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6121  Economy / Economics / Re: rpietila public diary -- Episode II on: December 03, 2013, 01:11:48 PM
Other than that, I could try to refer you to some locals, but I can't vouch that someone will remain honest when tempted. And the problem is the low economy-of-scale for you. Filipinos tend to be very caring but territorial first to self, then family, then tribe. Not all of course, but this is the serious friction you would encounter on the ground in real life.

This is the solution, not the problem. It allocates the resources most effectively:
- The affected receive bitcoins directly to them just hours after the crisis, from private donors. P2P
- The material relief takes longer, but if it is allowed to go to the areas and sold at market price, all will be fine before a week has passed.
6122  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: December 03, 2013, 01:02:48 PM
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Everyone has their price

Hehehe, i think you underestimate the new breed coming through .. this is about money but is NOT about THE money.

Hehe, who would accept fiat in exchange for delivery of silver. If they don't have BTC or silver, they better have gold. Lots of it  Grin
6123  Economy / Economics / Re: rpietila public diary -- Episode II on: December 03, 2013, 11:50:42 AM
Charity is a flawed concept. In most cases it resembles government.

Everything is better organized by open market. The current system of socialism greatly aggravates suffering in crisis situations, because the incentives are twisted exactly to the opposite than what they should be:

For example, in times of crisis, businesses may have to give away their emergency supplies to the government, or to sell at rationed prices. Hoarding is discouraged, you may even lose your life if you try to defend your property. Yet, these businesses and hoarders would be in the very position to make the whole "crisis" a non-issue if only they would be let to operate normally and property not touched.

Because private preparation for crisis is discouraged under the laws that "it will be confiscated anyway", government has everyone at their mercy considering the most vulnerable supplies. Well planned. Hope as few of you as possible burn in hell.
6124  Economy / Economics / Re: rpietila public diary -- Episode II on: December 03, 2013, 10:49:03 AM
That makes me sad, she just wants to help  Sad
6125  Economy / Economics / Re: Distribution of bitcoin wealth by owner on: December 03, 2013, 10:45:10 AM
December update for the table shows that 0.3 million BTC are distributed from the holders of BTC100 or more, to those having less. Also there is a great increase in the number of bitcoin users. Prior mistakes are corrected.

3. Dec 2013

#People#Bitcoins#TotalBitcoins
47BTC10k+3.5M
880BTC1k-10k2.6M
10kBTC100-1k3.0M
63kBTC10-1001.8M
210kBTC1-100.6M
350kBTC0.1-10.1M
350kBTC0.01-0.10.0M
210kBTC0.001-0.010.0M

Total: 11.6M bitcoins

1,200,000 people own bitcoins that are valued at more than $1 (BTC0.001 or more)
280,000 people own bitcoins that are valued at more than $1,000 (BTC1 or more), up from 120,000 last month
930 people own bitcoin that are valued at more than $1 million (BTC1,000 or more)
1 person owns bitcoins that are valued at more than $1 billion (Satoshi, estimated to be BTC980,000)

Changes from previous month:
- Bitcoin total number adjusted to account for increase in money supply
- Thoroughly re-engineered the number of bitcoin users from original data of the userbases of several services + blockchain usage. This shows that the last month estimate was probably too small, and perhaps 50% of the growth in number of users can be attributed to correction of a previous underestimate.
- Corrected the highest bracket a little bit (BTC0.6M Smiley ) upwards because it was over-corrected downwards last time. Number of holders in this category went down a little but we have better estimate of the holdings. As this is a base case model, we do not assume large, completely anonymous entities without at least circumstantial evidence of their holdings.
- Number of people in each bracket behaves according to binomial distribution as found in another data with the parameters: total=1.2 million users, highest bracket=fixed, #of_coins=fixed.

As a result:
- Bracket 1,000-10,000 saw the greatest loss -20%, bracket 100-1,000 lost 10%. Sub-BTC10 holdings gained a lot.
6126  Economy / Economics / Re: Please Read!! Help Stop This Madness. on: December 03, 2013, 10:01:15 AM
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My biggest piece of evidence: I have established an online wallet and provided the address to whole economics department and information on how to check it.

Why don't you point the "biggest piece of evidence" to a charity address or well known bitcoin organisation donation address, instead of your own?

There are already about 1000 people with bitcoin holdings of over $1 million. We are the biggest piece of evidence. Month ago the number was barely 150.
6127  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 03, 2013, 08:55:34 AM
We could not take it down any more (-30% was not enough). I think that the odds for an immediate crash have greatly diminished.

Now it is sideways from here, or up (with the possibility of crash from higher levels).

Turned bull. Ugh.
Have you been trying to induce a crash?

Well, induce is a strong word. I was just - umm - thinking that it would be good for Bitcoin to have a smaller crash from lower levels, compared to a deep one from high. In addition my own position was aligned to profit a little. Then the time seemed right, and indeed there was some action. I could several times sell at the local top and buy back at near bottom. Not to profit on anyone's expense, of course! Far be that from me.  Shocked  Everyone benefits when the bubble is pricked every so often. "Prick", how did that come to my mind. Ahem...  Embarrassed The operation wishful and feeling-based daytrading ended up making a small gain only, since the buyback target was not reached, it was only a swing here and there and mainly everything was hedged from China anyway since they did not crash much at all. In another thread I said that I made only BTC15, but that is probably a gross understatement like almost everything I say. Mommy told that you should not disclose your true wealth and power (funny to say that to a 5-year old). I have sticked to the advice, although it constantly angers me that teenagers piss on my shoes. When I was a teenager, everyone else in BBS's was max 20 also, so it was more equal. One guy had 18" loudspeakers, he was my idol. But he was 28 and prolly had a job.

EDIT: Or a rich dad. I never asked. Those days we had a respect towards wealthy people. Or maybe I was just shy to approach him...
6128  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I am pretty confident we are the new wealthy elite, gentlemen. on: December 03, 2013, 08:10:53 AM
As would be appropriate, it looks like this thread has gained notoriety:

http://www.cafepress.com/mf/77134713/bitcoin_bumper-sticker?productId=810966879

Sweet...!

Cool, but I think the "pretty confident" is an important part of this thread... (as opposed to "confident")

I'm pretty confident!

I am confident and my wife is pretty.
6129  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: December 03, 2013, 08:09:03 AM
If a large fraction of BTC users will start to corner physical silver like they now corner altcoins, there will be a real short squeeze. The investment silver net flow is like +100Moz/year and cannot be increased by increasing the price. It is about the same as BTC net increase (mining) this year.

Wohoo! BTC is as big as silver. But the squeeze in silver is coming, my mentors have explained that.

yeah, it would be great if a bunch of silver lovers like me, were able to just keep stacking physical until they have to cover Smiley

im in no hurry for that, and really hope the price of silver stays low for the next 5 years at least.

i want to keep stacking Smiley

This is getting interesting. Hopefully they have a plan B for a large cash purchaser of physical silver. Otherwise there'll be fun in the exchanges  Cheesy
6130  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 03, 2013, 07:50:30 AM
We could not take it down any more (-30% was not enough). I think that the odds for an immediate crash have greatly diminished.

Now it is sideways from here, or up (with the possibility of crash from higher levels).

Turned bull. Ugh.
6131  Economy / Economics / Re: rpietila public diary -- Episode II on: December 03, 2013, 07:18:19 AM
Just a quick note: My wife wanted to send some relief to Philippines disaster victims. It happened that the mediating organization is based in the U.S. and therefore accept USD in a U.S. bank. For some weird reason, international wires that used to be a standard in online bank (at a $37-$74 fee of course but still) have recently been disabled so that you need to go to the branch office to physically fill in the papers. Last time I had to do this was when I bought some bitcoins from Goat, it took about 3 hours total. Luckily we don't live in the rural areas - even 100km distance from here (heart of the capital of Finland) it may be that your nearest bank is 30km away.

After the money is sent, it will take an equally time-consuming journey to Philippines, and lose its value in fees, conversions and even inflation. Meanwhile the long delays make sure that the disaster victims have to suffer before the aid reaches them.

I hereby declare that I will not donate anything in other currency than Bitcoin anymore. I will not trust my money to anyone who does not understand Bitcoin, except when his life is in immediate danger.

This is in addition to the refusal to use anything except Bitcoin in internet purchases.
6132  Economy / Speculation / Re: Rally from $500 happened on very low volume, crash looming? on: December 03, 2013, 07:05:58 AM
Data used: Bitstamp's hourly volume weighted average historical trades Nov 1, 00:00 - Nov 30, 09:00.

Total volume during that period: BTC953,782.

During November, 59% of the trades (by BTC volume) happened at prices lower than $500. Conversely, only 9% happened on $900 or higher. The average price for all trades was $517.

Followed this and read through much of the thread, with all the usual derision coming from the perma-bulls whose opinions are based on nothing more than wish fulfilment.

It seems that just one day later, your prediction has come to light. Perhaps not a mega-crash, but certainly a brutal correction that nobody wants to be standing on the wrong side off.

Interesting to see a forecast on these pages based on actual numbers and trends, as opposed to fantasies of avarice or sour grapes of having missed the boat. Where is there public access to those figures that you have posted?

Buy and hold strategy does not lend itself to "standing on the wrong side of a brutal correction."

Rptelia got this correction correct. Hats off to him. It was a unique one, a trickle that turned into a stream. Lot of nerves and selling pressure coupled with no new money on the weekend. I'll be the first to say that this might have follow through, although I'll be surprised if we go below 5000 CYN and 700-750 on Gox.

Does it feel like doom and gloom to you?  All I see is good news in the media (one of the #1 reasons have been such a bull) and less and less panic in the streets when the market goes down. In fact, people seemed to watch today with amusement instead of fear.

That being said, there seems to be a lack of confidence at these altitudes and maybe bitcoin has run it's course in this rally.

Or maybe we will be back near the top in a day or two.

I have to say that I don't know where the exchange rate is going. Every day above $1,000 strengthens that as a new base, and:

1. We might have a period of relative stability for days, weeks or even many weeks (see 2010: fast runups followed by plateaus).

2. We can also go overdrive, followed by the real crash.

3. If we go south from here, there seems to be a lot of support and $500 can only be achieved by not letting buy orders in while enabling sell orders (an insidious trick from Mt.Gox in April 12). Not breaking the weekend low ($800) is a sign on confidence, otoh breaking it can lead to flashcrash towards $700 but hardly lower since the exchanges are full of fiat.

This is different than a blowoff top scenario (numbered #2 above), where price rises faster than new fiat can be pumped in to the exchanges and when the crash comes, all fiat in the exchanges belongs to the sellers who are unwilling to buy except at much lowered prices.

Can't give any percentages right now  Undecided

All figures can be downloaded from Bitcoincharts.


so, have you sold some BTC, rpietilla?

During the flashcrash, I net increased my BTC position by about 80,000mBTC. Still well prepared to any scenario. (Is there anyone else that handles position management professionally/systematically (as opposed to feeling-based)?)

Also I increased my total position by abt 15,000mBTC, learning how to arbitrage. I am getting better at it. Roni is having a work trip in China/Thailand so I handle the desk myself. Now I am also in the position to buy/sell large amounts internationally with hefty commissions to those who do not trust or cannot use exchanges. Customer sends first. $50k/BTC50 min.
6133  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: December 03, 2013, 06:35:35 AM
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all i see is someone continually buying silver dips only to be handed a bloody knife.

That was the strategy I used to acquire every BTC I own.  Worked for me.

If a large fraction of BTC users will start to corner physical silver like they now corner altcoins, there will be a real short squeeze. The investment silver net flow is like +100Moz/year and cannot be increased by increasing the price. It is about the same as BTC net increase (mining) this year.

Wohoo! BTC is as big as silver. But the squeeze in silver is coming, my mentors have explained that.
6134  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 01, 2013, 08:26:47 PM
Now THIS is fun.  Grin
6135  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 01, 2013, 07:31:10 PM
Walls observed.
6136  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 01, 2013, 07:05:15 PM
Bitstamp <900
6137  Economy / Economics / Re: Largest Ever Bitcoin Donation on: December 01, 2013, 06:09:00 PM
What is the "time of donation"? It was promised when bitcoins were $10.

Time when it was sent.

OK, perhaps I tell more later.
6138  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 01, 2013, 05:49:38 PM
China is bleeding.

Is that you in the picture?

Yes.

Bitstamp is bleeding.
6139  Economy / Economics / Re: Largest Ever Bitcoin Donation on: December 01, 2013, 05:48:38 PM
If that is BTC1,000, I have knowledge of larger ones.

This might not be the largest donation in bitcoins but it's probably the largest donation in BTC priced in USD at the time of the donation.

What is the "time of donation"? It was promised when bitcoins were $10.
6140  Economy / Economics / Re: Largest Ever Bitcoin Donation on: December 01, 2013, 05:37:12 PM

 Bitcoin Entrepreneur Roger Ver Makes Largest Ever Bitcoin Donation of $1m http://t.co/Rtsn8zMYlK

If that is BTC1,000, I have knowledge of larger ones.

No intention to discredit this, of course  Smiley
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