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601  Economy / Securities / Re: BS&T -- Are you staying or leaving? on: July 05, 2012, 04:09:20 AM
Lulz, so those pictures of the shitton of gpus I have running are photoshopped.

I just went through all 68 pages of your history and didn't see a single picture of your "farm" (saw a lot of GPUmax, pirate and shakaru stuff). Since there are no pictures, I guess nothing was photoshopped.


EIEIO is completely separate of pirate holdings. I only started the passthrough after the announcing of trust accounts.  Mining, if done correctly, is extremely profitable, even now.

Taking GLBT ponzi-loans isn't mining.

While you were browsing all 68 pages of my history, did you happen to see all the people I've traded with?  I've only purchased hardware, never sold it.  Tell you what.. you pick hardware, anything that I've bought via the forums and I'll post a picture of it. 

I already saw pictures of pieces of hardware in your history.

You just claimed there were pics of a "shitton of gpus". Post a picture of your farm, I dare you.
602  Economy / Securities / Re: BS&T -- Are you staying or leaving? on: July 05, 2012, 03:57:29 AM
Lulz, so those pictures of the shitton of gpus I have running are photoshopped.

I just went through all 68 pages of your history and didn't see a single picture of your "farm" (saw a lot of GPUmax, pirate and shakaru stuff). Since there are no pictures, I guess nothing was photoshopped.


EIEIO is completely separate of pirate holdings. I only started the passthrough after the announcing of trust accounts.  Mining, if done correctly, is extremely profitable, even now.

Taking GLBT ponzi-loans isn't mining.
603  Economy / Securities / Re: BS&T -- Are you staying or leaving? on: July 05, 2012, 03:04:37 AM
3.5% per week is extremely unusual (except among ponzis). Most bitcoin lending businesses? Tell me where the bitcoin borrowers are. There are no borrowers, just a bunch of lenders soon-to-be bag-holders.

I have a bunch of lenders that I pay 3% a week to. Are you calling me a ponzi?

Obviously, you're just a passthrough. You don't generate returns, so yes its ponzi. Good luck with that after the 27th!

I am one of the few with a Trust Account.  As a result, I'm going to do what no other passthrough is doing:

I'll give you the full 7% beginning 8/1/2012.

That's right.. you can earn a full 7%/week on your coins.  Minimum investment is 1k coins for a period of 1 month.  If you're interested, send me a pm so we can coordinate the transition.
604  Economy / Securities / Re: BS&T -- Are you staying or leaving? on: July 05, 2012, 03:00:40 AM
So shut the hell up and stop bothering people who do.

Stop promoting HYIP scams on the bicoin forums. Go back to LR HYIP forums, or do it on bitcoinhyipforum dot com.

If they do it here, I will exercise my equivalent right (granted by the mods) to "bother" such promoters.

You're doing a great job.  Where did all my coins go?

So they're your coins now? Have fun spending them in vegas at defcon. Take lots of pictures and post them! sleep well and see you there.
605  Economy / Securities / Re: BS&T -- Are you staying or leaving? on: July 05, 2012, 02:54:45 AM
I'm wondering anyway why one needs Occam's razor to understand that 7% per week, or 3,300% per year, or anything above 10% a year means Ponzi? You don't need Occam's razor to state the obvious.

10% per year is the low average for fiat money in actually solvent banks (singapore, georgia (the country), mongolia, etc). 15% is not unheard of.

That's beside the point, however, since most bitcoin lending businesses work on a rate similar to "payday loans" and still make yearly interest in the 100s of %s. Given an average of 3.5% per week (not an unusual rate), compounded weekly, that's

Code:
(1.035^52) - 1 = 4.983

498.3% APR. So, by your definition, all bitcoin lenders are ponzis, yes?

3.5% per week is extremely unusual (except among ponzis). Most bitcoin lending businesses? Tell me where the bitcoin borrowers are. There are no borrowers, just a bunch of lenders soon-to-be bag-holders.
606  Economy / Securities / Re: BS&T -- Are you staying or leaving? on: July 05, 2012, 01:11:32 AM
So shut the hell up and stop bothering people who do.

Stop promoting HYIP scams on the bicoin forums. Go back to LR HYIP forums, or do it on bitcoinhyipforum dot com.

If they do it here, I will exercise my equivalent right (granted by the mods) to "bother" such promoters.
607  Economy / Securities / Re: BS&T -- Are you staying or leaving? on: July 05, 2012, 12:44:28 AM
Hmm.. I'm skeptical, but I'm still staying in it with "money" (Bitcoin itself is a scam, right?) that I can afford to lose.

No, bitcoin is sound money and fully transparent. Nobody here except scammers are promising returns over and above the market. But if you're playing to lose, it will be self-fulfilling. I know I'll be fine long after July 27th, pirate won't have one bitcent of mine.
608  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [Payout Updates] Bitcoinica site is taken offline for security investigation on: July 05, 2012, 12:17:45 AM
Patrick requested him to be added because he wanted to reset server root passwords. And he did receive several email reset confirmations. Whether the email is his personal email or work email, it shouldn't matter. It's the same email that he use to receive the confirmations and all Bitcoinica sensitive emails.

According to zhou, Patrick's email was added at Patrick's request to reset passwords. I can't believe Bitcoin Consultancy doesn't have their story straight this late in the game, and we are still seeing communication failures among their team.

Why would I need that? I already had the password for rackspace.

Indeed I had recently reset the root password for one of the virtual machines by using that password.

I can understand how this might be slightly confusing so I'll clarify.

There are two password reset mechanisms at rackspace.

One is for the rackspace control panel, this sends you an email with a password reset link, I had no use for this.

The second is for the root password of the virtual machines, this is accessible from the control panel, this is what I had used.

Thanks for the clarification. And good decision restricting genjix from root access, I also hope there aren't any local privilege-escalation vulnerabilities on machines where he's left SSH keys!

Best of luck with returning deposits, I hope you can accelerate the process soon once the "puzzle" starts coming together.
609  Economy / Securities / Re: BS&T -- Are you staying or leaving? on: July 04, 2012, 11:57:10 PM
If you haven't noticed already, nothing you do will change WHAT I DO.  In the end you and a few others will "be caught with your pants down", but keep it up... you seem to get getting... nowhere. Smiley

You're talking about your "lenders", not us. At least you admit there's an endgame!

See you at defcon! haha what a joke.
610  Economy / Securities / Re: BS&T -- Are you staying or leaving? on: July 04, 2012, 10:46:18 PM
@Vandroiy

Let's say you have 135K USD right now.  I need you to buy Bitcoins without changing the Mt.Gox rate by 2%.  You have 3 days to do it, nah I'll give you 7 days.  GO!!!

Let me know how that works out for you.

$135k right now all at once moves the price to $6.75, which is only 3%. A far cry from a compounding 7% every 7 days. See you at defcon! lol  Roll Eyes
611  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [Payout Updates] Bitcoinica site is taken offline for security investigation on: July 04, 2012, 09:46:38 PM
bitcoinBull, OK, take it up with Patrick. I'm just retelling a story.

No, you take it up with Patrick. You're the one who works with him. Get your story straight before retelling it. Two people of a three-person company should be be communicating better.
612  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: Bitcoin Savings and Trust | Home on: July 04, 2012, 09:34:03 PM
Pirate's primary (and only one, so far as I know) is because if he disclosed his operation, it would allow more competition to come in.  But the thing is, he's the big player in this unknown niche, as often happens when you're first-to-market.  He's already #1 by a HUGE margin.  Why not just disclose the working operations of your business and put all the nay-sayers to rest?  Competition would be fighting an uphill battle at that point. Pirate would have the iPad of investment schemes while others would be scambling to design something competitive to hopefully capture just 5% of the market.

Because there aren't any working operations. There is no business to disclose.

Withdraw your principal + gains, if you still can.
613  Economy / Speculation / Re: Rally!!!!! on: July 04, 2012, 06:33:59 PM
I strongly suggest all the uber geeks to get uber bullish on Bitcoin. Pronto!

Yea, yea, I know, I've been telling this non stop to everyone for 18 month now.

But do not tell me later that I did not warn ya.


Coins are staying in cold storage until well above $10. Hope you bears are enjoying paying the spread on the way up.
614  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: July 04, 2012, 06:28:12 PM
I think this could be the last we'll see of ask walls before breaking $7.2. The correction was triggered by pirate's change of terms. When the bitcoinica payouts get going, it will continue the rally.
615  Economy / Speculation / Re: A Theory on what pirateat40 is doing on: July 04, 2012, 06:20:41 PM
Once you're done with a 5-page explanation as to why it could work in theory, I'll just say it again: hedging against risk is much cheaper than 7% a week. And the whole card-house comes tumbling down, no matter how neat its theories.

Yeah and it will be a welcome moment when (not if) it does because I'm getting tired of all these pirate/GLBSE/HYIP threads.
616  Economy / Securities / Re: BS&T -- Are you staying or leaving? on: July 04, 2012, 06:17:21 PM
Ok, let's play through a scenario..

Let's make an assumption that for every lender you have for your business, it eats 15 minutes of your time per week.  Sure some will be more because they're needy and ask a bunch of questions all the time, just like others will be less because they just want a 'set and forget'.  So, on average, you spend 15 minutes per lender per week.

[...]

1) How does any of the above not match with Pirate?
2) How is any of the above not reasonable?

Its not reasonable because there are no borrowers, only lenders. So nobody is paying the interest, just a bunch of lenders collecting.
617  Economy / Securities / Re: BS&T -- Are you staying or leaving? on: July 04, 2012, 06:05:12 PM
Exactly! If it walks like a ponzi, looks like a ponzi, quacks like a ponzi it very likely is a ponzi.

As i said in the other thread, Occam's Razor has another side. Given Pirates close proximity to the Mexican border, and considering that area is a major drug trafficking corridor, I suspect this isn't a Ponzi at all. Most likely it's simply conversion if drug money, plain and simple. That would easily explain the outrageous returns at least.

Interesting possibility. So you are saying that they are possibly doing "conversion of drug money" AKA money laundering of USD via BTC and somehow this involves borrowing large amount of BTC and paying 6-10% per week on this. (BTW very interesting biz for it's promoters and "others" to be involved in with full self confessed knowledge of it)

Walk me through please, how it works? What is a plausible biz model here? Sorry for being so slow.


If he's laundering drug money, then why claim he can't divulge or competition would come and kill his margins? Because there's such a small barrier of entry to working for that market (laundering drug money), anyone who lives close to the border can do it...  Roll Eyes
618  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: Bitcoin Savings and Trust | Home on: July 04, 2012, 05:57:24 PM
So.. there appears to be a whole lot of lenders, but no sign of borrowers paying the interest?

Have any pirate investors seen any episode of a show called American Greed? weeknights at 10pm on CNBC.
619  Economy / Speculation / Re: A Theory on what pirateat40 is doing on: July 04, 2012, 05:49:58 PM
I've been avoiding commenting on this stuff because it's best practice not to discuss your competition, especially with 7%/week which no-one else can possibly compete with. However, I think the above is the most reasonable explanation yet, but with 2 missing pieces.

[...]

In any event, you won't hear anything more from me on this, but I just couldn't help but give out my 2 cents into the crowd since I find the topic very fascinating. However, I'll also take this opportunity to make a shameless plug for my fund, which is 100% pirate-free so it's perfect for skeptics. As for myself, I'm agnostic on it being a scam vs being real; as with any investment, investor beware. But I never invest in things when I don't know what the business is doing as a rule, since my fund always errs on the side of prudence. Many thanks.

My god, since pirate now everyone wants to start a HYIP scam. cytokine, your "debug output" and claims about "reviewing code resolving bugs" are utterly unconvincing. Since your business (like pirate's) also has a 'secret sauce' and we don't know what its doing either, then by your own advice we shouldn't invest.
620  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [Payout Updates] Bitcoinica site is taken offline for security investigation on: July 04, 2012, 05:24:13 PM
[...] The only thing we are guilty of is that Patrick's personal email got added access to critical infrastructure without his knowledge, and that his email was compromised. And now it is us that bears the brunt of processing payouts.

Why are bringing up Patrick's email again?

Patrick requested him to be added because he wanted to reset server root passwords. And he did receive several email reset confirmations. Whether the email is his personal email or work email, it shouldn't matter. It's the same email that he use to receive the confirmations and all Bitcoinica sensitive emails.

According to zhou, Patrick's email was added at Patrick's request to reset passwords. I can't believe Bitcoin Consultancy doesn't have their story straight this late in the game, and we are still seeing communication failures among their team.
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