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6161  Economy / Economics / Re: Another Segregated Funds Scandle on: July 13, 2012, 11:23:13 PM
But what happens when the corn farmer buys the sell side of a contract, then there is a huge drought and his crop fails.  Not only does he have no crop, he has buy the other side of his contract after the market price has skyrocketed.  He is now royally fucked.
That sounds like great business opportunity. You should get raise some capital and offer to protect farmers against this very thing. You can charge them a small amount of money periodically based on the risk of drought in their area and pay them a lump sum if they lose an entire crop. As long as you diversify your own risk by making it unlikely that every farmer you protect will get hit with a drought all at the same time it should work.

Too bad nobody is doing this yet.
6162  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2012-07-12 forbes.com - Kim Dotcom's Pretrial Legal Funds Would Be Safe With Bit on: July 13, 2012, 11:10:41 PM
Yes it will  but only as a result of a significant rise in the BTC price. In fact any significant increase in the use of Bitcoin as a payment method will result, by itself, in a substantial increase in the BTC price with no speculation involved. One needs to consider the size of the float in BTC needed between the customers of the business, the suppliers of the business and the business it self. We are not even considering that any of the players involved will keep some funds in BTC simply for convenience to avoid exchange fees and spreads.
You're ignoring the velocity component of MV=PQ.

Suppose Megaupload customers are using Bitinstant to buy bitcoins and Megaupload is using Bit-Pay to instantly convert them to USD. The payment could conceivably spend less than an hour as bitcoins before being recycled into other transactions. Depending on the specific values of V and Q involved a massive increase in bitcoin use as a payment system could initially reduce the exchange rate instead of increasing it.
6163  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin vs. the Banks on: July 13, 2012, 10:13:15 PM
People who ascribe magical properties to gold would be better served by a more standard religion.
6164  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Why support Tor Hidden Services on: July 13, 2012, 09:52:58 PM
I totally get that.  i was asking more philosophical question.  Probably something for Version 0.9 or 1.0.   Look we all know that sooner or later Bitcoin will be blocked by some country or isp, somewhere in the world.  Right now my ISP knows i run Bitcoin, if they are inspecting packets at all, which in many privacy dead societies they do just that.  Alls i'm saying is isn't it easy to block the traffic then?  And thus shouldn't the basic client, regardless of how it discovers peers, mask the traffic to look like bittorrent or tor?  In bittorrent there is a feature to encrypt all packets, which supposedly helps evade throttling.
If you're worried about your ISP knowing you run Bitcoin then operate your node as a Tor hidden service.

If you're worried about Tor being blocked then combine your efforts with all the other people who are working on making Tor harder to block in order to have maximum effectiveness.
6165  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: A public plea for help regarding Bitcoinica and my 24,841 BTC on: July 13, 2012, 09:48:51 PM
Can we stop blaming those who invested due to promises made by bitcoinica ie. interest rates, safe holdings etc.

Its getting rediculous the constant blame on the clients and pointing out that they gambled and knew they could lose the earnings. In hindsight it allways looks like a bad decision but these bad decisions is not the fault of the client but only that of those who handled the client's money.

Guess what, no one would knowingly deposit their funds if they have any idea intially that its a gamble and they may/may not get their funds back so please stop fucking pressing the issue onto the clients ie. memorydealer in this case.
Are you familiar with the concept of root cause analysis?

It's a technique of examining mistakes in order to learn how to prevent them in the future. It's also a way that one can learn from the mistakes of others without needing to experience the mistake directly.

If one avoids examining all causes of a mistake because considering internal causes is called, "blaming the victim" the effectiveness of the technique is greatly reduced.
6166  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Why support Tor Hidden Services on: July 13, 2012, 09:38:18 PM
Its a serious question though: should bitcoin be further anonymized (anonymity hardening?).
Yes, but the focus should be on bitcoin transactions themselves, not the network communication. Tor is already working on anonymized network communications so the best division of labor is to use Tor to protect the network communications and let the Bitcoin developers focus on Bitcoin-specific problems.
6167  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2012-07-12 forbes.com - Kim Dotcom's Pretrial Legal Funds Would Be Safe With Bit on: July 13, 2012, 09:11:49 PM
That's pretty much my point. You can't tell easily what size/type of business can 'fit' in bitcoin now and you can't tell the effect.
Any size revenue stream can "fit" into bitcoin, if you're using it as a payment system for real products and services.

It's different if you're talking about using it for speculation but I don't care about speculation anyway. In the long term a currency's value only comes from its use as a medium of exchange.
6168  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: A public plea for help regarding Bitcoinica and my 24,841 BTC on: July 13, 2012, 08:40:22 PM
I was attracted by the high interest rates and the money I thought I could earn by depositing bitcoins with them.
I never made a single trade on Bitcoinica.
I simply held a balance and collected interest.
So you were gambling.

Is there no one left in the world that understands economics and compound interest any more? Getting paid high interest rates on investments indicates high risk, including the risk that the entire scheme is a fraud

Betting on mathematically-impossible returns on financial instruments will always end in tears.
6169  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Bitcoins and Asset Protection on: July 13, 2012, 08:20:26 PM
But if you were Kim Dotcomm or Warren Buffet and wanted to move even a few million into BTC for asset protection, what's the easiest way to do that?
The easiest way is to operate a profitable bitcoin-accepting business and keep the profits as bitcoins.
6170  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Deterministic wallets in the reference client on: July 13, 2012, 07:18:38 AM
You could give each customer a new subnode so that the customer can create an unlimited number of addresses for their payments as you suggest yes. You would probably want them to produce addresses (roughly) in order to make your monitoring of the incoming transactions easier.
The recipient would know that all the addresses which send bitcoins to the subnode belong to the same person but an outside observer would not, so anonymity would be improved.
6171  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Poll - What is your ultimate expectation for bitcoin? on: July 13, 2012, 03:51:56 AM
I shut off my miners today (6 Ghash/s) even as the price increases because I don’t trust it anymore. Too many problems for too long.
That doesn't follow. If you don't trust Bitcoins convert them to some other currency as quickly as possible.
6172  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BITCOIN MAGAZINE ARRIVED! on: July 13, 2012, 03:23:08 AM
Got mine today.
6173  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Deterministic wallets in the reference client on: July 13, 2012, 02:52:46 AM
I have a question related to BIP 32.
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Deterministic wallets do not require such frequent backups, and elliptic curve mathematics permit schemes where one can calculate the public keys without revealing the private keys.
Could a webserver use this to give a customer an arbitrary number of payment addresses?

Suppose I want to spend BTC10 but no address in my wallet has enough. If I create a single transaction with multiple inputs this will reduce my anonymity. But what if the web server instead gives me a set of parameters to generate as many payment addresses as I need to make sure each transaction (randomly spaced within an X minute interval) has only one input?

The current best practice is to use many different receiving addresses, ideally a different one for each received payment. Perhaps when we exchange payment information what we should be doing instead is giving out unique parameters for generating addresses instead of the addresses themselves.
6174  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin vs. the Banks on: July 13, 2012, 01:39:23 AM
Bitcoin is freedom.  No need to try and prohibit IOU which are partially backed by BTC.  Let the market decide but YOU (and me) have the ability to choose.
I never suggested IOUs should be prohibited. It's not accurate to say that credit bubbles won't happen in bitcoin though. They will happen but they won't be as severe.
6175  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2012-07-12 forbes.com - Kim Dotcom's Pretrial Legal Funds Would Be Safe With Bit on: July 13, 2012, 12:21:01 AM
Not really, it's totally different things. It could be that there is currently one untaken offer to buy 1BTC for $7.20 and no others whatsoever, or there could be an incredible depth above $7, both would show the same "market cap" but it would be very safe to hold coins in the latter situation.
You can't predict the effect this would have on the market based on current depth because their entry into the Bitcoin economy would change that depth. If a business the size of Megaupload started using Bitcoin a lot of people who don't have bitcoins now would need to buy them. A the same time Megaupload would need to sell bitcoins to pay its fiat expenses (either itself or through a service like Bit-Pay).

Depending on other factors this could either increase or decrease the exchange rate but that doesn't matter. More Bitcoin commerce is better regardless of what effect it has on the exchange rate.
6176  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2012-07-12 forbes.com - Kim Dotcom's Pretrial Legal Funds Would Be Safe With Bit on: July 12, 2012, 11:23:23 PM
There is one small detail. The article mentions:
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... The U.S. Department of Justice has already seized $67 million. ...
and the market cap of bitcoin is just under $70 million. For bitcoin to work in Kim Dotcom's case one needs a bitcoin market cap more in the range of say USD 70 billion and a corresponding price for 1 BTC of say USD 7200 at least.

How do you come to these random figures?

A market cap of $67million can be converted unlimited times across this market cap if the BTC gets sold for USD and bought and sold and bought. As long buyers continue to buy he would be able to continue to convert to fiat which is obviously the goal for him after receiving BTC.
Exactly.

MV=PQ
6177  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin vs. the Banks on: July 12, 2012, 11:19:47 PM
Let's say you lend me 100 USD, and I give an IOU in return. Have we created new USD? No. Theres still 100 USD (and an IOU which is NOT USD).
Then I can re-lend, or spend the 100 (actual) USD -  and you can, maybe sell my IOU to someone for, say 90 (real) USD (assuming a 90% probability that I'll hounor my debt to the holder of the IOU). Have we now created any USD? No. There is still only the original USD plus an IOU in circulation, and that IOU looks nothing like a 100 USD bill.
It is true the IOU is not USD, however if merchants start treating IOUs as fungible with USD then an increase in the IOU supply increases the total money supply just like a increase the USD supply.

When you swipe a Visa at the grocery store the merchant doesn't differentiate between credit created by your bank and "cash".

If in the future bitcoin merchants start accepting fractionally reserved bitcoins then it will result in a similar situation. The only difference is that with Bitcoin nobody has the ability to offer unlimited bailouts to cover unbacked credit.
6178  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Poll - What is your ultimate expectation for bitcoin? on: July 12, 2012, 10:09:19 AM
Credit and fiat currency will still be needed to support various social programs (gov't backed).
That's an assumption which may or may not hold up. Historically after countries reach peak government the social programs don't tend to last very long.

Not a difficult prediction to make because it's mathematically impossible for those programs to continue.
6179  Other / Meta / Re: [Feature added] Color besides usernames for Ignored by % of established members. on: July 08, 2012, 12:31:47 AM
Actually, it's worse, because there are no positive votes and people who are calm tend to not use it as much, since there's really little point in not seeing certain posts.
To my knowledge reputation systems for online forums are not a solved problem, due to the reasons you listed.

I wonder if they would work better if they didn't rely on manual positive votes. There are probably a lot of other metrics that could be used, like how frequently people with a high reputation reply to a user's posts, how often people click on thread they started, how much time they spend looking at the user's posts, etc.
6180  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Pauls' New Crusade: "Internet Freedom" - A Campaign for Liberty Manifesto on: July 05, 2012, 09:53:06 PM
I would agree with them if they'd recognize that limited liability and IP laws are types of subsidies that should be abolished along with the other forms that they normally oppose.
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