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6061  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: New Official AMT Thread on: April 19, 2014, 01:06:29 AM
On immersion cooling with Novec fluids...
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=346134.0
http://www.enterprisetech.com/2013/11/24/3m-allied-control-cool-clusters-novec-bubble-bath/

Awesome...
6062  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: New Official AMT Thread on: April 19, 2014, 12:34:38 AM
Looking back through some pics I've saved from the old thread and I see a few things to look out for. The picture of fried chips points to the cause: The two chips that burnt are first in line from the fan but - they are hiding right behind the cage divider. No air flow on them aside from a little turbulence as the air spills over the wall.

Moral - either perforate the hell out of any obstruction to air going where it needs to or move the card or remove the obstruction.
6063  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: New Official AMT Thread on: April 18, 2014, 11:12:33 PM
Got an +5v floppy pwr connector feeding the back plane? It powers the link circuits.
6064  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: New Official AMT Thread on: April 18, 2014, 11:08:13 PM
+1 ^^
Pretty much what he was told in the A1 dev forum. But put much more nicely.
6065  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: New Official AMT Thread on: April 18, 2014, 10:51:51 PM
<snip>
Because it is not only heatsink. In such a low voltage and clock I can almost fell  heat on my Technobit boards when I touch them. Something is totally wrong here with quality components or whatever ...
I am wandering if you bought complete Assam led unit what psu is inside Also?
What chips, Avalon gen3? Bitfury? Speed? I see Techno bit selling only small A1 chi miners.
6066  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: New Official AMT Thread on: April 18, 2014, 10:28:57 PM


Do you not have the larger heatsink that covers a whole side of the board? Or do you have a bare board with just little heatsinks? I am trying to understand the need for new heatsinks. The ones on there seem fine to me.

The Dragon Miners seem to have it on both sides,  so I am guessing that they likely have it done right.

Possibly. But those other heatsinks arent covering all the chips either. Which is odd by itself.

Well, you only need to cover the coincraft a1 chips.   I guess the Dragon Miner has all its chips on the center of the board unlike AMT where it is spread out at the edges.

I was under the impression it was a reference design. So all would be building them relatively similar based on the bitmine design. I haven't looked into it too deep but I might out of curiosity.


Bitmine has a revision 3 board that is different from the AMT (Bitmine revision 2) board.   I believe Btimine had trouble with the revision 2 boards and stopped shipment of any system greater than 800 GHs.   Don't know if it was a power or heat problem.  

I think the current AMT design should work at around 800 GHs... 3 boards.

 
There was a post late in the A1 dev thread with a pic of something similar https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=294235.msg5864266#msg5864266

Same central positioning. Also note that they have 2 PCIe power feeds to the card. 8 chips >238GHs from the one board. Check the post date, Feb 3. Wanna bet that Bitmine was already committed to the spread outside idea and stayed that route. Maybe it was blind belief that somehow the power eaten when in turbo would just go away and a really really big sink on the backside would do it?

'Prolly the Chinese just saw what BM.ch had ran into, accepted the power loads and dealt it it properly. Also make it mighty easy to mount a liquid cooling block there...
6067  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: New Official AMT Thread on: April 18, 2014, 01:55:11 PM
I'm poking around the A1 developers thread looking to see what we need to drive the blades. Good place there to start is https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=294235.msg4815054#msg4815054

Have already found that a program called Hexminer http://technobit.eu/index.php?id_product=53&controller=product&id_lang=1 can be used to com with the blades via pc/'ux. good start.
what info does this give you? im using putty to com with the pi. and you killall cgminer after logging in. then type cgminer -DT and it will tell you how your cards are running. "found 8chips 256 active cores" or similar repeated 3/5 times dependant on how many you have.


Haven't played with Hex yet. No boards, no chips Sad
Looks to be a fairy universal miner link between the ASIC's and your computer.

I'm looking at talking to the blades or even just the 2-chip DIY boards without the Pi as supplied by AMT. Assuming I actually get a miner from them that is. If not there is always the Open 2-chip reference version https://github.com/bitmine-ch/bitmine I can build. The CGminer port for the A1 chips is here https://github.com/ckolivas/cgminer/blob/master/driver-SPI-bitmine-A1.c
6068  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: New Official AMT Thread on: April 18, 2014, 03:58:11 AM
no.
6069  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: New Official AMT Thread on: April 18, 2014, 03:08:25 AM
I'm poking around the A1 developers thread looking to see what we need to drive the blades. Good place there to start is https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=294235.msg4815054#msg4815054

Have already found that a program called Hexminer http://technobit.eu/index.php?id_product=53&controller=product&id_lang=1 can be used to com with the blades via pc/'ux. good start.
6070  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: New Official AMT Thread on: April 18, 2014, 02:38:33 AM
Fortunately GPIO cables are standard fare and cheap. just search 'GPIO cable'.
This is getting pretty sad...
6071  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: New Official AMT Thread on: April 18, 2014, 02:05:55 AM

They ordered Antec cases, which i'm sure arrived in quite a bit of protective packaging. They could of used that as an example on how they should ship their miners.

I'm sorry that these guys are so stupid they don't know how to properly package and ship a loaded computer case. If they can't ship a miner correctly, what makes you think they have the sense to develop their own bleeding edge technology?

I agree entirely here.   Not only did they not package it correctly,  they forgot a crucial part.

I am still stuck a week later with a miner that I can't power on because I don't have a backplane!


.... Since we seem to be winging it here to get you going...

Wonder if there is GPIO/USB shield for the RasP that is availablei? That could be used to feed  a 5-port hub ta feed the blades. Then we just need to figure out the pinouts feeding the blades to match. Assuming that those are only usb & associated power that is... <facepalm>
6072  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: New Official AMT Thread on: April 17, 2014, 04:09:35 PM
AMT Miners , please do not send me another miner, I just need this one picked up. I will refuse shipment is anything is sent. I am asking for refund only. I have been put through enough.

I am still waiting for AMT to respond to the boards that were damaged during shipment.   AMT,  respond to me with RMA so I can *also* ship back the damaged units.

BTW,  why are you sending the miner back?  Did it not work?  I forgot the details.
It was another victim of FedEx football und ja das is kaput.
6073  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: New Official AMT Thread on: April 16, 2014, 07:59:26 PM
Hardware, if we can get em runnin, at 200gh per board, find the heat issues at stock speed, then begin to bump these chips, 250 per board should be possible.
If may take water cooling and server powersupplies to accomplish.

That is the fun of it... coinmining by itself is very boring once it runs right.

We are at the wtf stage Smiley

I spend most all of my money on hardware, electricity is always second/third issue as a Hobby I do not expect ROI, I did in the beggining expect to get rich like everyone else.
I spent 20 30 grand on game dev machines during the 2008-2013 era No money expected, did it all for fun.

Oh I sit in campfires and laugh, blows peoples minds.
Ditto. I'll probably go the immersion cooling route when it is time to push the speeds. More on my idea of Best Practices for that later when I do it. Hint: plugables in fluids are a big no-no.

Yes, I am actually making some money mining (Ant pharm) but - I too am in it for tech aspect. Heck, for example in Nov. I spent over 5k building a RenderBeast for playing with 3D graphics (DAZ 3D & Bryce). Is fun but the Beast has maybe 150hrs on it so far and don't plan to ever make money from it. These rigs *will* eventually make money. (when we get them) As for getting rich mining - highly doubt it but at least on-track to have the pharm paid for in July.

Since the mid-1970's I've been designing industrial laser systems and know power applications, thermal and mechanical design, etc. inside & out. Hell even chip design is (limited) part of my bag so... This is a sort of a toy for me. Do I want my system asap? Sure. But for now, with a glimmer of light spotted for A1-based rigs I'm content doing what I can, where I can with useful info here to help folks that actually have their rigs. (Wish I was one...)

In that light: AMT - for the future 2.5/3TH rigs would really really be a good idea to plan on using single-voltage server supplies. eg http://www.trcelectronics.com/Meanwell/hot-swappable-rcp1000.shtml They also have 2 & 3kw modules.

Reasonably inexpensive and up to 6/8kw in a 1U high rack. If +5vdc is needed then derive it in the system with SMT or tab POL regulators fed from that single supply buss. Would make the PSU issues pretty much go away.

We now resume our normal programming.
6074  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: New Official AMT Thread on: April 16, 2014, 01:15:58 AM
DID ANY ONE GET THE PI TO RECOGNIZE THE BOARDS ?
when you plug it in and go through the pi type killall cgminer then type cgminer -DT better if done through putty should come up with a load of info. if it dosent recognise any boards yo may need to check your backplabe is connected correctly.  if it sees boards you should be good to go. head into the amt 192.168.1.xxx and click the save and restart cgminer. may need to do it a coup[le of times but it should start mining
and make sure that little (floppy drive?) power connector is plugged in to the backplane. There's a pic of that further back.

Does anyone have a connection diagram or do customers all have to discover this on their own?

Man.... these AMT folks are the worst.

Think this is the closest we've come to that https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=304605.msg6204573#msg6204573
6075  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: New Official AMT Thread on: April 15, 2014, 11:18:00 PM
DID ANY ONE GET THE PI TO RECOGNIZE THE BOARDS ?
when you plug it in and go through the pi type killall cgminer then type cgminer -DT better if done through putty should come up with a load of info. if it dosent recognise any boards yo may need to check your backplabe is connected correctly.  if it sees boards you should be good to go. head into the amt 192.168.1.xxx and click the save and restart cgminer. may need to do it a coup[le of times but it should start mining
and make sure that little (floppy drive?) power connector is plugged in to the backplane. There's a pic of that further back.
6076  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: New Official AMT Thread on: April 15, 2014, 06:17:45 PM
Pretty sure these are the PCIe socket end (the 6-pin ones), made by Molex from Newark, poke around the products for it and should find the receptacles w/pins. I'd think Digikey would have them as well.

 I'm getting some of them myself to replace the PCIe wiring feeding my Ants. All this PSU talk got me to check the voltage drop over the factory cables: 0.75v lost between the PSU and the terminals on the Ants. Gotta remedy that and since the connectors can take up to 12ga wire - perfect solution..

Thanks dude.  May need to buy a couple just in case AMT disappears for good.

I cannot believe I paid $6,000 for a miner that can't be powered on because it just lacks the necessary components and the manufacturer refuses to respond to support questions.

Found the headers for the board side they are Molex pn-45718-0002 6-pin Mini-fit Jr. headers with 4.2mm pitch http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Molex/45718-0002/?qs=%2fha2pyFaduhnzZv7OU0FzsktPgT52Mb1S8Ub4aXVuUipBDBb45pb7A%3d%3d

Damn hard to dig up that info. Even the ATX psu design rules are not specific on that.  It gives the example Molex pn's for every other connector...
6077  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: New Official AMT Thread on: April 15, 2014, 05:35:46 PM
<crickets>
They maybe lost their link to here?  Roll Eyes
6078  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: New Official AMT Thread on: April 15, 2014, 05:28:19 PM
Anyone know where I can buy those white plastic power connectors?

I may need to source those just in case AMT does replace my broken boards!!

AMT service is so pathetic that I need to go on this board to beg for parts!

Anyway,  just in case AMT reads this thread:

I need a BACKPLANE!


I need an RMA to return 3 damaged boards!

Order #961!

EDIT: Pretty sure these are the PCIe socket end (the 6-pin ones), made by Molex from Mouser, poke around the products for it and should find the receptacles w/pins. I'd think Digikey would have them as well. The critical spec is that they are 4.2mm pitch (pin spacing) equiv to the Molex Mini-fit line.

 I'm getting some of them myself to replace the PCIe wiring feeding my Ants. All this PSU talk got me to check the voltage drop over the factory cables: 0.75v lost between the PSU and the terminals on the Ants. Gotta remedy that and since the connectors can take up to 12ga wire - perfect solution..
6079  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: New Official AMT Thread on: April 15, 2014, 02:58:12 AM
ROFL!!! Sad to say but it seems we are not alone in the FedEx Football games... From the Antminer s2 forum I proudly present https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=515448.msg6098348#msg6098348
And not all is exactly well in that camp either re:performance.
6080  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: New Official AMT Thread on: April 15, 2014, 12:17:55 AM

Nice!. Hopefully I will soon be getting the same kit. Thinking about a Coolmaster 1,200w PSU but for now have a 1,200w HP server PSU coming tomorrow (much cheaper btw) to poke around with and figure out until my 520 comes in.

Query: do I need any 4-pin Molex (+5 & +12v) for anything? The server PSU can feed 5v @3a if needed.

On the temps: 65-70c on the chip sinks? Toasty but not unreasonable. For 'official' specs on the A1 chip I refer to Bitmine's Github site. https://github.com/bitmine-ch/bitmine/blob/master/Specs/CoinCraft%20A1.pdf
p1 is the quickey specs, p. 13 is power and temp specs.


What do the chokes on the board read? On my Ants they are the hottest things @ 75c in a slow/dead air zone, around 40-50 in an airstream. Chokes can easily take up to 140c or better but - caps sitting next to them are not so happy...

Got a thermocouple to poke between the big heat sink fins opposite where the chips sit? Be interesting to know the ΔT between the sides...
all you need is x amounts of the 6 pin or 6/8 pin connectors used for gpus for your blades, the 24pin motherboard connector and a floppy drive connector for the pack plane.
 if you have sata cables or molex cables you wont need them so to speak. but you may be best off getting some fans to run off the molex/sata cables and place them to the rear of the cage in a push pull style to give good cooling to the back chips. for the top board you WILL need some sort of fan as there is not a great deal of n/a cooling they sit around 60-708c with the fan.
definatley monitor the temps as you run.
These use the 24-pin mobo connector?  Interesting. A fair amount of total +12v power is available there... Kinda sounding like a regular PSU is better to save a bunch of wiring with the mobo connector but I do have all the pc connectors needed if I'm ambitious. Guess I could use the server PSU for some of my Ants.
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