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6021  Other / Off-topic / Re: Creating Reputation on: June 04, 2012, 08:52:14 PM
how do I know someone is interested?

If you are online on IRC, someone can message you with a PM.

If you aren't going to remain online put your contact details in your order.

e.g.
To sell a couple BTC for PayPal at the current market rate, you'ld do that like this (from #bitcoin-otc channel):

Code:
 ;;sell 2.0 BTC at "{mtgoxask}" USD "PayPal USD accepted.  PM me using my BitcoinTalk forum account: vite"

Or e-mail address, or Skype, however you prefer to be contacted.  The default is IRC PM, but if you don't stay online, about the only way to message someone is to have the gribble bot notify the user the next time they come online.  That's done like this:

From the #bitcoin-otc channel (or other channel where Gribble is present) the counterparty interested in selling to you does:
Code:
 ;;later tell vite Hey, I'm interested in order #1234 (2.0 BTC for PayPal USD).

Or from anywhere the counterparty can do:

Code:
 /msg gribble later tell vite Hey, I'm interested in order #1234 (2.0 BTC for PayPal USD).
6022  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [UPDATED] www.btcbalance.net - View your balance easily online. on: June 04, 2012, 08:38:00 PM
For the record it is mostly academic because there is little value in attacking the site

Here's one example where that's not true.  If I'm referring to the use case where I use this to maintain balances for payments from customer, each getting their own address (which I've labeled with their name).  If this then were to be compromised someone could go in, add a new address, update the label with a customer's name, then delete the old one.  I'ld never know and might think the customer has a higher balance than this shows.

[Of course, I'ld not use it this way myself, but it might be [mis-]used by someone in this manner.]
6023  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: site without hot wallet on: June 04, 2012, 08:18:51 PM
user sends btc, and his playmoney account is topped up without me having to do anything.

Oh, it sounds like you are trying to avoid having to sweep funds to cold storage.  Normally a service that has a hot wallet and cold storage will sweep excess bitcoins to a cold storage address.  This is described here:

Quote
These typically use cold storage as much as possible, where only the minimum balance necessary to handle withdrawls is on the server. The rest is sent to a separate wallet which is kept away from internet connected computers. Because a wallet can receive coins without it being online, profit can be moved from the server to cold storage without risking the cold money. If an unusually large withdrawal takes place the transaction can be placed on hold until a human operator has time to reach the cold wallet and send money from it to the live site. This limits your losses to the size of your hot wallet in the case of a server breach.

 - http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Securing_online_services

So you are wanting the incoming payment to go directly to addresses from your cold storage.

That can be done without running a bitcoin node even.  Basically you just look at the blockchain to determine amounts received.  So with a list of Bitcoin addresses from you cold storage you have an accounting where you assign one of those Bitcoin addresses to a player and then credit that players account whenever funds are received to that address.

There is a service that helps with this:

 - http://www.BTCBalance.net  [Though you might be wary trusting a third party service for your accounting.]
6024  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: site without hot wallet on: June 04, 2012, 07:20:14 PM
is it possible to receive payments to mtgox or armory watching wallet
and then automatically assign numbers to users accounts ?

while actual coins sit safe and are sent manually on request



Mt. Gox is a hosted (shared) wallet, and thus the bitcoin address that you receive coins at is not "your" bitcoin address, it is Mt. Gox's.  Just that they will credit any incoming bitcoin payments to that address to your Mt. Gox account.

Mt. Gox does have a Merchant System API which had additional per-order fields, I'm not sure if or how these get stored in your Mt. Gox account:
 - http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/MtGox/API/HTTP/v1#Merchant_System

Bit-Pay, Paysius and others offer similar types of merchant services.
6025  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Take Bitcoin by Scanned Check on: June 04, 2012, 07:10:25 PM
if I either deposited a printed PDF or used a webcamascanner to cash it, and it bounced. Never seen it offered, so I figure there is a reason or an opportunity there somewhere.

There are exchanges in the that accept a check (in the mail) for deposits.

In the U.S.:
 - BitFloor
 - Camp BX (Personal check)

In Scandanavia:
 - Bitcoin Nordic

Elsewhere:
 - #Bitcoin-otc marketplace - http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php
6026  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Help With MtGox transfers to the UK on: June 04, 2012, 06:26:43 PM
Since the account holder must have a paypal account, that eliminates some fraud. 

 Huh

How so?
6027  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Empowering honest Bitcoin users on: June 04, 2012, 06:18:37 PM
You introducing a system that imposes a form of taint does nothing to prevent theft but does make using Bitcoin a hassle for those who are innocent.

Therefore I do not support this and will vigorously reject any movement towards this initiative and any like it.
6028  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: PP for BTC on: June 04, 2012, 05:55:13 PM
Hmm, I was hoping for something instant. Is there still anyone here willing to trade?

Just in time!  Another service, Tangible Cryptography, now does PayPal cashout.

 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=85395.0

So the list of places where you can convert Bitcoins to PayPal:

 - Spend Bitcoins - http://www.SpendBitcoins.com https://www.spendbitcoins.com/convert/paypal
 - Bitcoin Nordic - https://bitcoinnordic.com/sell
 - #Bitcoin-OTC marketplace - http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php
and now
 - Tangible Cryptography - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=85395.0
 
6029  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: MTGOX really is affecting me being able to feed my family on: June 04, 2012, 05:50:54 PM
I'm sorry if I'm repeating. I trust MTGOX as I have done plenty of business with them before. I just made a bad decision and I guess need to own up too it for taking so long.

FYI, Mt. Gox has offered to cancel Dwolla withdrawal requests if it hasn't gone through.

The places where Dwolla cash out / withdrawals are possible:

Mt. Gox
Intersango
Camp BX
#Bitcoin-OTC marketplace - http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php
and now
Tangible Cryptography - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=85395.0

of those, only Mt. Gox has the problem with 6+ day delays.
6030  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Fast Cash 4 Bitcoins (Get Paypal, Dwolla, or MoneyPaks for your Bitcoins TODAY) on: June 04, 2012, 05:26:30 PM
You don't but like you said the issue isn't limited to me.  I have funds available right now and Mt.Gox doesn't.  Still the Dwolla has been going fast I likely will need to close it until I can redeposit.  Down to $300 Dwollars.

I ask because Mt. Gox refers to having been given written consent from Dwolla making them a "special" merchant account.

Reportedly there now are 'normal" and "special" merchant accounts:

> (00:52:52) MagicalTux: we have written consent from Dwolla, basically now Dwolla has "normal" merchant accounts, and "special" merchant accounts with extra requirements

 - http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/tp0xt/dwolla_changes_tos_to_prohibit_bitcoin/c4ohxsq
 - http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/tp0xt/dwolla_changes_tos_to_prohibit_bitcoin
6031  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Fast Cash 4 Bitcoins (Get Paypal, Dwolla, or MoneyPaks for your Bitcoins TODAY) on: June 04, 2012, 05:00:25 PM
Dwolla
We will buy your Bitcoins @ MtGox weighted 24 hour average minus 2%.

To continue using Dwolla I had to agree to their terms of service which read:

You understand and agree that you will not engage in the following activities:
- Use the Dwolla system to operate or engage in any business regulated by FinCen, including the money service business;
- Use the Dwolla System without written consent in association with any online credit or virtual currency system;

So by trading my bitcoins for your Dwolla, how do I know that you've gotten approval from Dwolla to do these type of trades?

[To be fair, this isn't a problem unique to you, I have the same concern with withdrawing USD funds through Dwolla from Mt. Gox, Camp BX, Intersango, Get-Bitcoin, etc.) but they were operating before Dwolla's new terms of service were imposed so I somehow feel safe assuming they and Dwolla have things worked out already and are allowed to continue that activity.]

Bitcoins to prepaid Mastercard.

Anxiously awaiting this.
6032  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Warning Re: MtGox/Dwolla -- $$ Disappeared. on: June 04, 2012, 04:17:33 PM
 If that had been a standing requirement at the time of my transfer in, I simply wouldn't have transferred.  

I've not seen where they've delayed incoming Dwolla transfers by more than a few hours.

So you are saying you did this transfer from Dwolla to Mt. Gox occurred prior to to May 25th and it was not immediately credited, and then now when you inquire they are imposing the new terms that went into place beginning May 25th?

 - https://mtgox.com/press_release_20120518.html
6033  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Address Name Servers? on: June 04, 2012, 04:04:31 PM
That way I could just tell someone, "send the BTC to ElwarFromUS" or some such name. Companies could say "send it to BitMint-Listing-Fee".

That works for things like donations where you don't need to know who sent the money, but that's a complete fail for the example you gave: "BitMint-Listing-Fee".

I suppose you could set up an alias to have a receiving address per-customer, so at least you'ld know who the payment was from, if you wish.
6034  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Please forgive my ignorance, but WTF ? on: June 04, 2012, 02:47:14 PM
So should I start building code that will be able to identify all the addresses that currently hold BC that came from 182tGyiczhXSSCTciVujNRkkMw1zQxUVhp?  Or is there already that software?

Like this?
 - http://toolongdidntread.com
 - http://anonymity-in-bitcoin.blogspot.com/2011/07/bitcoin-is-not-anonymous.html

And here's a method that provides a visual traversal method if you want to do it manually:
 - http://blockchain.info/tree/5484758

Manual investigations or a flow analysis method will help reveal some identity where the use of bitcoin is typical.   But if basic precautions are employed, bitcoins can be used anonymously.  The thief knows to only spend anonymously, or ... like has been done already, to spend in ways where it doesn't matter like spending by donating to the bitcoin faucet, or giving away coins, "Robin Hood" style on IRC:
 - http://pastebin.com/3ukW7NpN
 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=82581.0;all

 
6035  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: PP for BTC on: June 04, 2012, 06:50:51 AM
Hi, I'm looking to trade 2 BTC for $10 PayPal please
I'll go first for renown members. Thanks

Just to clarify, you are selling bitcoins and looking for a buyer to pay with PayPal?

If you weren't aware, there are a couple of methods to cash out BTC to PayPal:  SpendBitcoins.com is one, and Bitcoin Nordic is another.
(Well, a third is to buy MoneyPak and load a PayPal account with that.)

If you can't get a trade here, consider the #bitcoin-otc marketplace.  There often are people there wishing to buy bitcoins with PayPal.
 - http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#bitcoin-otc-foyer
 - http://bitcoin-otc.com
 - http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratings.php
6036  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Mt.gox bitcoin withdraw to a different wallet not showing up 50hours later on: June 04, 2012, 06:35:20 AM
I'm quite certain that I did not check "open transaction" should I do this for all future transactions? thanks

It depends.  Mt. Gox's explanation, if I remember correctly, is that the Widthdaw BTC function isn't meant to be used as a bitcoin wallet this way, so you would normally withdrawing to your own wallet and then sending payments from there.  But most people use it as a wallet and make payments from it, just as you did.

In the instance where you were transferring to someone who you knew used a wallet on Mt. Gox, you could count on the bitcoins transferring immediately.  If you mark the checkbox "Open transaction", then that no longer transfers instantly to the other Mt. Gox account and requires six confirmations just like a normal payment would.

But otherwise, to avoid this very scenario, marking the Open transaction gives the ability to see in the blockchain the status of the payment.

So if your other wallet uses Mt. Gox as well, you won't see the funds on the blockchain but they should have been sent.  Have you checked with the service where your other wallet is at?  If you haven't gotten a response to your ticket, I think you can "ping" by adding a response to the ticket yourself, or perhaps creating a new ticket if you can't get anything to pop with the old one.
6037  Other / Off-topic / Re: Creating Reputation on: June 04, 2012, 06:15:09 AM
Thank you very much, I was finally able to create and register the gpg. Guess thats a step forward in the learning curve.

Well, the hard part is out of the way now.   Welcome to the WoT!
6038  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Help With MtGox transfers to the UK on: June 04, 2012, 06:03:13 AM
I have tried intersango but nobody was buying bitcoins

It is an order book, .. there's always bids, thus there's always someone buying bitcoins.  Did you mean to say the bids were better on Mt. Gox so that's where you sold?

small amount of cash, 20gbp, that i hold in mtgox

There is a $75 recommended minimum for International Wire withdrawal, I think that's because the fees make anything less cost prohibitive.

It doesn't look like under the new Withdraw Center that there is an option to do a domestic GBP bank withdrawal so for bank transfer the International Wire looks to be the only option for that.

i would like to know is if there is any other way to get my hands on my money?

Could you instead accept PayPal withdrawal?

Bitcoin Nordic and Spend Bitcoins both offer a PayPal cash out service.  (You'ld need to do a trade in Mt. Gox to buy back bitcoins using your GBPs first, sorry).

You might also try doing a trade in the #bitcoin-otc marketplace.  There are P2P services, like Barclay's PingIT which you could use to receive a GBP payment in exchange for your GBP Mt. Gox redeemable code.  You could probably find someone willing to do that 1:1 (i.e., no fee).  Do check their trust history on the #bitcoin-otc Web of Trust (WoT) first.  Redeemable codes are useful for escrow so consider using a trusted escrow partner if you have any doubts that the counterparty can be trusted.
6039  Economy / Gambling / Re: [BITLOTTO] June 1 winner is **>485 BTC (>$2,000 USD) ** Next draw is July 6! on: June 04, 2012, 05:39:29 AM
From the Pool page:
 - http://www.bitlotto.com/pool.html

It reads:

Quote
How the hashes are done for pools
Official pools run by BitLotto will ONLY use the first valid payment tx hash . If the first transactions appear all at once, in one block, it will be the hash in that block that is sorted 0-9, a-f first.

If I understand it correctly, I think that would be worded better by saying something to the effect of:

If the first block in which a pool transaction appears has more than one payment tx then the one used as being first will have the lowest payment tx hash in that block after sorting all payment txs 0-9, a-f.

Additionally, from the Pool page I see:

Quote
BitLotto's Stranger Pool
Each group of 10 tickets sorted by date (oldest is 1st) will share the winnings.

Is it really sorted by date, or by block?  This is material because there is no guarantee the timestamp for blocks are in chronological order.   Block 182,935 has a later date than block 182,936, for example.
6040  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Mail Dwolla money? on: June 04, 2012, 03:52:44 AM
For
Is there a service that will mail physical money to the specified address for a fee from your PayPal/Dwolla

PayPal, I can't imagine anyone offering that directly.  

There is a party offering to mail out cash for bitcoins, so if you were to convert your PayPal or Dwolla first to bitcoins, then withdraw using this cash-in-the-mail nobody would be the wiser.  But it isn't cheap!
 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=82983.0

As far as a Dwolla service that does this, Dwolla's terms of service were changed recently and expressly forbids this.  Here's the section from their TOS:

You understand and agree that you will not engage in the following activities:
 - Use the Dwolla system to operate or engage in any business regulated by FinCen, including the money service business;
 - Use the Dwolla System without written consent in association with any online credit or virtual currency system;

So even if you found a party that does this that would violate your terms of service.  That said, there hasn't been anyone reporting that Dwolla has closed accounts or frozen funds for doing account-to-account (A2A) transfers that are in violation.  That doesn't mean they won't start doing that, just that to-date, nobody has reported that Dwolla is doing this yet.

Because of the risk of a reversal, offering this type of exchange is as risky as accepting Dwolla in exchange for bitcoins (except that there is a mailing address, but since that could be a personal mail box (PMB) or other drop point, that may not mean much).

There might be an announcement forthcoming from BitInstant in which there is the ability to cash out USDs from an exchange and pick up that cash at WalMart.

In the meantime, the service listed above is about the only cash-in-the-mail method offered.  Another option is to buy a reloadable card and load it with MoneyPak and then visit an ATM to withdraw:
 - http://www.BTCPak.com

Also some prepaid debit cards also can be used for direct deposit accounts.  Walmart's MoneyCard is one such card:
 - https://www.walmartmoneycard.com/AcctMgmt/Content/Common/AddFunds/ACHBankAccount.aspx

So you withdraw from Dwolla to the prepaid debit card.  And from there visit an ATM.

Or do a Western Union transfer to yourself, etc.
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