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61  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] The first truly rare Pepes on the Bitcoin Blockchain! [ANN] on: September 13, 2016, 02:16:40 PM
I also like KARPEPELES. A true meme card. Memes have no owners. Their adaptions can only be popular or not.
62  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: [DISKUSI] Harga Bitcoin on: October 23, 2015, 10:24:57 AM
Coba lihat dulu gan harga bitcoinnya di Vip sudah hampir sama dengan harga exchanger luar kok.
3.636.000.000 di vip di exchanger luar $267 = 3.661.000.000

coba lihat dulu gan ane posting nya kapan Grin
ane post itu pas harga lagi down dan sekarang udah up mungkin.
ane juga ga lagi buka VIP. Cheesy
untuk saat ini harganya seimbang gan sama exchanger luar,
kayaknya dari kemarin 3,6 juta mulu nih harganya -_-

3,6 juta mulu? Ini naik nya uda cukup banyak gan dalam waktu 1 minggu.
Untuk saat-saat normal seperti sekarang, harga BTC gak bisa booming seperti sebelum2nya gan. 2013 is the best. #2jempol
63  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Dimana agan mendapatkan bitcoin atau altcoin setiap hari? on: October 23, 2015, 08:38:39 AM
Tinggal dilihat aja gan tanda-tandanya. Web ponzi biasanya menawarkan metode investasi yang sangat cepat hanya dalam beberapa bulan. Nggak cuma investasi HYIP, tapi cloudmining juga menawarkan sistem seperti itu. Sebenarnya nggak ada yang salah jika anda bermain dengan ponzi, bahkan beberapa web investasi dengan terang-terangan mengatakan bahwa mereka menggunakan sistem ponzi. Menurut saya ponzi itu bagai sebuah game di mana yang datang terakhir adalah orang yang sial Grin
lumayan pak infonya
jadi berusahalah agar tidak menjadi orang yang terahkir dalam ponzi  Tongue
ya sepertinya memang tidak semuanya memakai ponzi juga pak, walau ada tapi kecil juga

Saya tidak setuju dengan sistem money game yang merugikan pihak terakhir. Orang yang "suka" dengan permainan ponzi/HYIP, berarti orang nya suka melihat orang lain susah. "Yang penting diri sendiri aman, orang lain rugi ya itu resiko dia".

Jahat sekali orang yang punya pikiran seperti itu.
64  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: apa si manfaat sering online di bitcointalk ? on: October 23, 2015, 07:30:02 AM
Banyak manfaatnya gan klo pengen berkecimbung di dunia crypto
banyak berita yang bisa di dapatkan dari sini dan sambil belajar2 juga.

Manfaat nya bukan di dapat dari online doank gan.
Selain dapat bonus dari sig campaign, info yg ada di forum bitcointalk.org juga penting-penting.


65  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Berapa akun bitcointalk yang agan punya ? on: October 23, 2015, 06:59:30 AM
bit x nggak ada max post nya gan,
kalau agan aktiv banget mungkin multi akun sangat berguna buat agan,
tergantung orang nya ane jujur aja lebih enak satu akun ga pusing ga ribet. Cheesy
tapi ada aja orang yang demen punya akun banyak entah itu buat promo buat sig camp buat dijual dan lain nya.
jujur kalau saya ada beberapa akun lain, ya tujuannya seperti ya dijelaskan sama agan dragonusa buat tambahan penghasilanya juga
entah itu dijual atau buat sign camp

tidak ada sanksi kah...ketika seseorang itu memiliki akun lebih dari satu? Pwrtanyaan ini cuma sekedar ingin tahu saja bikan berarti menyudutkan temen2 yg memiliki akun lebih dr satu
Tapi saya sangat memahami ketika seseorang itu memiliki lebih dr satu, pasti beberapa temen memiliki alesan tersendiri, dan saya sangat menghargai itu Smiley

Asal orang itu buat comment dengan serius dan tidak spam, ane rasa boleh-boleh saja. Dan nantinya account yang tidak sempat ter-urus juga bisa dijual ke member lain.
66  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: A Simple Gambling Trick on: October 23, 2015, 06:08:20 AM
Yeah there exist some tricks , play in some dice site with your strategy after playing 5-7 minutes cash-out all your winnings as you will loose in next play , the sites have bot which manipulates your methods and next time make a game that defeats your method.
sorry to say but thats your addiction which says so ,there are no tricks or if you think there are then you are free to show your daily profits as prove.
these casinos would ave been fucked up if the above quoted words were true.
Some player just grumble when he got loss from gambling site.
Do you ever see the player who blame the sites when he got lose?
67  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How much can you earn with gambling? on: October 23, 2015, 05:31:27 AM
if you will ask me personally,
you can earn unlimited amount in gambling.
but ofcourse its not always a win!
because its gambling. also you can lose more than win.
it is by my experience. coz the longer you play.
the high possibility you lose. so goodluck...
Tongue

You can earn as much as you want, it depends in your amount invested, your bets and so on.
If you you re really lucky and also having good strategy you can even make huge amounts by gambling.
68  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Dice game strategy? on: October 23, 2015, 05:24:29 AM
Some players will use a similar strategy, where they will bet the same amount at the same odds over and over, until they end up with more than they started with. Some dice sites have a built-in feature to automate bets, with this strategy.

69  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can gambling be profitable in long term ? on: October 23, 2015, 05:09:13 AM
People who gamble to make money don't make a lot of sense to me - at least not people who drop coins into random dice games. You'd be much better off investing in something like a sportsbet or something like that. I prefer those sort of odds as you can make more of an informed decision regarding likelihood. Still, it's up to the individual - and risk is required to attain some of the better things in life, but I don't subscribe to the belief that gambling is profitable long term. I know people who win thousands on greyhounds and horses, but they also spend hours researching and studying their sport. Knowledge is vital.
70  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling. Is It Wrong? on: October 23, 2015, 04:53:48 AM
Gambling give you power when you win, those ilusion will turn into a lost in a short time, sure some people dice and gambling and take profits but i may say its 100 in a milion people otherwise no house would have money to pay all costumers that only wins. Do not spend too much time on gambling.
71  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Everyone looses in the long run on: October 23, 2015, 04:46:43 AM
For people to truly understand this loss in the long run thing, one must experienced it to fully know the output of doing gambling for a long run.
72  Economy / Gambling / Re: THE TENNIS TIPSTER on: October 23, 2015, 04:36:48 AM
GG mate but I can see that you are betting on clear favourites all the time. Can you please try Asian Handicap instead? you get higher odds that way and any single loss/upset can be recovered easily.
Agree with you, we got better odds in Asian Handicap. Probably we got @1.09 odds on tennis bet. 11 win : 1 loss if we bet with same amount all the times. But i still choose on bet in favorites player, with high rank.
73  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: A Simple Gambling Trick on: October 23, 2015, 04:27:33 AM
There are no real tricks by which you can earn more money by gambling but there are few tricks by using which you can minimize your losses in the gambling. Don't try to win big money in one go for example if you have $ 1000 dollar then don't play with all money in a single session. You can have multiple games or sessions by splitting these $1000 into $200 small games. These increases your winning chances and at least you can recover whatever you are spending.

There is logic in splitting the chances in multiple games instead of one big shot, it is a mathematical relation.


Yeah I remember covering this a couple years back with doog. It's actually pretty logical that reducing bet size reduces potential losses in terms of probability.

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Yes.

And you're the first person who responded in such an open manner.

Everyone else just tells me I'm wrong.  Smiley

The trick is to split up your bet (the amount you were going to risk in a single bet) into a series of amounts which sum to a the same, and which form a sequence such that you can bet the smallest amount, and if it wins, you make the same as if you bet the whole amount at 49.5% (so you'll be betting with a smaller chance, and higher payout multiplier).  And if it loses, you want betting the 2nd amount to cover the first loss and make the same net profit.  Etc.

If you can find such a sequence (and you always can, though it can involve some hairy math depending on the length of the sequence you're looking for) then the amount you expect to risk is less than your whole amount (since there's a non-zero chance that you will win before the last bet, and stop at that point), and so the amount you expect to lose, being 1% of the amount you risk, is less than when you make the single bet.

Here's a very simple example:

you have 1 BTC and want to double it.

* you could bet it all at 49.5%, and succeed in doubling up with probability 0.495

* or you could bet 0.41421356 BTC at 28.99642866% with payout multiplier 3.41421356x, and if you lose, bet the rest at the same chance.  If you win either bet, you double up, else you lose.  Your chance of doubling up is 0.4958492857 - a little higher than the 0.495 you have with the single bet.

Cool, huh?

That's breaking the single bet up into a sequence of length 2.

If you break it up into more, smaller bets, then the probability of success increases further.

The more steps, the closer to 0.5 your probability of success gets.

You'll be limited by real-life barriers, like the invisibility indivisibility of the satoshi, and the limit of 4 decimal places on the chance at JD.  But in theory you can get arbitrarily close to 0.5.  I think.  Smiley

And some quick maths (plus graphing)

I cannot believe I'm saying this but I think you might be right.

I went ahead and played around with a case where the player starts at 1 wants to move to 2 by making two bets (of any size between 0-1 inclusive). Hence I went to go graph the function to see if it was true and I got this:

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/obkfifgbnl

Where y = probability of succeeding
and d = the value of the first initial bet

Notice how at both d = 0 and d= 1 the probability is 0.495 as expected (as you are either betting nothing then 1 or 1 then nothing and both are equivalent cases). And in between you get a probability higher than the 0.495 offered for the single bet.

I've tried a few set values for cases where you split your value up to more than two and you do get a better result. I can only theorise that this is because as your bet size approaches 0 with the number of bets approaching infinity your expectation approaches 1.

However, what I do not understand at the present is why this is so. I almost fell out of my chair when the numbers came out (I checked like 6 times), as it's inferring that you can get better than what the house 'technically' offers. The problem with this is that your expectation is better than just flat betting and logically that doesn't make sense. Both should have the same expectation.

I'm going to mull it over.

I haven't given it a lot of thought beyond this - doog explained it quite elegantly.

When you bet your whole bankroll in a single bet, you expect to lose 1% of it.

When you split it up and bet the pieces in order from smallest to biggest, and stop when any bet wins you often don't end up betting the whole bankroll, and so you expect to lose 1% of less than the whole bankroll.

By splitting it up you reduce the amount you expect to bet, and so you reduce the amount you expect to lose.


Many people have loss in gambling because they do not know how to play with % of their bankroll.
74  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you agree people barrow money for gambling? on: October 23, 2015, 04:19:05 AM
Sometimes i agree to let people borrow small money for gambling. But honestly, we are not in hurry to earn profit by gambling. Just play "fine".
More greedy we are, we just will have more loss.
75  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: No Investment! Just play & Earn Satoshi *** Coming Soon *** NEW on: October 08, 2015, 05:12:06 PM
I can't login either.. what happen?
76  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: Ore-Mine.org - 1119+ BTC paid. 100% Real income! Mining in the form of the game on: October 07, 2015, 11:42:10 AM
The site is actually paying until now, I've just put 0.2 BTC me to buy 2 parts of level 4. This might be able to answer a new member of this site payments Cheesy
77  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: No Investment! Just play & Earn Satoshi *** Coming Soon *** NEW on: October 07, 2015, 04:49:48 AM
Yes, new bitcoin game, I'll test it right now   Cheesy
78  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: Official Launch Of bitsx2.com! [Earn 100% in 10 days] on: July 04, 2015, 02:24:08 PM


Well, I'm still waiting for my next payout..... it's been 3 days and nothing yet!

Let's see if he fixes it when he 'comes back home from LA'. Until then: DO NOT INVEST!



Same here... Sad

Same here too..
79  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Scrypt.CC | Scrypt Cloud Mining on: June 15, 2015, 06:53:10 PM
Yesterday my account was missing.. When I login with my bookmark browser like ussual, its said invalid, tried it several times then I try to recover my password, but its said invalid too(It's indicate that I never sign up to scrypt), do that several times too, then I try to register with same user name and same email(It must be not work if i ever sign up to it). But It works.. I can register and got an verification email from Scrypt, and of course with 0 balance.. Where is my btc I already invest on scrypt? The last balanced is 8482 khs and few thousands satoshies(The last I can login is when I buy more than 100khs (I forget exactly how much I bought that morning) in price 975..

This is my proof that I have invest on scrypt before  (155Y- is scrypt's Add Funds wallet address. My wallet address is 1NKo-)
https://blockchain.info/address/155YajQdKuXKzGUHK7fbUe1RdbnYU4bxek

And this is my screenshoot form my email that I have lock my account and wallet on scrypt. Its a same email when I last register :

This is when I get wallet lockconfirmation on 16 Mei 2015
http://imgur.com/RReU3Co
http://imgur.com/pXzPeS3

And this is when I get new verification email for re-register to Scrypt on 13 June 2015
http://imgur.com/SChkAJq
http://imgur.com/TfQDek5


And nothing from admin untill now.. wtf ..maybe I just robbed by this site..
80  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Scrypt.CC | Scrypt Cloud Mining on: June 14, 2015, 01:42:34 PM
Did you locked your email too ? Someone might crack your username and password. Site has not good enough security measures. Try to contact support from other account. If they don't respond you will know what is the time.

Even some one can crack my username and password, can he/she delete my account from scrypt?

Aliens can come down from space and take your body over with their technology and steal your account too.

Do you think this is a joke, Alienesb? Maybe you are, but we'll see if it happened to you too, do you still think this is a joke or not..
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