OgNasty, those investments had only went down in value regarding of the BTC usd price. The poit you fail to understand is that if you invested 10 BTC when BTC was $1000 and even if BTC went down to $1, offcourse you are not happy
OK, so you aren't happy regardless of what happens unless you see gains in both USD and BTC. OK, I got it now. ... You know very well this is not what I'm saying. It's about the investment part, not the BTC usd price. If you are so addicted to the usd part of the investment look at it this way: if you don't invest you have one chance to gain usd from a rising BTC and one chance to loose from a falling BTC but if you had invested you have to chances of loosing usd one from the falling value of the investment and one from the falling price of usd (if BTC rise in value you would be better not to invest anyway). I really hope you understand now what I say and don't twist my words so you can be right about this. -edit- Please don't take phrases out of the context, that is what reporters do to get "sensational news" for the public. -edit- |
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As of June 25th we are no longer allowing users to change their e-mail addresses under their PB Mining profile. The e-mail address you register with is now intended to be a permanent link to your account.
We apologize if this is an inconvenience to users who try to sell their accounts, and we have done our best to cater to everyone's wishes. However it has caused more frustration than it's worth for everybody.
This is also a reminder to make sure your PB Mining password is different than your e-mail password. For someone to change the payout address under your account, they would need access to both your PB Mining account AND your e-mail address. For this reason, the passwords should be completely different. You can change your password under "Your Profile" settings.
This is not right. The users who purchased until now have done that knowingly that they could change their email address. You can't jut force this upon a 5 year contract that was bought under different terms. Maybe someone has a payd email service and doesn't want to renew it, or has it's address on his own domain and he doesn't wish to prolonge it no more. There are more reasons beside selling the account. It's wrong to change the terms on a contract that someone has no way out of it. We will manage it on a case by case basis. A user will have to provide valid reasons and possibly further verification before the change would be made. Also, the option to change the e-mail address was never an option in the first place. People have always made special requests for it, about half of them being attacks on hacked e-mail accounts. Well, in this case, I think it's fair. -edit- and i support the change (I am a customer). -edit- |
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OgNasty, those investments had only went down in value regarding of the BTC usd price. The poit you fail to understand is that if you invested 10 BTC when BTC was $1000 and even if BTC went down to $1, of course you are not happy because now you have 20BTC if this is how much your investment brought to you, but are you happy having 1 BTC or less (wich is the reality of BTC investments in general, not only on Havelock)? The question remains legit: why do you invest?
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It depends on the person. If you ask when the majority of people will feel confortable using BTC I think it would be after a very long time, surely not in our life time, maybe never.
The vast majority of people don't understand money, how they came to be and what they represent... how do you aspect them to understand the benefits of using BTC as a currency?
I think it is matter of time. Take a credit card as example. The Charga-Plate, developed in 1928, was an early predecessor to the credit card and used in the U.S. from the 1930s to the late 1950s. Until 1958, no one had a stable revolving credit financial system by a third-party bank; that was generally accepted by a large number of merchants, as opposed to merchant-issued revolving cards accepted by only a few merchants. Only in 1958, Bank of America launched the BankAmericard in Fresno, California and became the first successful recognizably modern credit card. So, it took 30 years... You are confuseing things. A credit card is not a new currency, it just provide the means to spend existing currency: the dollar. This is a different thing, I different ideology that many of my friends have a hard time understanding. Make an experiment: try to explain to a poor uneducated man what bitcoin is and you might be amaized of what he understand. |
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As of June 25th we are no longer allowing users to change their e-mail addresses under their PB Mining profile. The e-mail address you register with is now intended to be a permanent link to your account.
We apologize if this is an inconvenience to users who try to sell their accounts, and we have done our best to cater to everyone's wishes. However it has caused more frustration than it's worth for everybody.
This is also a reminder to make sure your PB Mining password is different than your e-mail password. For someone to change the payout address under your account, they would need access to both your PB Mining account AND your e-mail address. For this reason, the passwords should be completely different. You can change your password under "Your Profile" settings.
This is not right. The users who purchased until now have done that knowingly that they could change their email address. You can't jut force this upon a 5 year contract that was bought under different terms. Maybe someone has a payd email service and doesn't want to renew it, or has it's address on his own domain and he doesn't wish to prolonge it no more. There are more reasons beside selling the account. It's wrong to change the terms on a contract that someone has no way out of it. |
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Valuing these offerings over time in BTC is idiotic... Valuing 99.9% of the things on this planet in BTC over time will result in them looking like they have lost a ton of value when in fact they have not... There is a reason that while Bitcoin is accepted as a means of exchange, things are still priced in USD. By your account, buying a home, stocks, gold, dollars, etc, would have all been horrible "investments" due to their lack of performance against Bitcoin. I really wish idiots that didn't understand simple accounting would stop pretending to be intelligent investors and accept that they are shills hiding behind a veil of idiocy to further an agenda.
Using your line of thinking, any IPO that happened around the $1,000/BTC mark should look like an amazing investment now, even if all they did was take your BTC and hold it in USD. Obviously only an idiot would think that an entity actually gained value with that course of action.
You ask why people invest... Let me answer that for you as I have decades of experience providing analysis to investors... Every investor I have met up until this point in my life would answer that question the same. People invest to make dollars. Now, stop pretending to be an idiot and go take the time to do the actual numbers including the average prices paid at the exchange rates during the time if you want to provide numbers with any kind of meaning behind them. Otherwise, congratulations on a good troll. It seems with your centralized exchange dying a slow painful manipulated death, you are upset to the point where you are just lashing out. Given your legal circumstances and lack of maturity, I can understand your position and look forward to watching the continued deterioration of your mental state.
OgNasty I mostly agree with you in many of your posts but here you are wrong. A securitie issued in BTC for a mining company has nothing to do with BTC/usd price, absolutely nothing. If you invest 10 BTC when the price for 1 BTC is $600 and you end up with 6 BTC but now the price of 1 BTC is $1100 by your sayings it was a successful investment but I can assure you it was not and in fact you lost 40% of your original amount by the fact that you invested those 10 BTC. -edit- Also you say about a company has no value because: "all they did was take your BTC and hold it in USD". You are wrong again and here is why: A company that know when to convert BTC to usd and usd to BTC would be one of the most profitable companyes of our time giving the volatility of the market and would make extremely huge profits for investors if such a company should exist. -edit- |
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Always use escrow. This smels like scam. Beware!
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Newbie with Activity: 1. What else is to say?
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Hello, Not sure if there will be someone who will give you his money and let you gamble with it  This just doesent make any sense, and especially when you say no refund, cannot believe it. Is there still people who will give their money to someone to gamble with it. Probably you are an addicted gambler looking for fast cash to gamble. No offense. BR Beggers have no pride so he can't take offense in this. Not to speak about degenerate gamblers that are trying to scam people on forums, why on earth would be offended for??? |
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OP, If you would be at least winning gambler you wouldn't ask people to invest. In this case It looks that you lost all your crypto coins and want to gamble away other people money, It's only my opinion.
its not like that i just am using my methods to help others win as well  Uaaaau! Just waaau! What a good guy here. If you want to "help" others do it with your own money, but better, help yourself and get a job so you stop begging for money on forums and then you can gamble away all of it. |
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It depends on the person. If you ask when the majority of people will feel confortable using BTC I think it would be after a very long time, surely not in our life time, maybe never.
The vast majority of people don't understand money, how they came to be and what they represent... how do you aspect them to understand the benefits of using BTC as a currency?
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Nu inteleg de ce investiti in RIGuri ? costa extrem de mult si produc foarte putin, iar dificultatea este in continua crestere.
Sunt monezi care nu pot fi minate decat cu rigurile. Un alt plus fata de ASIC'uri ar fi ca pot fi vandute, chiar si pe componente, dupa ce nu mai sunt rentabile. |
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Joker, you didn't answer to my proposal, sent me your btc (if you have any). I will do LIVE BETTING with 99% chances to win. I take only 1% comision. The oportunity of your life. Please hurry up to catch a spot because people will throw with money and you will miss the boat. We will go to the MOON. I could gamble with my own money but I'm a good person and I want to give you some!!!
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This is so true. I wonder how many times people will fall for this? Is it posible that they will never learn?
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lol, the user itself is FUD lets talk about something useful in this thread  There is nothing useful about this thread. |
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seems legit, good page. buy  Did you already buy it?? and can tell me how it works He's just beying ironic. |
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Just no, due to the human nature.
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