I agree on pretty much all points. Nefario needs to at the very least provide the records of ownership in GLBSE-listed securities to the issuers of said securities. The site now reads: Update:we will begin processing account closures and returning bitcoin later today. I had a tiny amount in the exchange itself, but my ownership of securities previously listed there is more important. We still have no idea what Nefario plans to do about that. I, for one, am very interested to find out, just where they plan on returning the bitcoin to, and how they are determining which address they plan to use to return them to... -- Smoov i'm sure they will let you give them a BTC address once you send them your passport and other AML docs  Did you eventually get your BTC returned Goat? You realize that you are defending someone who has a scammer tag right? At the very least he is a scammer, verified by the board. Are you a part of this scam? What connection do you have with this that you are so over the top defensive of a known scammer? I am not defending anyone I am trying to establish the truth. If you can point out where I have been Over The Top defensive, I might be able to explain why that was. The only connection I have with GLBSE is my 30 btc account balance and my assets. Edit: I questioned why he was labeled a scammer by asking who he has scammed, because i have yet to see evidence that he has scammed anyone. |
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i'm sure they will let you give them a BTC address once you send them your passport and other AML docs Did you eventually get your BTC returned Goat? |
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who did he scam?
At the very least, every GBLSE customer who relied on him to protect their ownership interest in their assets. Has he not done this. I have not been told that my assets are no longer mine. I am just waiting for the instructions to be able to provide details to my issuers. These issuers have also been contacted and are waiting for me to provide them with my proof of ownership. I dont trust anybody else to have access to that database until this has taken place. At the moment, we have no verifiable information explaining why GLBSE was shut down, but it does appear to have been done on Nefario's orders. GBLSE has the only ownership records for GLBSE-listed assets. yes, and you can understand why other people would want that taken out of Nefario's hands. the more people that have access to that database the harder it is to protect ownership of those assets. (It's entirely possible this was no scam and Nefario's actions were compelled by others. And it's possible he will make good to the extent possible and is really under duress. But it's also possible this was a huge scam all along and many of the assets were fake, owned by Nefario secretly, and Nefario orchestrated the whole thing to walk away with thousands of bitcoins. We don't know, and we shouldn't speculate. But we can't wait forever to act either.)
both of these are a possibility and neither have been proven. but the MO here seems to be guilty until proven innocent. |
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I wonder if they are in a cold wallet by now.
It is not moved into any address with a larger amount it is actually broken into smaller chunks on th 4th, 5th and 6th Oct. |
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Maybe some other depositor can trace their funds to find this supposed 4000-8000 BTC address, and see if they are in fact still unspent. Or maybe someone who is inherently privy to this knowledge can just post the address. :hint: :hint:
If it is any help here is the address of last deposit I made into GLBSE. http://blockchain.info/address/15Va2FL7bHvzcNZMy5xt66fSS3H34TRLJN?filter=1It was for 22.3377BTC. The deposit was made on Sunday but the funds were not credited to my balance and I had to chase this up with support and this was added to my account balance on Tuesday by Nefario. The funds were moved on the 2nd that would probably be when they were credited to my balance. I dont know where they go from there. |
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Would you or somebody else be so kind as to show the proof of the Mt Gox spike? A spike on mtgox doesnt show that nefario has sold coins  why is this even relevant? a transaction ID that links a BTC transaction to the GLBSE just before closing would be incriminating. however the person making this claim has in the same post as he made the claim admitted that it is fine to jump to his own concllusions with no evidence therefore IMO weaking his own allegations. If he is going to make allegations such as this after discrediting himself he should need to provide evidence if he is to be taken seriously. |
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What makes me wondering is that why Nefario cannot just make it simple, just open the GLBSE but stop all trading function, and let the users to withdraw the bitcoin? (that's how some other bitcoin exchanges shut themselves down.) At the same time, Nefario will be able to prepare the issuer-shareholder relationship transfer mechanism. Nefario has increased the difficult for the users obtain their bitcoin.
According to the statement on GLBSE some system is being prepared to enable this. |
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What evidence for the phrase "I'd say"? My thoughts and opinions. I don't need "evidence" to say my opinion and speculation.
My evidence that he is scamming everyone? A friend tried to "invest" ~150BTC and wasn't able to because of an error with the website, emailed Nefario who responded that he "fixed" the problem and try and send again.... 5 minutes later the website was shutdown with the index page replaced. Looks like my friend had the unfortunate experience of sending money during the time he was shutting everything down, he actually re-enabled the site just to get that extra BTC and then shut it down immediately after.
If he was shutting it down due to legal issues, why would he accept ~150BTC 5 minutes before turning out the lights?
The writing is on the wall folks, this is just the latest scam in bitcoin history.
That alone should get that scammer tag assigned and be enough to stop him from getting the btc from theymos. Do you have the tx? It would be helpful to see the proof of this as the person who said this has also just admitted to jumping to his own conclusions without evidence. |
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Theymos, can you tell us whether you control the ~675 BTC currently in GBLSE address 1FX22c76vybHJSJdCCjKHDHhcMDhDX87nw, or if Nefario does (or none of the above)?
I am seeing conflicting information.
I hold ~800 BTC in "anonymous" user funds. It doesn't belong to anyone in particular. If I had the GLBSE user database, I would send this BTC proportionally to all GLBSE users. Nefario has, I would guess, 4000-8000 user BTC in total. MtGox had a ~9000btc volume spike in one hour yesterday, I'd say Nefario has 90k USD not 8000BTC based on what evidence? |
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2 threads in scam accussations
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My replies are pointing out the facts. The website isnt a scam. They have legal problems and are closing in a way that conisders the relevant laws. These are facts. All shareholders are in agreement that customers will recieve any bitcoins held by GLBSE. They are just working on a way to implement this. these are the facts that we have established so far.
1) What is the process to request a BTC refund ? Means what do I have to send to where to get my BTC back ?
it is being worked out by the owners of the company. |
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For info: what was nefario's reasoning for closing GLBSE?
[05/10/2012 16:25:51] <nefario> what MY problem actually is [05/10/2012 16:25:54] <nefario> 1) [05/10/2012 16:26:00] <nefario> AML [05/10/2012 16:26:01] <nefario> 2) [05/10/2012 16:26:03] <nefario> tax [05/10/2012 16:26:05] <nefario> 3) [05/10/2012 16:26:07] <nefario> regulations [05/10/2012 16:26:09] <nefario> in that order [05/10/2012 16:32:52] <nefario> I don't need your approval for this, I don't have much choice He managed to convince some of you to support him, so he must have had a good argument, what was it?
Nefario promised to start a 100% legal stock exchange after GLBSE is closed and transfer the BitcoinGlobal shares over. Clearly, this will be super successful. [05/10/2012 17:43:33] <shareholder 1> lets just trust nefario and gets going. [05/10/2012 17:49:27] <shareholder 2> i truly think that if we reveal the plans to make it legit, this will turn around support in the community (at least the bright side of it) and new investments would flow if needed [05/10/2012 18:53:41] <shareholder 2> of clourse you can do what you want, but it would be better for you and everyone to help the wind down of glbse in a clean way Some other shareholders became resigned to GLBSE's fate and were at least somewhat convinced by Nefario's dreams of BitcoinGlobal's future. and Guys, make some public noise here if you wanna see Theymos make the motion.
No people are missing an important part. Neither Theymos OR Nefario are going to control any coins. They will send them to ColdHardMetal who will disperse the coins. The shareholders passed a motion for CHM to do this and Theymos is refusing. Waiting for Nefario to send CHM the company funds to get the party started. |
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This is a situation created by an idiot who also is a criminal. It depends on your country which word fits best and on the result after all actions have been taken. For the person responsible the wording might not be important.
He has not been charged with selling unregulated securites yet. It appears that nefario has taken legal advice to cease this trading due to the legal implications thereof. If you have been sending money to trade securites on GLBSE you are also possibly guilty of the same charges. Have patience, the dipsute at present is between the owners of GLBSE, Nefario has not been shown to be doing anything malicious with the user funds. The website clearly says that you will recieve your bitcoin and they are working on a system whereby you can cooperate with the issuer of any assets you own. Expect an update when things have been resolved. |
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Nefario wont be handling repayment. the company secretary will be. Theymos needs to send all; funds to CHM or hes breaking the bylaws and a voted on and passed motion.
I believe Theymos said that shutting down GLBSE was against the bylaws. If so, then it would be ridiculous to claim he was breaking the bylaws by not sending the funds - when he knew that if he sent them they were going to be USED as part of breaking the bylaws. It would be totally hypocritical for nefario to break the bylaws himself then whine about someone else doing it. The issue seems to be that keeping GLBSE operating is breaking the "real world" law. What choice is there if GLBSE cannot continue to operate. |
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Nefario wont be handling repayment. the company secretary will be. Theymos needs to send all; funds to CHM or hes breaking the bylaws and a voted on and passed motion.
I missed that previously, thanks. |
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Guys, make some public noise here if you wanna see Theymos make the motion.
I would be happy to see the funds returned to Nefario. Theymos is a anonymous entity to me. There is no evidence that nefario is doing anything malicious with the funds he holds. Nefario has had plenty of opportunity to cut and run with the funds and he has not. He returned funds to goat which he could have misappropriated. Even Theymos has know confirmed that Nefario is simply tying to follow the spirit of the laws surrounding GLBSE. This is not a bad thing, following the spirit of the law shows honesty not dishonesty. I also agree with the suggestion above that nefario can begin repayment with the funds he has and Theymos could return the funds he holds when this has happened. This could be tracked on the forum by people willing to disclose this. Edit:I missed this too. Guys, make some public noise here if you wanna see Theymos make the motion.
No people are missing an important part. Neither Theymos OR Nefario are going to control any coins. They will send them to ColdHardMetal who will disperse the coins. The shareholders passed a motion for CHM to do this and Theymos is refusing. Waiting for Nefario to send CHM the company funds to get the party started. |
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what was nefario's reasoning for closing GLBSE?
[05/10/2012 16:25:51] <nefario> what MY problem actually is [05/10/2012 16:25:54] <nefario> 1) [05/10/2012 16:26:00] <nefario> AML [05/10/2012 16:26:01] <nefario> 2) [05/10/2012 16:26:03] <nefario> tax [05/10/2012 16:26:05] <nefario> 3) [05/10/2012 16:26:07] <nefario> regulations [05/10/2012 16:26:09] <nefario> in that order [05/10/2012 16:32:52] <nefario> I don't need your approval for this, I don't have much choice He managed to convince some of you to support him, so he must have had a good argument, what was it?
Nefario promised to start a 100% legal stock exchange after GLBSE is closed and transfer the BitcoinGlobal shares over. Clearly, this will be super successful. [05/10/2012 17:43:33] <shareholder 1> lets just trust nefario and gets going. [05/10/2012 17:49:27] <shareholder 2> i truly think that if we reveal the plans to make it legit, this will turn around support in the community (at least the bright side of it) and new investments would flow if needed [05/10/2012 18:53:41] <shareholder 2> of clourse you can do what you want, but it would be better for you and everyone to help the wind down of glbse in a clean way Some other shareholders became resigned to GLBSE's fate and were at least somewhat convinced by Nefario's dreams of BitcoinGlobal's future. thanks. this makes things a lot clearer. |
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There are going to be a whole lot of people losing their freedom very soon.( Pirateat40, Nefario, Dank, etc)
are these people under investigation? |
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My guess would be because there's no actual evidence of any kind that this is the reason behind the closure. Nef hasn't posted here in over a week, and the post on the site gives no reason behind the move whatsoever. The whole "the govt made him do it" is essentially conjecture at this point, and given all the shenanigans surrounding GLBSE (on the part of various "owners thereof") in the last month and the other high level forfeitures of late, people aren't exactly in a mood to sympathize with someone who acted in a way that harmed them (or their friends amongst "bitcoin's own") without explanation, presence, or remedy to those who have been harmed.
Exaclty and the people who really know and can shed some light on what is happening are not saying, saying very little or making vague and misleading comments that are simply feeding the FUD. |
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