People (considerably younger I suspect) are too absorbed with all this. They "think" within the realms of bitcointalk, exchanges, coindmarketcap, coindesk, letstalkbitcoin, yadda yadda yadda...
The funny thing about those "thinkers" is that they think they understand how things work and they think they're pretty happening, out-there dudes who're able to think their way around some pretty complex issues but I think they're about as advanced as "thinkers" as the knee-jerkers who follow along with everyone else involved in group-think and, when everyone's rushing for the exits or frantically trying to get on board think to themselves "OMG (insert asset/currency) is crashing.....I think I'll get out NOW!!" or "Geez, look at those green candles...think I'll buy into those sells....quick, it's going to the moon!!" (but when you've been around for a while you tend to think a little differently......I think) |
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didn't the finex wall have 6k something?
Currently at 8.5k. just gone up. Now 14K Now 15. Otoh must be having bidding war against himself as to how high he can build the wall! Edit: "On second thoughts". Back to 14 again. And now people are camping at his door! |
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didn't the finex wall have 6k something?
Currently at 8.5k. just gone up. Now 14K |
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Looks like old Dashcoin is dumping now that they know that coin is officially dead
I kinda feel bad for anybody that doesn't know about DASH and is still buying Dashcoin
oh well
It actually raises some pretty interesting ethical issues. If the Dashcoin devs sold their development to Evan (i.e. the Dashcoin name and whatnot), then where does that leave a holder of Dashcoin? Is there some recompense for them too? You'd be pretty upset to find out that the crypto you've purchased or mined has just turned into dust because the "devs sold out"!! I wonder what this means exactly? A crypto is made up of devs, the code (which is generally open source anyway but not always), other associated IP and the coins the holders/investors are in possession of. I could be wrong but "we" bought the coin and "we" can destroy it - burn it While keeping any good parts - more so the name AND - we're gonna cut off the coin part Welcome................................ DASH Anybody that owns Dashcoin should be dumping but I see now that some are buying and pumping Should be something to watch for the next few days but yes - I would be floored over loosing all my coins and mining time/electric bill - that's also why I stay away from shitcoins since last year April Mmm....somewhat troubling (but not surprising for this "wild west" realm). If this is correct it means a dev of any of these altcoins can "sell" his or her development and, if the new owner decides to take the name or disband it, any cyrptocurrency units out in the wild effectively become worthless overnight? I don't like the sound of this. I know there are no guarantees in crypto but that's pretty terrible. I've read a few pages of their thread (and noted your, what's effectively a, "tough titties suckers!!" posting there Mangled) and they seem to have been taken completely by surprise and now their anon dev "slb" is actually seen as a complete SOB and would be drawn and quartered if he shows his face there any time soon! But they're talking about taking it over as a community (SPR style). I just wonder what the ramifications of all this are i.e. what stops them (if it's open source) just continuing on with Dashcoin and refusing to change its name! Very surprisingly though their market cap is going up! A few hours ago it was just over $6K, then it went to $6.5K and just now was $6.65K. Doesn't make any sense at all unless people think somehow we're switching with them and they're going to now be Darkcoin! (wouldn't surprise me if someone's buying madly thinking this.....insane). |
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Looks like old Dashcoin is dumping now that they know that coin is officially dead
I kinda feel bad for anybody that doesn't know about DASH and is still buying Dashcoin
oh well
It actually raises some pretty interesting ethical issues. If the Dashcoin devs sold their development to Evan (i.e. the Dashcoin name and whatnot), then where does that leave a holder of Dashcoin? Is there some recompense for them too? You'd be pretty upset to find out that the crypto you've purchased or mined has just turned into dust because the "devs sold out"!! I wonder what this means exactly? A crypto is made up of devs, the code (which is generally open source anyway but not always), other associated IP and the coins the holders/investors are in possession of. |
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............................................................................do what you want without exploring or research or even trying to understand the concept
Mangled is making an important point here that needs to be considered. lol - this IS moving forward to mainstream international usage as a currency
We are not a payment service
We are not a bank
We are a currency - yet to be determined by law
DSH will keep us limited and more confined to the land of Crypto
We need to think BIG and
We need to think Internatioanal
He's attempting to get people to think about where this thing will be in the future and to plan for DASH to be quoted amongst other major currencies. I'm not knowledgeable enough about these internationally recognised Xxx currency ticker symbols but someone needs to investigate and make sure we're not ignoring that now at huge cost down the track. |
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Dash sounds lame, this is crypto, this is bitcoin, litecoin and darkcoin.
You've just stated exactly why we shouldn't continue with the "*-coin" type of branding. We have transcended the "me too" phase on the technical side, why keep a name that restricts us to limited growth within a closed (and saturated) market of freedom and privacy-loving techies? You need to think beyond "crypto" if you want more adoption. To quote what I posted yesterday: ...at this point it is more important to get more people using it and start having personal responsibility for their own money. The counter-culture libertarian guys who actively seek out anonymity tech will always read the fine print and understand what it is anyway. As far as marketing is concerned, these are the smart people who we need to worry about LEAST, and their numbers pale in comparison to those of the bank-bound, follow-the-leader masses.
Go back in time eight years and ask someone "Do you have a Gmail or Hotmail address?" Now do the same thing again today... Oh yeah, you can't because only one of those big "~mail" brands survived. Today we can instead ask "Do you have Gmail or Facebook?" Here we have two totally different brands, both of which can serve a similar purpose of connecting people but go about it in different ways.
"What payment do you accept? Bitcoin? Darkcoin? Credit Cards? <--weak, "me-too" "What payment do you accept? Bitcoin? DASH? Credit Cards? <--see how it has equal footing as the others now? Darkcoin is ultimately competing with Bitcoin, gold, fiat, etc.--not other altcoins. I think it was CryptoChronic who contributed to a few of the last 50 pages, brandishing his assertion that Darkcoin cannot ever compete with Bitcoin. I think that's the real underlying assertion which stokes this fiery aversion to the name change. He's actually right about one aspect: the name. "Darkcoin" can't compete, but "DASH" can. The DASH proponents are thinking bigger and more long-term, just as the lead developer is. Another thing people need to remember is that in the end people are going to decide themselves what to call it--we can only nudge them in a particular direction. If our name is Dash, they might call them "D"s or "DA-DAs" or even just "bucks" or "credits." Most of the fiat currencies don't even go by their official names. Ever wonder why the chinese call it yuan? That word just means a unit of money, they hardly say RenMinBi which is "The People's Currency." When Dark/Dash/whateverwecallit takes over as world currency, people in China will stll call it yuan. Which reminds me, the Chinese mistranslation probably happened because someone decided to use the same first two Chinese characters of the popular Blizzard game title "Diablo" 暗黑破壞神 or literally "Dark Lord of Destruction" instead of the more common way of saying dark "黑暗" like the Chinese movie title of The Dark Knight or the Chinese for "The Dark Ages." That translator probably was more of a gamer or techie and thus imparted his own flare in the word choice. My point is that in translation, people really are going to name it whatever they want. At least with the original English version we decide now, we can have some degree of control over what their initial feelings about the word, and thus their subsequent local naming decisions. With "DASH" there is little chance it can be translated into something dark or demonic. There are some writers in this thread that are almost too intelligent and articulate for the readership's comprehension level. You're one of them Bridgewater! |
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DASH it is! Fantastic!
This is just the best news since I first became involved in DASH. The future is now very bright and the potential of this development is now extraordinary. Even has negated the number one reason why DASH would never have broken out of its tiny narrow crypto/anarchist/criminal realm. We can now take it to the mainstream financial world without being knocked out of consideration before 99% of people even look at it.
A great moment.
I'm very very pleased and happy with this decision.
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More of the same
So Adam White what has gotten into you and jerked your chain so badly you feel this incessant desire to attack and slander everyone here? We've all explained to you what happened at the launch of Darkcoin and how much of a non-issue it is. I wasn't here for that and originally bought in close to the ATH when the big pump happened so I'm not a beneficiary of the large number of coins that were floating around at ridiculously low prices at the time (and I'm still underwater from then) but I'm not concerned about it. I've seen nothing but a very hard working lead developer and people who add enormous value here again and again. And the Darkcoin development team just keeps delivering again and again with new innovations and fresh ideas on how to solve the many shortcomings crypto's had up until this point. People here enjoy this immensely, but no one's making huge money out of it (yet). Where is this scam you're going on and on about? Where is the rip-off? Who are the beneficiaries? You'd be hard pressed to find anyone who's experienced anything like what you're describing. It's the very opposite; a close knit community of people that are enjoying each other's online company and looking forward to achieving something pretty special. Why do you feel such a deep need to come and put shit all over that and pedal your nasty slander? If you stop and think for a moment (whilst looking at yourself in a mirror) you'd find it very difficult to come to terms with this. It's not what you're ultimately about. I've just had a look through some of your postings in other non-Darkcoin related threads. They're typically passive-aggressive with a mix of demand and incredulity expressed again and again: You are phenomenally and stunningly full of shit. In addition, your posting history makes it obvious that you suffer from severe psychological issues. Seek help
Any specific reason why the devs won't acknowledge a single thing I post in this thread???
I have 2 questions.
Why was this question deleted: "How come your cpu miner was ridiculously slow for so long?"
Why are you so fucking shady.
How many legitimate questions are you going to delete/not answer
This coin is pure garbage. Nothing but a pump before the news that the anon doesn't work. This post will be deleted in 3...2....
4 days later and the windows/linux download links in the OP are still reversed. Is the Node team brain damaged or just lazy?
Mate, you've said to someone on one of these posts "get help" but I think you're talking to yourself. We're a happy bunch here. It's not all smooth sailing; we have some challenges, but on the whole we're happy. You could even come and join us and be part of this very special development that's clearly going to make an enormous impact. But you need to work out what's gotten you so angry and so pissed off and then work out how you're going to let it go and calm down. It can't be good for your health and mental well being! I hope you can find your way to something better than how you're behaving. |
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Xposting from DCT:
I have one last thing to say, the main argument I have heard against Dash is that it is a bland name. I think the people that feel this way are completely missing the point. We should with go with DASH precisely because it is a bland name, so we can build a strong brand out of it. Name != Brand
The problem with Darkcoin as a name is precisely that it is too explicit the name suggests a meaning and detracts from the brand, when the project adds other aspects to it that are not the ones explicitly described by the name. Take important examples in crypto: Circle and Square. They can be developed into great brands in crypto because the names do not suggest any meaning so in the crypto context Circle and Square just acquire the ideals associated with those companies. I am sure if Evan came up with the name Triangle people would be going crazy.
Another good example is Apple, some people might say, but Apple is a huge company, again missing the point. When Apple was back at the garage and Steve Wozniak and Steve Jobs decided to call their new company like the fruit, apple was not yet Apple. Meaning the ideals, you have learn to associate with that brand, great design, user friendliness, good quality, were not present back at the garage, it was just a "bland" name. This property of blandness allowed it to develop into a brand.
Also, the "blandness" of the name, I really see it as flexibility of the brand and it is very important. You have to be capable of abstract thinking and projecting yourself into the future, back when Steve Jobs named Apple, apple, he was only thinking about computers not iPods, iPhones or iPads. Fortunately, their brand is flexible enough. Back when Evan named Darkcoin, darkcoin, he was not thinking about InstantX, scalability or decentralized applications and services that is why we need to change, we need something more flexible as we don't know what will come later.
Same thing applies to Dash, if Circle and Square work, Dash can work too, and if we work very hard, one day people will associate, privacy, freedom, transparency, great technology, decentralization with our brand. Brands take time and hard work to develop, so instead of fighting about a perfectly good name, we should think of ways we can project ideals that reflect the true essence of our project into our new brand. Dash will be great, in time.
BUMP Guys before you get all too carried away with trying to work out words that would fit to make an acronym of DARK I think you should read this post from Minotaur from a dozen or so pages back. He's really nailed the essence of what the renaming is for and how to think about it. Trying to re-use DARK and have it fit within some new hybrid name somehow is fraught with all sorts of problems. Honestly, try to expand your minds out beyond what everyone's thought Darkcoin has been about all this time. This project is way bigger and way more important than "an anonymous crypto-currency". With the capabilities that have been built and now Evan's tackling of Bitcoin's 7 transactions per second limitation, this is going to scale far beyond what most people are thinking Bitcoin will achieve. The branding is all important and historical references to Dark (whilst perfectly understandable from within the crypto sphere) just aren't going to help when one starts considering where this is going and how monumental it's likely to be at a mainstream level where anything "dark" is completely unacceptable. |
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I still like the name darkcoin more, i think it is the perfect name, and i do not like dash. Should focus more on the tech as oposed to PR as well IMHO.
I can understand that, however, Darkcoin is no longer just focussed on "being dark"; there's so much more to it and adoption with the name "Darkcoin" will be but a drop in the ocean compared to the whole ocean if it's given a new, far more acceptable and valid name. I just do not think we necessarelly have to do what is considered "valid" and "acceptable". Since if Satoshi Nakamoto himself though that way, Bitcoin itself would most likely not have been invented in the first place. There is nothing ethically wrong with the name Darkcoin and it is the name that definitely does embody and best symbolizes the cryptocurrency movement, and its spirit, certainly much better then DASH or DC does IMHO, both in the literal and poetic sense. So if the only reason for doing this change is so that Darkcoin can be considered a more "valid" and "acceptable" currency then i would not consider that a good reason for the change. It's not so much about "validity" and being careful not to rock the boat and upset people (or anything around diplomatic catering to people's sensitivities), it's about whether we want to even get to first base in conversations with people in 99% of cases. If you read back over the past pages since this was announced you'll see many many people breathing a collective sigh of relief because they couldn't get past 10 seconds of conversation in trying to introduce someone to Darkcoin without the person recoiling with (almost) horror that someone would consider being involved with it. Darkcoin is a name that's just fine here in crypto circles but that's where it stops. Outside of this tiny tiny little realm that's so insignificant "Darkcoin" means illegal nefarious bad criminal. It will only ever be a tiny niche currency that will only appeal to a tiny subset of Bitcoin users if it remains as Darkcoin. What's been created here is absolutely way bigger and beyond that and we need to set it free from these constraints. Propeller tech-heads are some of the last people in the world that will understand these sorts of concepts and we're getting a fair share of that type of thinking here being expressed. |
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We're rapidly approaching a time when the average person will have absolutely no comprehension on the difference between there, their and they're, its and it's, to, two and too, which and witch, accept and except, affect and effect, a lot and allot, bear and bare, illicit and elicit, let and let's, (and hundreds of others) nor care two hoots about any of it either. Pretty sad.
Since the subject finally came up, I just wanted to take the opportunity to quickly (and as inoffensively as possible) get this off my chest: You don't "loose" money. You "lose" money and "loose" an arrow (as in, "let loose"). Just reminding those around here with otherwise perfect English that this sticks out like a sore thumb because the rest of your text is so awesome. That's all I'm going to say about this, though. Given DASH's bright future, I'm sure nobody in this community will ever have to worry about this particular word again anyway.  You're just too lose with your opinion Bridgewater. You need to loose this attitude! |
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The branding should be unique and when someone spit the word around, it must explain everything about the perfect eCash..
I don't know where to start trying to explain why this (and most of the other parts of your post) are so completely and utterly wrong when one considers the thousands of examples of super successful brands that use a word or phrase that has no relevance/meaning to the product or service being offered. |
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I'm really just a playful fun-loving character who's having a laugh along with you all.... Looking forward to seeing you all successful here. Great work on the re-branding ideas so far team!  I'd like an "extra spicy" one thanks! |
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Sorry to labour this point about "digital" vs "cash". I'll just post this last remark and then shut up about it. Check this scene where Morgan Sturlock asks the merchant "what's the upside of bitcoin for you". The merchant is categorical about the distinction with "credit card" (i.e. digital) money - i.e. that bitcoin is like cash. He gets it immediately (the money that is, not the concept). https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=f6FU-VTMt3Y#t=709I agree with you. It's important to understand these subtle nuances which could make or break how it's perceived. (BTW - just worked out from the figures the shopkeeper mentions to the customer about his purchase that BTC was at $637 when this video was made. How things have changed!) |
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Ha! Brilliant! Wouldn't (woodn't?) it be great if in the future we could have a funny commercial like that for DASH! (unofficially) |
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How much wood would a wood-chuck chuck, if a wood-chuck could chuck wood?
I woodn't fink a would-chuck coud even chuck would coud it? |
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Toknormal you're one of the few people I've come across on an Internet forum that's so very accurate with grammar.
Thanks. But thats only because I went to school. Having said that we all (you too occasionally) get our your and you're mixed up pretty regularly.
Your too right. It's a total black hole for me - I always realise I should be writing one or the other but never sure which one. Can you enlighten ? It would be a huge breakthrough ! Well I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic but you've just done it. Your too right
Your is possessive meaning the person is the owner of something. So it can refer to the writer's person or someone else. You're is the equivalent of "you are". Just remember to check whether you're (i.e. "you are" in this case) talking about you or someone being a certain way or you're talking about you or someone owning something. |
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...its an announcement
...it's  Toknormal you're one of the few people I've come across on an Internet forum that's so very accurate with grammar. We're rapidly approaching a time when the average person will have absolutely no comprehension on the difference between there, their and they're, its and it's, to, two and too, which and witch, accept and except, affect and effect, a lot and allot, bear and bare, illicit and elicit, let and let's, (and hundreds of others) nor care two hoots about any of it either. Pretty sad. Having said that we all (you too occasionally) get our your and you're mixed up pretty regularly. English is a wonderful language. Grammar matters because if you don't get it right (write?) you can sometimes say something completely different to what you meant. |
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