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601  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is this secure enough? on: July 20, 2011, 12:18:57 AM
Security is a non-trivial problem and as such any solution will also be non-trivial.

There are a few potential issues that jump right out at me, as error mentioned you're using Windows which is probably not idea. While you have to worry about viruses and malware on any platform, they're a bit more of a concern with Windows than elsewhere. Also, deleting the wallet doesn't really get rid of anything other than an entry telling Windows where, physically, on the disk it's stored that data - the data is still there. Your best bet is probably to use something like a TrueCrypt encrypted volume to store the wallet.dat. You can change where bitcoin stores the wallet.dat with the -datadir flag, which can either be added to the shortcut you use to launch bitcoin or added to your bitcoin.conf. This way you don't have to delete anything, merely unmount the volume when done. You could even store the entire app in such a volume though I'm not sure what additional security it might provide.

If you're the kind of person who shuts down their computer from time to time or if we're talking about a portable system like a laptop you may also consider full-disk encryption. At the risk of sounding like a TrueCrypt salesman, it does this too  Grin
602  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Bitcoin is not politically-neutral. on: July 20, 2011, 12:07:05 AM
Tools are, in fact, neutral.

Bullets were created to kill people, no one can argue that point, but there are also a number of tools invented after the fact that fire with black powder, including nailguns that use 22-caliber rimfire rounds to build and create instead of destroy. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powder-actuated_tool)

This is just one example - history is full of technologies that were created with one purpose and used for another, and it goes both ways; much of what we appreciate in times of peace is the result of war and much of what we use to kill each other in wars was created in peacetime. A hammer can kill as easily as build and even that all-too-common scapegoat the firearm has a completely different effect when wielded in offense than in defense. Knives can cut rope or throats, a ski mask can warm your face or hide it from a camera and a crowbar can open a crate or open the door for a thief - tools are neutral, it is we thinking moral beings who wield the tools that decide the morality and ethical nature of the actions - the tools are just along for the ride.
603  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Lol'd at Mt. Gox on: July 19, 2011, 11:55:53 PM
huh ?   I said if they can find me another business that has fucked their customer base and made them pay - they won't find another because it doesn't happen ....

now  for the stupidity I demand another 40 bitcoins with the original 40 bitcoins! Grin
No, you specifically said "I'll pay you 40 Bitcoins if you ever heard of someone fucking it up...", not "I'll pay you 40 Bitcoins if you ever heard of someone else fucking it up". You might have meant "someone else", but that's not what you said. I have indeed heard of someone who fucked it up and then had those very customers pay, because you just explained it in earlier posts.

Therefore I am entitled to my 40 Bitcoins please... Grin

(Plus I gave you two examples, so even without the legal linguistic pedantry, I still have given you another business: UK banks.)


Hmmm having security problems then later making you pay if you'd like the added security of a two-factor authentication device...

Sounds like...

Blizzard: http://us.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=1100001470
Paypal: https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/?&cmd=xpt/Marketing_CommandDriven/securitycenter/PayPalSecurityKey-outside
Several banks offer various cards and keyfobs, none of them free. The only time I've actually been given such a device free of charge was when I needed it to log into my employer's VPN...

All of the above charge for the devices and Blizzard's is the only one you could consider "cheap" - given that it's only protecting a game account and that they already know you've spent a small fortune before you care enough to obtain one, they've decided to take a small hit. Paypal's authenticator is $29.99.

Finally, here's a short list of other places that use the yubikey: http://www.yubico.com/references
Microsoft is on that list, touting it as a good security option for their upcoming Azure platform. Gee that smells like a scam to me too..... ?
604  Other / Meta / Re: Bitcoin.org page -> someone with rights please fix on: July 19, 2011, 11:11:14 PM
Much as I like this forum I think the StackExchange site (link in my sig) will be much more useful, assuming we can get it off the ground. Too much politics, advertising, scamming and slander here; doesn't put the best spin on bitcoin unfortunately.
605  Economy / Speculation / Re: Constant ~25k BTC transactions on: July 19, 2011, 10:57:34 PM
if someone has a adress with a single 50k block of btc in it and decides to transfer 1 btc he actually transfers 49999btc to one address and 1 btc to another address

the next time its 49998 BTC + 1 BTC

so nothing unusual propably someone withdrew from mtgox.



Learn something new every day. Thanks for that  Grin
606  Economy / Speculation / Re: Constant ~25k BTC transactions on: July 19, 2011, 10:54:05 PM
The only things that can affect value are actual trades, not simply movement of currency. If I transfer a large sum of money to a new wallet, it affects Mt Gox, TradeHill, etc precisely zero. Also there aren't enough people watching the market at that level of detail to really care.

The only metric anyone might be using that this could even remotely affect is the total BTC transaction volume, which is shown on bitcoincharts and bitcoinwatch, so someone might be manipulating that, but I've got no idea what purpose such a person could have to do so.
607  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Want Bitcoin to have a real user/merchant support site? on: July 19, 2011, 09:11:06 PM
I also did a quick writeup of this effort on my site (http://bitcoinreference.com/)

I don't get a HUGE amount of traffic but it's something and I think it's the right *kind* of traffic, more importantly.

Edit: And tweeted it, why the hell not. Not so many followers but maybe we'll catch a few bites on the hashtag alone Smiley
608  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Want Bitcoin to have a real user/merchant support site? on: July 19, 2011, 08:46:50 PM
One established StackExchange user committed for ya.

I also took the liberty of copypasting an excerpt from your post onto the facebook page (http://www.facebook.com/bitcoins) which has a bit over 4K users. Hopefully that'll get you some nibbles too.
609  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Hey Newbies! Want to really help out the community? Buy a coffee and read this.. on: July 19, 2011, 08:33:58 PM
The Bitcoin community needs coders/programmers/techies/hackers/etc more than miners and speculators.

Don't know anything about programming? That's OK!

Google to the rescue: https://code.google.com/edu/courses.html

The majority of the bitcoin client is written in C++ however python and Java projects are also quite prevalent.

It's a billion degrees outside, so cool off in front of your computer fans and start learning to code!

As far as bitcoining goes, which of these courses on the google site would you suggest starting with so that the knowledge I'm learning is most conducive to the advancement of the bitcoin?

Chances are, you're a long way off from the level of C++ necessary to contribute to bitcoin itself, but you can help the community grow by contributing to or creating your own side projects. If you're interested in mining, most of the mining-centric stuff I see are Python scripts. If you're more interested in the commerce side of things, pick up HTML, CSS and the web language of your choice (ASP/PHP) and learn how to connect your scripts to bitcoind (there are excellent premade libraries in both) or just how to decode JSON data from Mt Gox et. al. and run some kind of info service.

Lots of options with any language you pick, but those are probably the big ones.
610  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Your child brings this letter home from school... on: July 19, 2011, 04:07:13 PM
Just because you're right, doesn't mean arguing with the teacher during class is the wisest thing.

What would be so bad about knowing you're right, but not saying anything?

I'd tell the kid that he's right, but that there's a time and place for arguing one's case and it's not always best to do it immediately, and so publicly.

What would be so good about allowing an entire classroom full of kids to be taught something incorrect when it could have been stopped? I've seen this "letter home" before, it's on snopes and it's gone around in emails a lot. I don't remember whether snopes said it was verifiable or not but whether this instance is true or not, I know firsthand that this sort of thing happens.

I've actually done this, though I didn't get punished for it. I almost got punished for it once (9th grade biology class) but I cordially reminded the instructor that science isn't about respectfulness or minding elders, it's about finding the answers that mesh best with observed reality and that part of the scientific process is publishing your work for others to point out when you've made a dumb mistake because we ALL make dumb mistakes.

It's hard for a science instructor to punish you for following the scientific process rigorously.
611  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: bitHopper: Python Pool Hopper Proxy on: July 19, 2011, 06:08:54 AM
Never mind, it was my own stupidity - I'd entered my ACCOUNT login info for triple, not my WORKER login info lol. It's late, brainfarts happen Tongue
612  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: bitHopper: Python Pool Hopper Proxy on: July 19, 2011, 06:01:07 AM
1) Is anyone mining triplemining?
I am.

2) Issues with api and not correctly setting pools?
I broke the delagger. Does the latest version work?


Just downloaded and no, same issue with not switching to triplemining.  Error in json decoding.

Same issue. the stats page does in fact load for me, Windows 7 64-bit (32-bit python 2.7) and pyopenssl is installed.
613  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: bitHopper: Python Pool Hopper Proxy on: July 19, 2011, 05:44:51 AM
Not sure what was wrong before with the miners not incrementing but I did a fresh pull and rewrote all the passwords.py entries by hand (instead of copy/paste) and it seems to be working.

Also, if (like me) you like seeing the hashes, just edit bitHopper.py and comment out lines 177, 179 and 180 like so:
Code:
#    if bithopper_global.options.debug:
    bithopper_global.log_msg('RPC request ' + str(data) + " submitted to " + str(pool_server['name']))
#    else:
#        bithopper_global.log_msg('RPC request [' + str(data[155:163]) + "] submitted to " + str(pool_server['name']))

There's something comforting to me about seeing those hashes, lets me know things are still working  Grin
614  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: bitHopper: Python Pool Hopper Proxy on: July 19, 2011, 05:23:32 AM
And just endless "RPC request [[]] submitted to arsbitcoin" thereafter - miners report a MH/s speed as though they are mining but no shares ever appear in the proxy and the accepted count on the miners does not increment. Help?

The endless "RPC request [[]] submitted to arsbitcoin" should mean "working as designed". Its the result of the change 22 hours ago commented as "Simpler rpc data representation for non debug mode."

That simpler rpc data representation means you don't see all the content inside [[]].

OK so I'm seeing the hashes with --debug, but for some reason my miner's counts aren't incrementing. I'll have to play with it more, if I figure out what's wrong I'll get back to you on that. I'll probably poke around in the scripts a bit though to see if I can bring my hashes back without --debug. I'd really rather not deal with the excess nonsense on my screen to see the hashes I love so much Smiley
615  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: bitHopper: Python Pool Hopper Proxy on: July 19, 2011, 04:52:46 AM
Oh, and the name of the pool showing the empty RPC requests changes depending on the same logic as the working copies, so at least it's choosing the pool correctly, even if there's no actual miner/pool communications being forwarded or registered.
616  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: bitHopper: Python Pool Hopper Proxy on: July 19, 2011, 04:00:17 AM
With the current version on git, I get this:


And just endless "RPC request [[]] submitted to arsbitcoin" thereafter - miners report a MH/s speed as though they are mining but no shares ever appear in the proxy and the accepted count on the miners does not increment. Help?

You sure the shares aren't being counted?  I have the same thing and ars is absolutely counting them.

Let me check at the pool being mined real quick. I'm not seeing the share count increment at the miner but perhaps that's a communications issue in one link but not the other? Was the showing of the hashes deliberately removed? If so, very poor choice sir, how do I re-enable?

Edit: Nope, no shares incrementing at the pool either, just a wall of empty RPC requests and no actual hashes being passed either way.

Edit 2: I tested it completely vanilla, without even changing the passwords in password.py and it does the exact same thing, yet the builds from 7/14 and 7/16 still work perfectly.

617  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: bitHopper: Python Pool Hopper Proxy on: July 19, 2011, 03:22:43 AM
With the current version on git, I get this:
Code:
[20:18:54] RPC request [[]] submitted to mtred
[20:18:55] RPC request [[]] submitted to mtred
[20:18:55] mtred: 1,451,121
[20:18:55] Server change to arsbitcoin, telling client with LP
[20:18:56] LP triggered serving miner
[20:18:56] btcguild efficiency: 2168.92572407%
[20:18:56] LP Call arsbitcoin.com:8344/LP
[20:18:56] bitp.it efficiency: 152.04977045%
[20:18:56] bitclockers efficiency: 160.286756157%
[20:18:56] rfc: 1,441,572
[20:18:56] RPC request [[]] submitted to arsbitcoin
[20:18:57] ozco: 1,609,608
[20:18:57] triple: 27,162
[20:18:57] Server change to triple, telling client with LP
[20:18:57] RPC request [[]] submitted to triplemining.com
[20:18:57] RPC request [[]] submitted to triplemining.com
Error in json decoding, Server probably down

[20:18:58] Server change to arsbitcoin, telling client with LP
Error in json decoding, Server probably down

[20:18:58] LP triggered serving miner
[20:18:58] LP Call arsbitcoin.com:8344/LP
[20:18:58] RPC request [[]] submitted to arsbitcoin
[20:19:00] RPC request [[]] submitted to arsbitcoin
[20:19:01] RPC request [[]] submitted to arsbitcoin
[20:19:01] RPC request [[]] submitted to arsbitcoin
[20:19:02] RPC request [[]] submitted to arsbitcoin
[20:19:03] RPC request [[]] submitted to arsbitcoin
[20:19:04] RPC request [[]] submitted to arsbitcoin
[20:19:04] RPC request [[]] submitted to arsbitcoin
[20:19:05] RPC request [[]] submitted to arsbitcoin
[20:19:08] RPC request [[]] submitted to arsbitcoin
[20:19:11] RPC request [[]] submitted to arsbitcoin
[20:19:11] RPC request [[]] submitted to arsbitcoin
[20:19:12] RPC request [[]] submitted to arsbitcoin
[20:19:15] RPC request [[]] submitted to arsbitcoin
[20:19:15] RPC request [[]] submitted to arsbitcoin
[20:19:16] RPC request [[]] submitted to arsbitcoin
[20:19:17] RPC request [[]] submitted to arsbitcoin

And just endless "RPC request [[]] submitted to arsbitcoin" thereafter - miners report a MH/s speed as though they are mining but no shares ever appear in the proxy and the accepted count on the miners does not increment. Help?
618  Other / Meta / Re: Why is this forum considered terrible by our development overlords? on: July 19, 2011, 12:32:52 AM
I don't see what needs to be moderated. Sure there are a lot of unpopular opinions and attitudes but, honestly, what will be gained by revoking these people of their voices? Is that really ethical?

I'm all for free speech, but I'm also a big fan of "time and place" and if folks can't be reasonable about choosing time and place, mods are there to choose it for them. For example, I'd rather not browse the forum at work and find very NSFW pics of a newly-bitcoin-tattooed woman on my screen. Not that I'm against nudity or anything, there are plenty of NSFW pics on my hard drive at home, but NSFW without a warning is NOT cool.
619  Other / Meta / Re: Why is this forum considered terrible by our development overlords? on: July 19, 2011, 12:25:28 AM
I think the idea of the main page is to inform newbies that don't know anything about bitcoin - we used to be part of that. Between the "RALLY!!!" vs "CRASH!!!" spam and the draconian newbie whitelisting rules we don't really fulfill that obligation any more...
That's not to say the newbie section is excellent for basic support.

I try to head over there from time to time, see what questions I can answer, what good I can do - I mean the more people there are using this thing the better it is for all of us with BTC in our wallets (adoption tends to drive price) but honestly there's just a lot of madness and drama here that, reasonably, the devs don't want associated with bitcoin officially.

Of course a heavier hand by a better-staffed mod team would be the ideal answer, but we don't always have the resources for ideal, do we?
620  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: MtGox and the Euro - is it resolved? on: July 19, 2011, 12:19:42 AM
The new bank account is opened Tuesday at 11:30, and we should have the IBAN by 13:00. As soon as we have it, it will be posted online.

All withdraws so far will be processed Tuesday evening, or Wednesday in worst case.

Uh... 11:30 and 13:00 where???

Absolutely everything on this forum should be UTC unless otherwise specified. Sometimes people mess up and post local times, but it's usually safe to assumeUTC.  Grin
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