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621  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: November 08, 2023, 07:31:23 PM
I have been reading a lot of comments on the bad situation at Manchester United and fans seem to be pointing the finger at Erik Ten Hag. I don’t like ETH but Manchester United’s poor performances cannot be completely blamed on Erik Ten Hag, the board’s decision making in the transfer window has a role to play. Ten Hag is managing the club with the players at his disposal and I feel Manchester United needs to be more technical in their transfer dealings.
Manchester United's performance endured hardships as a result of disappointing performances caused by the players and the coach. Fans are dissatisfied at the manager stats and hoping he corrects his moves because he has failed to acknowledge a crucial aspect of the team's performance. They're having undesirable consequences and they don't seem to be returning to form anytime soon. Erik Ten Hag was a competitive coach for Manchester United, but he always had problems with his players, particularly Cristiano Ronaldo, which drove him out of Old Trafford.



No matter how good you are as a couch, if you lack good relationship manner with your players you will not succeed in the team because without players, coach did not have anything to do, and the little players Manchester United have Ten Hag relationship with them is becoming an issue since from the time he started with Ronaldo and he succeeded in letting him leave the team, the same thing with Da Gea, now Jordan Sancho. I wanted supporting Ten Hag during Ronald's time, but his continuity in doing such act is my problem with him because this act is making Manchester United lose matches.
622  Local / Nigeria (Naija) / Re: No Invest in Bitcoin When U No Dey Do Anything. on: November 08, 2023, 01:00:12 PM
This one just like na warning sef, no invest in bitcoin when you no dey do anything to support am because e go affect your investment. If you want to invest in bitcoin at least make you dey do small thing dey get money so that you will not touch the bitcoin wey you don invest. Na this topic dey make me dey create this thread Economy affects Bitcoin investors.. Because of the way bitcoin dey appreciate, everybodi want to invest and thinking that bitcoin go give them big profit for within few months of 3-5 months and dis people e no do anything and just want to depends on the bitcoin investment and thinking to have great harvest in this few months, and within this period, when thing are not going well with them in the side hustle then dem go remember say dey drop money for one wallet and dem no go kill or starve demselves when dey have money somewhere. And when you look at it na true, dem no go starve when there have money in the wallet. So dey will visit their wallets and sell dem to feed themselves. But to say dem dey do something outside di bitcoin investment then im or her go dey buy bitcoin small small every week or month with di money wey im or she dey get from side hustle.

Na true talk be dis oo, because na who de alive de invest in bitcoin, you cannot be starving and have bitcoin in your wallet, the best option for you will to sell the coin and take care of yourself and your health.
Having something doing that earn you money is good before kickstarting your bitcoin investment journey so that you can hold your bitcoin for long and gain more profit from the investment.


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A relative met me today and told me dat she want to invest in bitcoin and I asked her weti she dey do, so that when she starts di investment she no go touch di investment money until years to come and she told.me that na akara nai she dey fry. And she dey save #500 every day and she don save 100k from di capital and she want to invest in bitcoin with di profit and I was impressed. And I asked her how did she know about bitcoin and she said, she saw it in one my comment in a family WhatsApp group and she make enquiry and dem told her dat bitcoin na correct investment so she want me to teach her so she can invest. And I told her that all she needs na Android phone since we no get hardware wallet in di locality. And she told me dat when she buy di phone she go come back to me she she can invest and I told her dat dis is the best time to invest as bitcoin e still dey low.

That is a good move for the lady, make sure you coach her how to keep her private keys safe and do not leave her bitcoin in an exchange for her, teach her all the basic things she need to know about bitcoin and wallets, and also let her know that bitcoin investment is risky, if she is willing to take the risk. Also let her know that it is not a get rich quick program or investment.
623  Local / Nigeria (Naija) / Re: A wake up call to all lower rank members in our prestigious local board on: November 08, 2023, 12:40:46 PM
The purpose of that thread was to warn and encourage us to be centered on the main aim of the forum and the Local Board which is Bitcoin related discussions.

This your thread is also a reminder to make appropriate contribution instead of spamming the board with political news that have nothing to do with this forum; I believe everyone wants to create thread which is not necessary unless a very important discussion that is beneficial to us all. I hope we all take note and keep the board clean.


While we also focus on post quality and how to make here better and more engaging, I hope we are building our Bitcoin portfolios? I have repeatedly said this because I know how important it will be for us all to own Bitcoin before the next bill market. There is already enough information here for anyone willing to start this journey of Bitcoin accumulation. 
Very important reminder as the bitcoin market is taking a step further. It is not too late yet to invest in bitcoin and other coins that have potentials, but lets be careful and invest in the right coin especially people going for altcoins, lets no follow hype make we do research before we invest.



I actually feel somehow seeing that lots of the OGs who own huge stash of Bitcoin are not omo Naija even when we know say Naija no dey carry last. E be like we dey last for that one yet and I want that to change.
The thing na personal thing mate, no body go show him investment for public na, e fit be say some people for here get investment wey u no go ever expect and them de quite just waiting for the right time to take their profit.
624  Local / Nigeria (Naija) / Re: Hardwork no longer incur success on: November 08, 2023, 12:26:16 PM
You will agree with me that in our present country, It is not the most hard working that is the richest but the most smart working. The hardest labor and jobs are no longer the highest paying jobs, people sit at home and make the total money for a year that just a hard worker and not a smart worker can make.

This is very right not only in our country but globally.
Technology made things easy for us and result to making smart works more valuable than hard work that is why tech guys are earning money while staying at their comfort zone while people doing hard work will have to go out, expose themselves to sun just to put food in their table, and the smart people doing paper work or doing designs and coding get paid more than them.

Now we are having AIs that will soon take over all the hard works people are doing to get paid; and all these A Is are created by smart people not hard workers.

Although hard working can also be people working towards achieving their goals with smartness, and people using their physical strength to hustle for money.

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Life expectancy for Nigerians dey short because of bad health care and poor environment, we nor need to add stress to am, make we for nor go die quick. While we dey try to make money, we gats focus majorly on finding smartways to make money, not just depending on harwork, Hardwork alone no longer incurs success.
Due to how our government are controlling us, our environments and health condition is not their concern that is why smart Nigerians are looking for ways to either leave the country for good or look for an online paying job to be doing to reduce the stress of depending on government and also take care of their own health.



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Some examples of smart ways to make money are;
Share some other smart ways to make money.

  • Investing in Bitcoin (this one na the koko because na the surest wey now to dey do smart work (me I dey like call am soft work)
  • Trading cryptocurency (this one no be only Bitcoin but all cryptocurency, if you learn am well you fit dey make better money but make sure you learn am well before doing)
  • Investing in foreign currency (e.g buying and holding dollars for it to increase and you take profits).
  • Forex trading (this one dey self explanatory as na wetin people sabi pass)
  • Real estate investments
  • Social media influencing (This is the recent Gold mine as you fit influence multiple things at the same time from the comfort of your bed, you fit do TikTok, Instagram, twitter, YouTube etc influential different products from music, movies, restaurant, bars, clubs, normal everyday products, and so on).
You have listed them all, unless the person has skills that include computer programming, coding, and cyber security experience. These listed smart ways of making money are enough for serious and dedicated Nigerian youths to make them independent as well as free from inflation and devaluation of our currency since most of the works you mentioned were paid in foreign currencies.



625  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: November 07, 2023, 09:39:03 PM
As expected Manchester city are really cruising in this game as haaland has made it three goals to nothing and with the way the game is going I think he is certainly going to go for the hat trick. Manchester city have started evolving once more and with this current form , I think it will be difficult for any team to match and beat them but although I feel the los Blanco's can try as that team is also certainly on another level with the inform wizard Bellingham but for that match to play out we will have to wait for them in the knock out stages.
Manchester City remains the best team in the Champions League this season again just like last season, they are also a favorite to win the Champions League alongside Real Madrid, Bayern Munich and others; because of these reason, I did not doubt any of their group stage matches because I knw that they will smoothly lead their group and qualify to the knockout stage.



Indeed, AC Milan against PSG is the match of the night, very entertaining like you said and with a touch of surprises. Who would have imagined that PSG will have a hard time with Milan tonight with the later already leading with two goals to one at the fifty seventh minutes following the goal from Olivier Giroud.

If Milan can keep the pace and tempto of the match amidst their astonishing supporters, it will not be strange seeing them take the three points. With four yellow cards already, PSG will have to play with extra caution to avoid any player getting a second yellow card.
I know that AC Milan will win this match after Newcastle lose their match so that they can get the hope of qualifying to the knockout stage if they can be able to beat Dortmund and Newcastle United in the second leg, which I believe if they are able to end this match with three points, they can try to beat both Newcastle and Dortmund to qualify to the next round or they will go and play Europa League.
626  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Saudi Professional League 2023/2024 on: November 07, 2023, 10:59:31 AM
^^^ Benzema has done a decent job so far, with 5 goals from 10 matches. But the problem is that the club (Al-Ittihad) is not doing well recently. They are 11 points behind Al Hilal and are at the 6th position in points table currently. They are even behind weak clubs such as Al-Taawoun and Al-Fateh. One reason for this is that the combination of Karim Benzema and Abderrazak Hamdallah hasn't clicked so far. Individually, these two are some of the best players in the world right now. But they seems to have an issue while playing together.
I cannot accept a performance of 5 goals in 10 matches from Benzema as good. Look at Ronaldo, he has 12 goals and 7 assists at his age. I expected Benzema to perform similarly, but we were wrong about this. Benzema is performing poorly, we have to accept that.
Like me, he has performed far better than this during his days at Real Madrid, and he was one of the best strikers in the world; thus, I expect much from him, especially given that he is playing in the Saudi Pro League, which is below the standard of his former team, Real Madrid. I understand that his relationship with Abderrazak Hamdallah has been strained, but Benzema is a player who battles for and scores goals despite his youth. I expect him to demonstrate his talent in a few games in order to improve his performance, as other players who have left their prior clubs have continued to outperform them.
627  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: November 07, 2023, 10:50:01 AM
Perhaps at the moment the sensational transfers this season are Kane and Bellingham. Kane was very prolific in Munich, he contributed to 20 goals Bayern Munich have in the Bundesliga. In fact, he has made 15 goals and 5 assists. In total he made 17 goals in 13 Bayern Munich matches. It seems like better stats when playing in the EPL.
Bellingham was also outstanding, making 14 matches in all competitions and making 13 goals and 3 assists. It's also better than the stats in Dortmund. I only listen to these two people because they are very prominent. There may be other player transfers that you think are good.

Source: google

Yes that right. Both Kane and Bellingham have been an incredible players in their new clubs, they adapt very quicky to their new league's style of play and keep performing better above their previous performance because they both went to teams that are better their former teams.
So far, the two of them can be regarded as the best summer signing in the Europe top five Leagues because they have been performing very well consistently more than any other player that changed their team for another team in the transfer summer.

The two of them if both win their respective Leagues, and perform well in this current Champions League campaign, they will come close to winning the balloon d'or next year.
628  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: November 07, 2023, 10:34:59 AM

But I have to say that calling Jude Bellingham the best summer deal might be a bit early, but I support that view! I've watched every Real Madrid game he's played in and cant deny his effect. Its not easy for someone his age to go from playing middle to being a key attacking force. I wasnt sure about him because Real already has a great team, but he's fit right in. I think he's not only on the way to becoming a big name, but also a football hero if he keeps going in this direction. I saw the game against Rayo Vallecano, and even though there were no goals, his play was a bright spot in what was otherwise a difficult game for Madrid.

yeah.. calling a player/signing the best at early season is too soon, in fact his high price and expectation align to his current form, so its not surprising. but appreciation to a new player that gives big impact immediately to a big club is well deserved. he's not only the future of RMadrid, but also the future of England and football.
but I think his current role is not sustainable, he's not going to keep scoring every game, madrid need a new world class striker to fulfill his ability at midfield as central midfielder after Modric/Kroos retired. I think that's madrid's plan.


With the performance Jude Bellingham has displayed so far in the league and his great impact on the Real Madrid team, I think calling his name the best signing is not a bad thing because he has already proven it more than any other new signing in the league.
Madrid needs a world-class striker to properly lead the team to glory this season. If they sign a world-class striker, Bellingham will be playing a free role and will contribute more when playing as a supportive striker because he will be scoring goals and the striker will also be scoring goals; it will be like Benzema and Ronaldo's combination back then..
629  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: November 07, 2023, 10:18:33 AM



5 valid goals
5 goals disallowed
9 yellow cards
2 red cards
21 minutes total added time
Nicolas Jackson's 3 goals


Those are some of the things that happened in the London derby last night and who would have thought that Spurs would lose 1-4 at home against Chelsea. Maybe something like this rarely happens considering the amount of drama that was created during the match and this was Spurs' first defeat of the season and Chelsea was the team that managed to stop them in their tracks. On the other hand, Spurs were unlucky because they had to play with 9 players after Romero and Udogie received red cards. Pochettino's squad clearly used this well to control the game and Nicolas Jackson scored a hat trick in this match. Spurs failed to overtake Manchester City in the standings and this victory put Chelsea back into the top 10 of the standings.
The drama in that match was absolute. I never expected this outcome in this match because London derby matches are always intense. That is why I didn't expect Tottenham to win the match either, even though they are topping the Premier League table.

The two red cards gave Chelsea three points in the match. Tottenham were rubbed yesterday because I didn't expect that harsh decision from the referee in that first red card, but nonetheless, it has happened and Tottenham have to prepare more against their next match because these two players that got suspended are given good contribution to their team and they will miss them for the time being. They just have to maintain their performance as they will be playing Wolves and Aston Villa in their next two matches, and then after that, they will play against Manchester City, which I believe by then the suspended players will be back.
630  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: November 06, 2023, 10:10:51 PM
Athletic Bilbao managed to come out of a tough Villareal away with a win. The away team started the match fast and scored 3 goals in the first half to take the lead. Although Villareal actually had a good squad, they couldn't find their form. While the match ended 3-2 with Bilbao's superiority, Villareal scored 2 goals in the last 6 minutes.
Villareal after selling some of their key players in the transfer market is not in good form this season, they are finding it hard to be consistent in their performance s a result of low quality squad; unlike last season which they have players that are very good and have made the team competitive in the Laliga. I hope they can sign more players during the January transfer window to give the squad more confidence to see if they can qualify for Europa League or Conference League.

Athletic Bilbao is on form this season, they climbed to the fifth position in the league after their win against Villareal even though they have been statistically playing very well against them, winning two matches and drew two in the last five matches they played together.


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Real Madrid vs Rayo Vallecano ended in a goalless draw. Both teams struggled to find goals despite being in form in the last few weeks. Real Madrid played dominant at home, but wasted a lot of chances.
I was surprised as Real Madrid were unable to score a goal yesterday even after full match domination from the beginning to then end, they played 22 shots and5 shots on target, but they still couldn't score a single goal despite playing at home.
Girona is the the leader of the Laliga league because they are surprising as they just got promoted to the Laliga this season.
631  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: November 06, 2023, 09:47:12 PM

Chelsea looks like they can win this match because they have 1 more player than Tottenham. Pochettino must be able to make his team better motivated to win and take advantage of the opportunities that exist in the match, of course this is a good day for them to hope for victory at their opponent's home ground.

Now Tottenham have also lost another player due to a red card. Tottenham only has 9 players compared to Chelsea's 11 players, of course this will be very profitable for Chelsea and it will be very bad if they fail to win the match. Tottenham certainly doesn't want to lose, but Chelsea must be able to ensure victory. However, the score was still tied at 1-1 even though Chelsea had a big chance of winning.
Chelsea's dominance in the game after Tottenham's second red card is massive. I see this match as a win-win match for Chelsea because they have all the advantages they need to win this match even though they are playing away from home.

I can see that Pochettino has brought in Marc Cucurella and Mykhaylo Mudryk to give the team more attacking strength, as they need all the attack they have to convert the limited chances they will be able to create because Tottenham will be defending their home after their second red card to avoid losing this match and keep their unbeaten record because they are the only team that has yet to lose a match in the Premier League this season.

Nicolas Jackson has score a goal to put Chelsea ahead in the match, I think this match will be the beginning of Tottenham's downfall.
632  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What I did just to invest in Bitcoin. on: November 06, 2023, 04:01:18 PM
I sold our family land and used the money to invest on bitcoin. Initially I told them I want to sell the land and use the money to travel abroad. If I had told them I wanted to invest it in bitcoin they wouldn't have allowed me sell the land. I have tried educating them about bitcoin but they were not just interested to listen to me as they are all illiterates. Now the truth has finally come out and everyone is on my neck to get back the money. I told told them I invested the money, they thought I have spent the money on women and other things. I have been abused several times but I don't care because I know the money is safe and never lost. I understand that in everything good there must be some challenges and set backs. My resolution to invest in bitcoin is final and there is nothing anybody can do about it.
 
Investing in bitcoin is not a priority, and so many bitcoin experts in this forum and everywhere have always advised people to always invest their personal money and the money they are willing to sacrifice for long, and it should also be the money they can afford to lose. All this advice is because of how volatile and risky bitcoin investment is. Therefore, this is a bad decision because you invested money that you cannot afford to lose because the money is not yours.

For example, if you lose the wallet private key now, your entire family will never believe you, and they will claim that you used the money for something else.
I understand your feelings and your dedication towards wanting to become a bitcoin investor, but your actions were wrong. You could have sold your own portion of the land and used the money for bitcoin investment instead of using all your family money to invest.
633  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Fund for Bitcoin promotion on: November 06, 2023, 03:46:44 PM
Is there some group which collects funds for Bitcoin promotion? If some group like this can create advertisements for Bitcoin, more people can become aware. Such mediums should be targeted which have reach on audience that is still not familiar with crypto.
Bitcoin is already everywhere; do we still need to form a group to promote and advertise bitcoin? NO.
The Bitcointalk forum is enough for bitcoin knowledge and awareness; we don't need any other group that may lead to scamming people because once groups are created, people will fake them and use that medium to defraud people.

Towns and villages now hear about bitcoin; some of them know what it means and how it has been used, while others do not know anything about it but know it exists. With time, I am sure they will get to know it and will adopt it when they know what it is all about, especially the decentralization and financial freedom part.
634  Economy / Economics / Re: Fiat & Crypto - Effective Expert Advise on: November 04, 2023, 04:10:50 PM

So In conclusion, I respectfully ask "what is your Effective Expert Advise for a Person (me) that has enough Salary but still want more Financial Stability using cryptocurrency".

To gain financial stability using cryptocurrency with your salary is easy.
Just be ready to take risk.
Set aside some percentage of your salary that you are willing to use in Bitcoin investment, use that percentage to buy bitcoin. It is called DCA method.
Keep buying bitcoin with the specified amount set aside from your salary for long, you will have financial stability in bitcoin because bitcoin is a store of value.
635  Economy / Economics / Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk on: November 03, 2023, 06:13:07 PM

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?
AI is a threat to workers as they are already doing people’s jobs and their perfection is almost 100% compare to human as they do no error and work as programmed.

If people keep using AI, they will find the use of AI very easy and more cheaper than employing human because working with human have some disadvantages which include human error, theft and others.
AI work is good but will make humans to lose their jobs and most people who work for pay do depend on that money to feed their family.
636  Local / Nigeria (Naija) / Re: Naira hits highest level since September 20th, trade as high as N972 on Binance on: November 03, 2023, 05:41:16 PM


The current price of USDT/NGN according to Binance exchange is 855.7 Naira.
This is a good development and it shows that the new CBN government in collaboration with federal government are very concerned about the Naira value depreciation all this while, and if the Naira keep getting value against Dollar, the hardship in the country will reduce because the cost of goods will reduce even though I know that the cost of petroleum products is affecting the price of goods.
637  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: French Soccer League Predictions and Discussion Thread (Ligue 1) on: November 03, 2023, 01:26:12 PM
PSG has small odds against Montpellier @1.25 but they always be the favourite for every matches in Ligue 1 so i didn't surprised if the bookmakers always provide low odds for them for each matches but i have been notice about PSG results matches recently because in the last 4 home matches in all competitions PSG can able to win with 3 goals margin or more with cleansheet status so these records proven they always be performing well for every home matches during this season and Montpellier defensive lines isn't special because during this season they have already conceded 15 goals and i am sure it's not difficult to Mbappe and other players to win with 2 goals margin or more from Montpellier and for betting option over 2.5 goals also can became an good option instead of PSG win
The bookmakers know that PSG is the best team in the League in the previous seasons that is why they always give them small odds because they are sure that they will win almost all their league matches, but in the beginning of this season, PSG has made people to lose a lot of money due to their inconsistency in performance.
If you want to get in OSG and be assured of winning some money with a big high odd, don’t play them straight win, instead play them to score above two goals since they are now back on form.
638  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Saudi Professional League 2023/2024 on: November 02, 2023, 09:16:04 PM
Violation of contract would be the stupidest mistake Neymar could ever make, he is going to be injured so he can't really make any money outside of his contract, whatever AL-Hilal is saying to him, he should be accepting it without stop and should keep doing whatever they tell him to do.

If they tell him to get well at Saudi Arabia and not go to his nation Brazil, then he should not go to Brazil and should get better at Saudi Arabia, because the end result would be hundreds of millions of dollars gone if the contract is terminated due to some clause they have. He is already one of the worst investments in football history, hundreds of millions of dollars for a player that played only 5 games for the whole season.
With this current situation on ground, Neymar have no choice than to stay back in Saudi Arabia because if he leaves, it might affect his contract.

Neymar's football career has come to an end especially after moving to Saudi Arabia; he is one of the most talented players in the football history, but he did not have personal achievements to back his footballing skills and experience up just like Ronaldinho and others have due to his unseriousness and probably due to injury because he is an injury prone player who is not reliable.

Al Hilal by now will be regrating all the money they spent for a player like Neymar to play just five matches and went injured for almost out of season.
639  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Nigerians spend $975m daily on online betting on: November 02, 2023, 07:18:51 PM
Data from the National Lottery Trust Fund (NLTF) has revealed that over 65 million Nigerians actively engage in betting, spending an average of $15 daily. This is just as it disclosed that everyday, 14 million bet takes and payments are made online in the country. continue reading here....

Recalled that Nigeria population is estimated to be around 200+million and from the information above, over 65 million people are engaged in gambling on a daily basis amounting to over 32% of the country population. With the recent economic crisis and hardship affecting almost all the nations, if large number of people are spending this much on betting, can we say that they relied on gambling to survive?

But, I think we need to know how much betting sites are paying out daily too, so we can make comparison.  Grin
This data is correct and I believe that people playing the bet will be more than that percentage on paper.
Some people make gambling shop their homes and offices because they don't have job and they are getting hope of winning virtual games for money they can use to survive and pay their bills.

Some gamblers are not using their smart phone, they book games with the betting shops, and some of them book multiple games just to earn a leaving.

Gambling is supposed to be for fun, but in some people case in Nigeria, they are taking it as their source of income which is wrong, and through this gambling addiction, so many people have lost their lives and properties for bet.
640  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Europa League 2023/24 Season on: November 02, 2023, 07:09:30 PM

Liverpool indeed belong to the Champions League normally. But their performance in the Premier League wasn't impressive last season. It was quite late when they started to make improvement and they ended up with the Europa League afterwards. Currently they are in good shape unlike that season.
Last season, they suffered injury problems at the beginning of the season, and selling some players also affected their performance because the players they bought to replace the ones that left did not quickly adapt to the Premier League that was why they were flopping at the beginning of the last season, but when they get themselves at the end, they perform well and secure a spot in the Europa League.


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Their priority would be to be competitive for the Premier League title of course. However I still don't expect them to have any concentration issues in the Europa League either.

They have a good opportunity ahead to win a title so I think they would go for it. Klopp would do some rotation from time to time to deal with a tight schedule but they would still stay strong I believe.
It is unlikely that Liverpool will win the Premier League this season. I am not underestimating them, but Arsenal, Manchester City, and Tottenham are on fire, and they have more quality players than Liverpool; I know they can win it because they have experience, but Arsenal has been another dimension team since last season and will be willing to win the league, and Tottenham under the new manager this season has been very impressive and will also want to win something for the team, as will the defending champions Manchester City, who have always thinned the squad.
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