Ban all entrepreneurial software development then.

And watch your socialist hell collapse into massive poverty.

Superman lives but Multiple Sclerosis is a form of Kryptonite.

I guess you fail to understand that I wrote CoolPage all by myself. And I wrote most of WordUp by myself. Both were notable commercial successes.


I am not sitting on a patch. Even if I told you the design, it can't be implemented in Monero. You must start over again. There is no choice.

So who will build out that entirely new code base?

You need either a team or a Superman or preferably both.

Do you think that if I released those ideas without code that they will spontaneously code themselves  


I am not sitting on anything. There was another choice. Do not sit on it but also do not throw into a socialist pool where either nothing with happen (likely because so very few people are capable of implementing a new code base apparently), or it will have 100 copycat implementations destroying the chance of any one of them having the momentum to really change anything. Monero could end up being a prime example of that effect and it was even already implemented by Cryptonote.


Yeah if it is patch. But there is no way Eric would be stupid enough to write that about something which is not a patch. Altruist giving isn't going to occur by releasing some unimplemented designs.

He would argue release often into the public domain of open source, while also driving the development forward. And he would be correct, except that I also understand we are making a cryptocoin and it needs some exclusivity pre-launch else it won't be able to gain any momentum at launch. After launch, then of course all code improvements should be released immediately into the public domain open source.


Yes and I also understand what I read.  


I want to release it. Why do you think I was bitching about not being able to find anyone to hire or collaborate with.

But I won't throw a non-patch into a pool which doesn't exist because I am not stupid. I understand what can and can't be effective.


I am not trying to save the morons from themselves. I am hoping to accelerate their self-destruction so we can get on with cleansed world. A very good anonymous internet and money in a exponentially expanding Knowledge Age could help accelerate the collapse while also providing refuge for those who are not morons.


Hitler was an Artisan.

Guardians   Their idea of guardian is moar debt-funded, welfare spending. They are self-destructors, walking hand grenades.


I believe most of the guns are held by those few (3 million perhaps) who believe in individual sovereignty and small government.

Perhaps they are outnumbered in firepower by the USG.


You don't need to change the will of all the people, just the people who matter economically.

I figure those people who don't want to prioritize working with me already fail that test., lol  

I didn't say no deal. I just haven't contacted you for a few weeks, mainly because I been busy trying to find a person I could hire to help me implement the designs. But there is also some truth to that I am hesitant to tell you anything because you refuse to implement strong security procedures.

If I really need money, I will have no choice. And of course no developer should say he is not appreciative of investment that he needs to complete a project. At this time, I have enough cash (and other commitments from those who are willing to follow more secure methods of communication), if it is only me who is working on the project.

I might have needed more investment pronto had I needed to pay the compensation for a mathematician or programmer. Several times I thought I almost had someone to work with but it seems there are not many people in the world these days who have all the necessary attributes:

• Qualified in math and or programming (actually many people claim to program but it doesn't mean they are any good)
• Know how to work efficiently in a small team, subjugate their ego, and work for a delayed gratification with some risk dependent on their performance.
• Willing to implement proper computer security such as an air-gapped Linux computer and a separate Linux computer to be internet facing on for the project which is not used for other activities. Also including knowing how to base64 encode and decode files to send them over Bitmessage, how to checksum check, encrypt and decrypt with 7zip so that Bitmessage files aren't fully decrypted on the internet facing machine, knows how to never open a PDF file, etc, etc, etc,
• Is as dedicated as I am, because they take Martin Armstrong's predictions as seriously as I do, including but not limited to a war, economic collapse, and pandemic mad max coming 2018ish. And a Little Ice Age coming 2030ish which will decimate northern climates. I doubt many people are thinking about the mass starvation and open sores on the bodies of most people that is coming.

rpietila your computer security is inadequate for me to tell you anything and have myself retain any anonymity from the NSA. Everything I tell you is recorded by the NSA, because you don't care. I understand that is your choice. And I understand that if I have a choice, I would choose not to tell you anything for that reason. If I end up having no other choice, then I will have to decide whether to just quit or to allow everything I say to you to be recorded. With all the problems I already have in my life, you add more problems. But it is also potentially possible there ends up a situation where you rescue the project from cash flow failure. But I remain very adamant that people should be able to do computer security if they are serious about anonymity.


Releasing them as a product the soonest would be the best. It is not ideal having good ideas laying around unimplemented. Also it increases the chances they could be lost.

When I lost vision in my right eye, I asked all my friends and relatives to try walking around for a few hours with a patch on their right eye. Everyone refused. They tried to put their hand over their eye and immediately removed it. They hated it. No one really wants to know what another person feels.


It is impossible for someone who doesn't have Multiple Sclerosis to understand what it feels like.

Imagine when you had really bad stomach pains, now imagine having that every day during some hours of the day.

Imagine when you had a stuffed up head from a head cold and really hated life, now imagine having that every day during some hours of the day.

Imagine when you over exerted yourself on a very hot day and you got heat stroke. Now imagine having that every day during some hours of the day.

Etc. It is a serious illness that causes a myriad of disseminated malfunctions all over the body. These malfunctions feel like crap. They aren't just painless or free of feelings of malaise.

Men can handle short intense pain. We were built for that. But enduring day after day after year after year after year...that is a different sort of struggle and challenge.

As I said, sometimes I think it is less worse than it was. Maybe I am just the eternal optimist who doesn't want to give up. I dunno.

Any way back to work. I am just rambling...

I am not eating any carbs at all. I just ate pork and spinach for dinner. Didn't even eat any sweet potato.

M.S. is a grinding shit. Sometimes I feel if I could just get rid of this body, I could be happy again. But then when I drive to the basket and fly in the air one more time, I don't want to give up this body just yet. My gf says I out boxed the heavy bag this afternoon as compared to some other very athletic 20-somethings in the gym today. I let her hold the heavy bag once and I hit it and she flew to the ground and she will never hold the bag again, lol.

Working night and day (literally) is probably exhausting (but it used to be exhilarating before I contracted M.S. and still is exciting sometimes ... well often but I always have the M.S. lurking and disrupting the sense of good feelings).

I think writing 10,000s of posts in forums and not ever finding a technological peer to collaborate with can be sobering in way. Which perhaps affects the mood.

Mostly I think I am just tired from the workout but I don't want to sleep. I want to go finish a white paper, but don't know if I have the energy. Probably have no choice and must sleep.

I am tired of thinking about my stressful life. About all the pitfalls laying in front of me due to my (non-divorced, with one of still minor kids until 2017) ex being in the USA, due to having this fucking USA citizenship that I'd love to throw over a cliff some where if I could...

My ex spends more of my money than I do. I live frugally. I recently stepped up from a $80 a month chicken shack to a proper 4 bedroom, 2 bath, modern home in a gated subdivision for only $350 per month. I am spending less than $10 a day on food (and feeding 3 people).

I had been giving away a few $100 every month to various people I know whose families are suffering health and poverty issues. Need to get back to that again this week.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_sclerosis

Multiple sclerosis (MS), also known as disseminated sclerosis or encephalomyelitis disseminata, is a demyelinating disease in which the insulating covers of nerve cells in the brain and spinal cord are damaged. This damage disrupts the ability of parts of the nervous system to communicate, resulting in a wide range of signs and symptoms,[1][2] including physical, mental,[2] and sometimes psychiatric problems.[3] MS takes several forms, with new symptoms either occurring in isolated attacks (relapsing forms) or building up over time (progressive forms).[4] Between attacks, symptoms may disappear completely; however, permanent neurological problems often occur, especially as the disease advances.[4]

While the cause is not clear, the underlying mechanism is thought to be either destruction by the immune system or failure of the myelin-producing cells.[5] Proposed causes for this include genetics and environmental factors such as infections.[2][6] MS is usually diagnosed based on the presenting signs and symptoms and the results of supporting medical tests.

Although most people lose the ability to walk before death, 90% are capable of independent walking at 10 years from onset, and 75% at 15 years.

A person with MS can have almost any neurological symptom or sign; with autonomic, visual, motor, and sensory problems being the most common.[1] The specific symptoms are determined by the locations of the lesions within the nervous system, and may include loss of sensitivity or changes in sensation such as tingling, pins and needles or numbness, muscle weakness, very pronounced reflexes, muscle spasms, or difficulty in moving; difficulties with coordination and balance (ataxia); problems with speech or swallowing, visual problems (nystagmus, optic neuritis or double vision), feeling tired, acute or chronic pain, and bladder and bowel difficulties, among others.[1] Difficulties thinking and emotional problems such as depression or unstable mood are also common.

There is no known cure for multiple sclerosis.

I wasn't asking for financial help. I was lamenting the lack of availability of a qualified mathematician or programmer willing to work for a lucrative mix of cash and coins. I replied to you in detail over in the Economic Totalitarianism thread.

Any way I wasn't seriously expecting anyone to come to my doorstep. I have 30 years of experience and seen that even the software shops I worked for could not find talented individuals. They had to merge with another company to find those few talents, and the result was a culture clash.

Steve Jobs found his Jonathan Ive. I never found mine.

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-thoughtful-way-apples-jony-ive-managed-steve-jobs-2013-9

This is so very Steve Jobs (reminds me of myself sometimes, except when I try to be too nice and always end up regretting it exactly for the reason Jobs states):

http://www.businessinsider.com/jony-ive-once-asked-steve-jobs-why-he-was-such-a-harsh-critic-2014-10

Jobs was incredibly gifted at cutting to the generative essence, as my former boss explained:

http://relativisticobserver.blogspot.com/2011/12/2011-year-of-steve.html

OROBTC you come from the old world. I think you don't really have a good handle on how the information age is changing all these assumptions that you think are valid. I mean maybe you all will end up being correct and I will end up the buffoon who tied to do everything differently. Time will tell...

Nobody holds a whip hand over me. They can take my code from my cold dead hand. You don't understand that I built for an example an entire one man software company servicing 0.3 - 1% of the entire internet. I never had to take vulture capital and I never will.

I had enough commitments for funding. But I can't find any qualified mathematicians or programmers who want to be paid.

One of the issues is I demanded that people follow some basic computer security, such as running an air gapped computer for decrypting all messages and for all coding.

Also I am accustomed to working very closely in a team. When I worked with Mark Zimmer and Tom Hedges (two Caltech geniuses), we worked in cubicles without separate offices. We could shout any thing and there was a feeling of energy and motivation from working together to achieve goals. And communication was very efficient. I still remember the late Tom Hedges would send me instructions that were one sentence. I was smart enough to deduce everything from that one sentence that wasn't written. I can't find anyone like that today. Everybody here always misunderstands even I write volumes and volumes of explanation.

The actual situation is that most people are really fucking loathe to lift a finger to do anything that they don't already do. And most people do not believe there is any grave threat on the horizon. You know most people don't worry about the future, they figure if society ever collapses then they will be in the same boat as everyone else so c'est la vie.

Yet I run around doing what ever I need to in order get things done, building computers, operating from numerous locations because Bitmessage doesn't work in my home office, etc.. All of this while also enduring the way the Multiple Sclerosis can sap energy and generally makes one feel sort of like they are zombie (even its better perhaps than it was but it is not like I feel supercalifragilisticexpialidocious, rather just less worse).

Any way I was not putting that message out there to say I needed money. I was wondering if there were any talented mathematicians or programmers lurking who might suddenly spring into my private message box.

My "self-funded" comment was thinking maybe such an individual wouldn't already be busy with other jobs. Also I think people should work for a mix of cash and coins, yet it seems most people want the cash and they go to the highest bidder. No one really wants to sacrifice the way I did for example to create CoolPage, or how did in the 1980s to create Neocept's WordUp. I was working 12+ hours daily, ordering pizza, and literately sleeping under my desk for months in order to produce the first shipping version of those software. I didn't receive any income while coding. Note I can't eat pizza (nor peanut butter sandwiches) any more because of my leaky gut theory as to the cause of my Multiple Sclerosis.

I was also expressing some disappointment in myself for wasting 6 weeks, when I should have not even tried to recruit any one and had my head down being productive. Perhaps the main reason I felt I needed to recruit was because I lack the discrete math, theory of numbers, etc.. (my math at the university was Calculus 1 - 3, Diff Equations, Linear Algebra, Probability & Statistics, Numerical Analysis, Set Theory, Applied Linear Algebra, Applied Mathematics 1 - 2, Logic, ...which I aced without going to class just cramming the entire chapters the night before exams). I figure I could probably absorb that math with some textbooks within a few months, but I didn't want to lose that time. And also I really wanted to have some peer review to make sure I hadn't made a mistake. I mean I can sort of wing it by copying code from other projects but it is not the same as having a holistic understanding. So I lured myself into that trap that I had always avoided most of my life. Mistake. Mea culpa. Pissed at myself.

I returned this afternoon from a very intense gym workout for a 50 year old with Multiple Sclerosis. Have only been able to get to the gym twice in past 3 - 4 weeks because working night and day. I don't even know when I sleep or when I awake, it is just chaotic something like 18 hours worked per day.

Before I had M.S., I used to feel so very energized and floating on a cloud after my intense sports and exercise. With M.S., I feel like shit after such as itchiness all over my body, pains or itchiness (always varies minute to minute) on my head, numb legs, etc.. Everyday for me is not a picnic. It is a struggle. I don't get to smile as much any more. I was always known as being so jolly (except when I turn on my tiger in sports or any form of competition such as work and study time). That is not to say it is as horrible or debilitating as it was during the worst times between 2012 and early 2015. However, I can't be sure I am objective. I might just be adjusting to to the tsuris of it and thinking that it is improving.

Any way, opened this site just curious if I might find some post from someone who can talk tech shop with me, or someone who also wants to go for anarchist micronation solution. But then it is always the same. I've been on this site since 2013 and it is always the same.

loathe to lift a finger to do anything that they don't already do

That is why the people will not win against TPTB and all of you will fall into the NWO. Just accept it. Why are you all even trying to hold onto to your wealth? It is pointless. None of you have the balls to do what needs to be done any way. Just give up already. You've already lost.

You wouldn't dare consider making an anarchist micronation because it is too disruptive to your everyday lives. You all couldn't possibly imagine actually having to change your life and demand your relatives and offspring change their lives or lose closeness with you.

Instead you'd rather accept the NWO.

Well I can't blame you. Just go on your merry way. Never mind me. I am just weird. I am not like you. I am different.

I am the guy who threw away my family in the USA and traveled to the Philippines in 1990 at the age of 25 without even a hotel reservation. Just showed in the third world for my first time! I hadn't been beyond Tijuana. It was really the 3rd world back in those days. Fires and smokey piles of trash burning all along Manila bay. People living in cardboard shacks along estuaries.

I don't know if there is any one on this entire site who did what I did and also had major accomplishments too?

Who out there is my peer?

P.S. And my former boss Mark Zimmer works for Apple helping them build top-down control walled gardens and he believes hackers are bad and he has a duty to stop terrorists, etc.. I am not even synergistic with him any more either. I still respect his talent, empathize with his degenerating hips, and he empathized with my M.S. (didn't know it was M.S. when I explained my symptoms to him some years ago), and now I see he has stopped posting to his blog so I doubt I can contact him. Not that I have a reason to.  The world has changed. I got old or something.

Maybe there is a lesson here. Maybe who gives a hoot about the NWO right? The important is you have your family and your health right? Maybe you are just fine. The world can go totalitarian or what ever, and you still have your family and health right? Why are we even here in this forum any way?



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And what if the shit that is coming takes your family, takes your health, and takes your wealth. And leaves you a broken man. Well then maybe we'll have something in common then right?

So WTF am I doing here 

And who said we wouldn't help people   The point is we aren't enslaved from doing so by transferring the power to the State collective morass!

Hell’ll never understand how he makes himself political fodder for the ruling class that captures the State (and soon to be eugenics for all with imminent sovereign debt collapse). As I wrote previously...

That functionality is already incorporated into my designs.

As to the pitching of a technology to a target audience, no sense in pitching what isn't implemented. I was upthread if anything pitching to mathematicians, programmers, and especially those who are self-funded and have precious idle time they are wasting (expending on less important crap) by not working with me.

I believe the economic citizenship programs of the EU nations (even Spain will given you residency if you buy a 300,000 euro property) are a tax trap. They will change the rules on Europeans. It is SOBO (statement of the blatantly obvious) they will not allow Europeans to escape their tax obligations by residing outside the EU, because as they raise taxes on the productive citizens of the EU, the productive Europeans will of course seek out tax havens. Thus the EU will have no choice but to close the loophole that exists. The EU will harmonize with the USA system of taxation (that is what FATCA is for) where you are liable for taxes no matter when you reside. Mark my word! The EU has no fiscal choice because the EU is bankrupt! You never want to be a citizen of a bankrupt nation (or economic union) which has unassailable taxation powers. The Troika is untouchable. They have proved in Greece, they can do what ever they damn well please to you Europeeons (as in peons).



Meanwhile the powers-that-be really do intend to lock you inside the border.

I believe the economic citizenship programs of the EU nations (even Spain will given you residency if you buy a 300,000 euro property) are a tax trap. They will change the rules on Europeans. It is SOBO (statement of the blatantly obvious) they will not allow Europeans to escape their tax obligations by residing outside the EU, because as they raise taxes on the productive citizens of the EU, the productive Europeans will of course seek out tax havens. Thus the EU will have no choice but to close the loophole that exists. The EU will harmonize with the USA system of taxation (that is what FATCA is for) where you are liable for taxes no matter when you reside. Mark my word! The EU has no fiscal choice because the EU is bankrupt! You never want to be a citizen of a bankrupt nation (or economic union) which has unassailable taxation powers. The Troika is untouchable. They have proved in Greece, they can do what ever they damn well please to you Europeeons (as in peons).



Meanwhile the powers-that-be really do intend to lock you inside the border.

I believe the economic citizenship programs of the EU nations (even Spain will given you residency if you buy a 300,000 euro property) are a tax trap. They will change the rules on Europeans. It is SOBO (statement of the blatantly obvious) they will not allow Europeans to escape their tax obligations by residing outside the EU, because as they raise taxes on the productive citizens of the EU, the productive Europeans will of course seek out tax havens. Thus the EU will have no choice but to close the loophole that exists. The EU will harmonize with the USA system of taxation (that is what FATCA is for) where you are liable for taxes no matter when you reside. Mark my word! The EU has no fiscal choice because the EU is bankrupt! You never want to be a citizen of a bankrupt nation (or economic union) which has unassailable taxation powers. The Troika is untouchable. They have proved in Greece, they can do what ever they damn well please to you Europeeons (as in peons).



Meanwhile the powers-that-be really do intend to lock you inside the border.

Thanks for the clarification, so mutual respect can continue. In some sense I was criticizing myself for wasting (not entirely) 6 weeks communicating and believing others could follow through.

My most productive coding has come when I ignore everyone and think everyone is a moron who will waste my time (even if they do have a PhD in Discrete Math for example). Maybe it is true  

I believe exactly the opposite will result. Those useless blobs of flesh will instead migrate away to nanny states (which will euthanize them).

Hey you should have voted, so we can count your "state institutionalized welfare for blobs of useless flesh" opinion.

Well I am arguing at the linked thread, that some balance between perfect anarchy and the world we current live in will be required to get any practical achievement.

Edit: I have not forsaken the orthogonal concept of an anonymous Knowledge Age so as to be defacto sovereign individually without any vote nor group affiliation. Remember we still have a physical body thus we are always physically present in some jurisdiction. The linked post above addresses this reality of our physicality.

Oh I very much agree that "most people are morons".

My post wasn't directly to them. It was as Illodin astutely recognized, directed to those of you here who have the resources to help and who hopefully aren't morons (but probably are  ). And not forsake the profit opportunity of a lifetime as well as Illodin also surprisingly pointed out.

But I am tired of trying to get other people to act. People are so blinded by their everyday satiation. So true. My post was more of a "there is this, but I really don't expect anyone to care because all of you are probably morons too" post.

Linux's Linus was correct— Show me the code, talk is cheap.

Thanks.

P.S. Illodin war will come because that is how TPTB gain leverage. It won't necessarily come every where. It will depend on where that leverage is required. As for the chaos that is coming, it is already cast in stone because the vast majority of people will not change. Disbelievers are going to suffer due to lack of preparation. Some fatalistic religious cults will argue there is nothing you can do about it and you should be a martyr with open proclamation of your networth and nevermind attempting to find some methods on this earth for sovereignty. Perhaps the easiest or most immediately actionable "solution" is disappear and live a very simple life (living off the earth and generating little or no external trade income) in some remote place and nevermind the world. In one sense that is very efficient but from another perspective it is not.

P.S.S. Perhaps you can interpret my ranting as just lamenting how humans are incapable of organizing themselves. It always requires a leader to blaze the trail, then the weaklings follow. I was probing to see if there is anyone else like me out there? It is fun to do teamwork. It is very rare to find though, especially the more intelligent you are, the less likely to find a peer who also agrees with you. You could just punt into a compromise a la Monero. Not my style to punt.

Rather you could interpret my prior post as a warning to those who do not give a damn about their own freedom usually due to incorrect beliefs, brain rotting experience (such as living in European socialism or joining a dogmatic religious cult), and the inability to see how waterfall collapse will trap them.[1]

All I can say is never underestimate me. I feign a lot. My criticisms of how idiotic people are acting right now is not rescinded. The immense difficulty this places on getting correct solutions implemented is a statement of fact. Call it whining at your own peril and not necessarily mine (because each of you have the ability to help make sure correct solutions get implemented but you'd rather make posts to refute me than to lift your finger to help).

[1] Example. You don't want to become a resident of Australia because they tax foreign residents on foreign earned income and dividends. Thus you enjoy yourself there on tourist visas. Yet suddenly war breaks out and the law of physical presence test is not rescinded even though you can not travel out of Australia because of the war. Sane law can become insane. Example #2. You assume that your European citizenship will not tax you if you are not resident of your citizenship country. Suddenly the EU starts taxing directly and they do not honor such an exemption and I bet they will implement a wealth tax in one form of another eventually.

Edit: Was I whining? Or was I challenging the readers to see if there anyone who wants to help me lead. The term "whining" insinuates disrespect. I think it is correct for me to return disrespect with mutual disrespect.

One of my proposed solutions...

Who wants to start an anarchist micronation?

Please click and go vote.

I expect most people do not want freedom. Thus they will not vote "Yes to both". People think they want freedom, but they really don't.

I am trying to find out if there are any other people in this world who think like I do, i.e. have the same political philosophy as I do. Someone who has more time and more skilled in legalese could reformulate this for as long as the themes are the same.

The Philippines taught me how to live like this. I learned a lot from the filipinos about how to live in freedom[2]!

I expect most people do not want freedom. Thus they will not vote "Yes to both". People think they want freedom, but they really don't.

Proposed Anarchy Constitution

Citizenship in the sovereign State of ________ (hereafter referred to as the State) is granted only to the initial owners of the territory purchased to form the State, to any offspring of citizens who declare their unequivocal allegiance to this Constitution, and to any person who so declares their allegiance coincident with written approval from at least two-thirds of the living adult citizens who existed at the time the two-thirds threshold was attained. Citizenship is perpetual except where voluntarily renounced. Renunciation occurs by written statement with three citizen witness signatories or implicitly immediately upon voting for any treaty, law, or amendment that violates this constitution. Non-citizens are not allowed to own private property within the State's territory. Any citizen who has renunciated explicitly or implicitly must dispose of his applicable private property within 1 year, else it will be sold at auction by any citizen of the State and the proceeds distributed proportionally to all citizens.

The State will have no power to enact laws, regulations, raise revenue, nor any euphemism or alternative formulation of the aforementioned concepts. Property rights within the State's territory will be transferred only by a trade between agreeable parties. Property ownership and contracts will be tracked by one block chain. Property rights can be enforced by any citizens at any time, so that possession of property agrees with the non-ambiguous statement of the block chain.

The State will have no power over social concerns and welfare, including but not limited to marriage, compulsory education, cohabitation, individual rights, poverty alleviation, and crime. Individuals may voluntarily enter into social contracts on the block chain, in which case the terms of the voluntary contracts can be enforced by any citizens at any time. The citizens may discourage heinous crime by carrying firearms. Punishment during the act can be death by self-defense. Retribution (punishment after the act) is against natural law and thus will not be allowed[1]. The right to carry firearms of any type is universal for all citizens, and there will be absolutely no restrictions nor procedures required to do so. Nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons are not allowed in the State's territory.

Any adult citizen of the State may create his or her own passport, driver's license, and other State issued document necessary to comply with international norms. Adult citizens may create passports for minor offspring but not operator licenses for machinery (i.e. teenagers may not drive in the State's territory and to be enforced by any citizen at any time).

In the case of ambiguity, citizens must respect the freedom of other citizens to do as they please.[2]

Again the State has no power of taxation nor any other form of raising revenue. Treaties of the State can grant revenue generating measures to external powers, but compliance can only be enforced by on citizens by the external power with liens against their private property that is not within the State's territory. There will be no elected officials and no salaries nor developments funded by the State.

The Constitution can not be amended and its terms are perpetual. The only way to absolve this Constitution is for all citizens to renounce their citizenship. Occupation of the State's territory by a foreign power does not suspend this Constitution, which continues even if all the citizens are residents in absentia.

When traveling abroad, citizens are subject to laws of the territorial jurisdiction corresponding to their physical presence. When in international waters, outer or inner space, or within the State's territory, citizens are indemnified by this Constitution against any jurisdictions which impinge on the sovereignty of this constitution.

The State waives its right to a 200-mile Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) around its territory, and instead claims a 1-mile EEZ.

The State may enter any treaty which does not inpinge on any statement in this constitution and the treaty is valid only if approved in writing by at least three-fourths of the living adult citizens who existed at the time the three-fourths supermajority threshold was attained. Any such validated, unexpired treaty may be rescinded by a two-thirds written vote of the living adult citizens.

[1] In other words, citizens have a duty to be proactive about their self-defense, which it the optimum method of reducing crime.

[2] If you don't like your neighbor's barking dog, then move or buy him out. No nanny state here!

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The 1933 Convention on Rights and Duties of States, also known as the Montevideo Convention provides for the free will of a people of a territory. Of course the practical problem with enforcing the actionable sovereignty (e.g. getting other states to recognize the passport, etc) of such a micronation is that other powers (e.g. states and other terrorists) will both refuse to recognize the sovereign will of the people of State's territory and some powers may even forcefully attack the territory of the State.

http://www.worldislandinfo.com/Starting%20island%20country.html
https://flagspot.net/flags/to_min.html#des
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Country_of_World_Peace#Efforts_to_obtain_sovereignty
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Trinidad

As you can see from the examples above, states are very interested in making sure we remain vassals by quickly responding to any attempt by natural persons to declare sovereignty over any territory which they purchased and/or occupy. Of course, because the powers of taxation and money creation beget from subjugation of individual sovereignty.

I believe there is a loophole which can be leveraged to render the powers of the states impotent.

There exists UN Convention on Stateless Persons. If you are in a country which is a signatory to this convention and you renounce your existing citizenship (or preferably get an official recognition of your relinquished citizenship), meaning you are a stateless person, then that signatory country where you are physically present must provide certain rights to you. They must provide you with an identity and travel document.



So the action I am asking you to vote on today is as follows. I want to know who is willing to co-purchase a territory for a new State, then travel to a nation which offers residency for foreign expats and which also does not tax foreign residents on foreign income and dividends, then print passports for ourselfs in our new sovereign State, relinquish our existing citizenships, and then declare to the host nation where we are physically present to recognize our citizenship in our sovereign State. The host nation (which must be a signatory to the aforementioned UN convention) must either honor our passports or apply our rights under the stateless person's treaty.

I would suggest we more or less stick together in the same signatory nation so have more political clout and economy-of-scale in completing the process. We could also pool our capital to buy some land and create a community we can protect in coming economic collapse. Some examples of affordable bulk land in suitable climates and signatory nations:

https://web.archive.org/web/20130503074339/http://www.byronlutz.com/antolopez.htm (recently increased to $75,000 for 12 acres)

http://www.bestranches.com.ar/ranches.html
  * 4500 acres with river, trouts, private natural sand beach in the ranch, cascades, streams for $1.4 million
  * 18,000 acres with river for $690,000!


The worst that can happen is we gain residency in this signatory nation and a travel document as stateless persons. Well a stateless person is thus a sovereign person. Thus goal achieved. We can then travel freely back to our State's territory as "stateless persons".

The best that can happen is the signatory nation decides to honor our passports and issue us a travel document to go along with it. And that others in the world might see our success and emulate it.

We should be prepared that the powers-that-be would attempt to crush us by any means possible, because this would be a direct threat to their NWO plans. Or would it? Hmmm. The majority of the people in the world are sheep. They are not going to opt for sovereignty. The powers-that-be have nothing to fear from us. Rather if they attack us, they can create sympathy for us and stir an awakening amongst the masses that they don't want. In other words, we should follow the passive, non-violent approach to attaining freedom a la Gandhi.

In the worst case, we end up with ownership of the State's territory (we can subdivide with individual titles). We get rid of our onerous Western citizenship which in the coming years will be insane expropriation albatross around the neck of every westerner with networth, a business, or income. We carry at least a stateless person's travel document. We probably do destroy our chances of being accepted for purchasing citizenship in an economic citizenship program such as Dominica, but could probably attain citizenship in the signatory country where we are physically present over some years of residency.

Downsides include the very high likelihood that the "Western" (Europeanized) countries in green in the map in the webpage linked below will surely not grant us tourist visas.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11770294/Mapped-How-the-world-is-tackling-human-trafficking.html
http://www.nestmann.com/former-u-s-citizens-face-discrimination-returning-usa

An example of an interesting island to consider is:

http://www.privateislandsonline.com/islands/macuata-island

100 acres for $2.85 million, so that is $28,500 per acre. With 25 of us each investing $114,000, we'd each get roughly 4 acres (1.6 ha).

The reason to choose an island for attempting to establish sovereignty is because no citizens of the nation claiming jurisdiction can claim that we violate their rights to passage or otherwise harm them with our assertion of our rights on our purchased property. The citizens of the claiming nation have no justification to need to travel to our territory because it is private property. One of the reasons an island nation would strongly object to one of its island territories declaring sovereignty is because the 200-mile EEZ could hamper travel within the archipelago if many of the islands so declared their sovereignty.

Also the sovereignty motion would have a better chance of success if the State entered a treaty with the claiming nation respecting the sovereign conflicting sovereign claim of the claiming nation contingent on the claiming nation agreeing to honor the constitution of the State. In other words, an unresolved matter and state of mutually respecting truce. The treaty could include an agreement to pay a VAT tax on any rental and tourism revenue generated within the State's territory, so the claiming nation could save face and also revenue, but the treaty should ideally stipulate that in return the claiming nation would need to show that it spent the VAT on projects which benefited the State such as telecommunications and transportation infrastructure to the State's island. I assume many of the citizens our our micronation would be Knowledge Age workers or have foreign investments and thus wouldn't be subjected to such a VAT any way. Also the treaty could grant our citizens the option to obtain passports from the claiming nation.

In this negotiated way, I think it may be possible to attain some semblence of sovereignty in this mad world:

http://www.worldislandinfo.com/Starting%20island%20country.html


It seems the key ingredient is making it more politically and practically painful for the claiming nation to subjugate your State's sovereignty than it is for them to accept a deal that grants them most of the power they had.

The powers-that-be want to control the physical economy. They probably also want to control the Knowledge Age economy, and they think they can by controlling the information highway leading in and out of any physical territory. Thus I doubt they are that concerned about some libertarian nutcases who want to have some sort of pseudo-sovereignty which doesn't really challenge their globalization rules significantly.

I voted "Yes to both".

I posted at the reddit thread (note I recently learned that the owner of Bitcointalk.org theymos is also the owner of reddit):

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3f5jcs/martin_armstrong_again_shows_thorough_lack_of/cto7est