventually once less than 10% of the population is taking their pay in fiat, BTC will become standard pay at all junctures
7. Governments will be paying out in bitcoin because they need to compete to keep a workforce employed.

This change would probably kick off once step 1 was complete, and a company springs up that offers to convert your paycheck to BTC instantly upon arrival but they'll take a cut as the service, this will cause employees to ask their place of business to do it directly since they don't want to pay a 1% fee on every paycheck just to have it in the common currency.

I'm not saying this is likely, but very possible.
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