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6141  Other / Off-topic / Re: Human Evolution on: July 01, 2012, 09:14:43 PM
I might add that paleontology gave the best explaination THAT South Afrtica and SOuth america once were connected Wink

Sure noone should never say never.. but as of now i have not seen anything useful coming from genetics aside of a-dna stuff for the past 20k years.. extend that timeframe and genetics become more and more useless and closer to esotherics.. Or to say it differently: How do you think you can extract genetic material from silicified wood or bones?
I was thinking more along the lines of endogenous viruses and their markers in junk DNA. As far as the Africa-South America connections, I learned about plate tectonics in grade school.
6142  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What's the best way to SAVE Bitcoin? on: July 01, 2012, 07:57:41 PM
Howabout a Bitcoin Pride Parade!
6143  Other / Off-topic / Re: Human Evolution on: July 01, 2012, 07:31:16 PM
The fossil record does not support the aquatic ape hypothesis.



The fossil record doesn't support most individual species, let alone one as recent as ours. We need to develop genetic sciences to look for patterns in evolution as well.

Oh please not! I have dealt all too often with "genetic sciences" in paleontology. Take the genetic clock as an example to know how NOT to do it...

About the fossil record: If the aquatic ape theory is right then there is of course no fossil record evidence for it since fossilisation is only hard to achieve at the shore.. Also we have a rule of thumb in paleontology: "Non existence as proof is not a proof for non existence". So a LACK of support through the fossil record is no falsification of the theory at all.
That's what they said about Africa *not* being connected to South America. You offer a 'rule of thumb' as an argumentum ad populum and I really doubt its veracity. No good scientist rules anything out, especially if there is good evidence for it. We need more Stephen J. Gould type scientists.
6144  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Stolen Valor Act Struck Down as Unconstitutional on: July 01, 2012, 02:51:04 PM
As a veteran of the American Civil War, I am outraged by this!
heh
6145  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Reverse psycology ad? on: July 01, 2012, 02:24:34 PM
Best commercial ad for btc should just list what btc can offer,  I think BTC is quite unique and more powerful than competition.
Truth in advertizing? What a novel concept!
6146  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Reverse psycology ad? on: July 01, 2012, 02:14:47 PM
I see what you mean by reverse psychology now. Let's declare a media war on BTC and say it is evil and will dominate the globe with darkness and despair for all eternity. We must make everyone aware that Bitcoin is Ebil and for everyone to know how to look out for it so it doesn't corrupt the children!
6147  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Who might realistically pose a threat to bitcoin? on: July 01, 2012, 02:09:54 PM
I worry about this but only because I've seen so many crazy natural disasters over my short lifetime and it's a real possibility.

If "The Big One" (a large earthquake) hits the West (or East?!) Coast of the Continental United States, we will lose a significant portion of the Bitcoin network all at once. We might also possibly lose a large portion of the brain talent that is invested in this protocol.

That brings difficulty down and more Bitcoin my way! j/k Of course I would donate much of my time and money to help the victims.

If 25% of the lead developers were to suddenly disappear, I'm worried that all of the drama and tension built up in this community over the last year or two might not be conducive to getting the core software development effort back on track. We have a stellar group of individuals hammering out code and we all trust them to make good decisions for the future of Bitcoin.
It's open source. There are plenty of "Anonymous" folks out there to keep it real.

We've got some of the largest wildfires in recorded history burning right now, we've had more "mini" earthquakes all over the country than I've ever heard of before, they are polluting a large percentage of our ground water supplies with environmentally questionable (toxic?) hydraulic fracturing techniques... It is not impossible that we could suffer some serious setbacks to our community effort from within just through attrition in the next few years or decades.

-p

There are always disasters. I don't see the connection with BTC or any other currency. I'm surprised you left out total global thermonuclear war, now that might affect the Bitcoin Network a bit.
6148  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Reverse psycology ad? on: July 01, 2012, 12:50:27 PM
I don't know if we need to use reverse psychology. Pure arrogance seems to get more attention in financial circles.
6149  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Will ASIC mining destroy Bitcoin? on: July 01, 2012, 12:27:26 PM
If a really big player desired to dominate Bitcoin, ASIC may be the way to go. FPGA would not be competetive enough because they are already in the wild. Placing large buy orders would be too obvious and drive the price too high. Instead, they would be developing the latest technology for mining. I wonder how they would do that secretly, so as to alert others to compete?

OTOH, if someone wanted BTC bad enough, they would pay a little extra for electricity and use whatever technology they could get their hands on. Bottom line, I don't think any major players are even looking at Bitcoin. Makes no sense.
6150  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Who might realistically pose a threat to bitcoin? on: July 01, 2012, 03:34:09 AM
A government would need a very good reason to attack the network. If they choose to attack for only reasons of fear, then other big countries would smell that fear and support BTC. Bitcoin is taking over. The first nation that flinches, loses.
6151  Other / Off-topic / Re: Human Evolution on: July 01, 2012, 02:23:54 AM
The fossil record does not support the aquatic ape hypothesis.



The fossil record doesn't support most individual species, let alone one as recent as ours. We need to develop genetic sciences to look for patterns in evolution as well.

That stuff is fascinating. The protein I study has been around for 2.1 billion years (since the first eukaryotes), we know this because it is present in yeast, plants, protozoa, animals, etc. Its original purpose seems to be stabilizing folds in cell membranes. If you trace back the history it looks like around 500 mya the gene got quadrupled in the early vertebrates, then around 450 mya, a transposon (like parasitic DNA) happened to cut out some of a sequence from a connective tissue gene and put it in the middle of this ones sequence. At the same time many other genes were also being mutated this way. Soon after this we see adaptive immune systems (antibodies, T-cells, etc) first appear, along with jaws, and increased brain size. Then an additional sequence got inserted at the beginning of one of the 4 copies sometime after primates split from rodents (100 mya). Now humans are trying to deactivate it in people with brain or spinal cord damage, since it stabilizes neural circuits...which is usually a good thing, but not so much in the context of brain damage. Nature didn't plan for a species to have the technology to keep alive so long after sustaining such injuries. So the theory is deactivation could kind of returns the brain to a younger, more plastic state thus allowing it to route around the damage.

The coolest part is you can double check all this yourself for free, or even do your own research, using BLAST.
Tracing retrotransposon signatures endogenous viruses to determine evolutionary migrations is gonna be a lot of work, but I think we will discover interesting anomalies in the tree of life. There is probably more morphological inference than direct evolutionary evidence in what we think are lineages. At the cellular level I'm hoping we do find such basic switches like your protein. I would like to be young for at least long enough to get off this rock and explore the galaxy. BTW, thanks for the link. I may learn more about this subject someday. The only knowledge I have is from a dinner conversation with one of the discoverers of viral retrotransposons endogenous viruses (which fascinated me), but Michael Newdow ended up dominating the conversation.
6152  Other / Off-topic / Re: Human Evolution on: June 30, 2012, 10:10:00 PM
The fossil record does not support the aquatic ape hypothesis.



The fossil record doesn't support most individual species, let alone one as recent as ours. We need to develop genetic sciences to look for patterns in evolution as well.
6153  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Who might realistically pose a threat to bitcoin? on: June 30, 2012, 02:58:53 PM
Bitcoin is an opportunity for the next Bilderberger/Rothchild wannabe to grab the brass ring. Someday the paranoids may be talking about the Vladimir/Matthew conspiracies.
6154  Other / Off-topic / Re: Human Evolution on: June 30, 2012, 02:01:04 PM
Aquatic Ape Hypothesis?

Damn, you're the first person I find that knows about that theory.
I used to mention it to my friends, but after doing it 4 or 5 times and "get the look" I stopped  Undecided

EDIT: And cbeast also knows it.

What I find particularly interesting in that theory is the explanation for why the human brain evolved so much.
It's amazing that there are a lot of brain and other physiological similarities we share with other aquatic mammals and birds. I just don't think that any apes were aquatic before our ancestors. The 98% DNA we share with Chimpanzee probably means that they probably also descended from an aquatic mammal, but adapted to forests instead of savannas and shorelines.

What similarities do we share with birds? Their brains are structured completely differently from ours (although I guess there are similar circuits if I remember correctly), and their bodies... well they have wings and beaks, etc.

And to OP: It takes energy to grow hair, if it offered no advantage (wearing clothing, living indoors) it would slowly be selected out. Young mammals are mostly (all?) born hairless, so this would not even be a difficult mutation, just turn on/off some genes in skin cells to make the hair thinner in response to the same growth factors that make arms, arms and legs, legs, etc. It may have even been advantageous to go without body hair in the context of wearing animal skins as clothes since you could choose to radiate excess heat better when beneficial.

Also this made me think you would like this book: http://www.amazon.com/Origin-Consciousness-Breakdown-Bicameral-Mind/dp/0618057072

It's not so much scientific as a really interesting narrative.

edit:
Other advantages of reduced body hair:
1) Less insect infestation
2) Less time/energy spent grooming (related to 1)
3) More sensitive to tactile stimuli in areas you have thinner, less curly hair (insects again)
4) Makes it easier for humans to assess the sex of one another
I first read Julian Jaynes work in the early eighties. It changed the way I think about brain evolution, development, intelligence, and communication. Elaine Morgan's work on AAH disrupts the over simplified Monkey's Uncle Hypothesis. There are still a lot of question about human evolution that are unanswered and some have even more controversial hypotheses. There is still a lot of science to do before we get cake.
6155  Other / Off-topic / Re: Human Evolution on: June 30, 2012, 02:56:43 AM
Aquatic Ape Hypothesis?

Damn, you're the first person I find that knows about that theory.
I used to mention it to my friends, but after doing it 4 or 5 times and "get the look" I stopped  Undecided

EDIT: And cbeast also knows it.

What I find particularly interesting in that theory is the explanation for why the human brain evolved so much.
It's amazing that there are a lot of brain and other physiological similarities we share with other aquatic mammals and birds. I just don't think that any apes were aquatic before our ancestors. The 98% DNA we share with Chimpanzee probably means that they probably also descended from an aquatic mammal, but adapted to forests instead of savannas and shorelines.
6156  Other / Off-topic / Re: Human Evolution on: June 30, 2012, 01:46:10 AM
Aquatic Ape Hypothesis?

Lol huh?  Haven't heard that one.
I think it's sort of true, but more related to the period when Africa was isolated. Many mammals evolved into aquatic animals. Humans probably evolved from a formerly aquatic mammal that moved back inland. These traits returned quickly while migrating along the coasts and island hopping. Being semi-aquatic allows us to escape many predators. The Aquatic Ape theory is great, but probly incomplete because they are not looking back far enough for the original evolutionary ancestors. Finding human fossils without these traits would be more difficult because there was a smaller evolutionary window to return the traits.
6157  Other / Off-topic / Re: Human Evolution on: June 30, 2012, 01:29:06 AM
Early manscaping led to too many infected abrasions. Man evolved the hair patterns he has to look good in leather. Women have less body hair because early waxing had too many bee stings.
6158  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] Buried Keys on: June 30, 2012, 12:45:45 AM
The answers may be a little tricky, but they make sense. They are spelled as they appear in KJV 1611

Just tried using a KJV 1611 word search and it's not showing me where you got the questions from. I only had a chance looking at other versions. You shouldn't have to hold a doctorate in theology or discuss this amongst your group at a monastery or convent...
The rules don't say that that the questions must come from KJV 1611, only the answers do. Search engines probably won't help much, but a doctorate in theology might. There are other puzzles on the website that are not bible related. I hope to have more in the near future as the site develops. Thanks for playing!
6159  Economy / Economics / Re: Gas Prices Falling in the US on: June 29, 2012, 10:20:58 PM
Are you kidding about the gas price being low? It does fluctuate. This is traveling season and if the price stays too high, people won't travel and businesses will fail. If businesses fail, then people won't be buying fuel. We've already seen a drop in fuel consumption over the last decade. The people profiteering off the war-based energy markets we have now are smart enough not to purposely kill the economy. This is the time of year they spend their 'hard earned' profits to vacation and give the slaves a short respite before they tighten up the bit again.
6160  Economy / Economics / Re: Gas Prices Falling in the US on: June 29, 2012, 12:42:50 PM
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