i think you are mixing up profit sharing shares and equity shares.
it sounds like you were offered 50% equity shares at the beginning. But since you wanted to be shielded from loss, you turned that down and agreed to 10% of profit shares (dividends if you will).
At some point, you were upgraded to 25%, still profit sharing shares, since you had no risk. Then that was diluted to 20%
The rules of the game did in fact change, but you were given the option to play under the new rules or leave the game. That is perfectly fair. They did not force you to pay for the losses because that's not what the contract said. But they essentially gave you the option of converting your profit sharing shares to equity shares (had you chose to do so, since they were equity shares, you would have been responsible for a part of the losses).
You didn't accept to renegotiate the terms and I don't think anyone disputes that. That's why you were fired. You were given the option of renegotiating, and you chose not to. As such, your employment with the company in question was terminated. As in all terminations, you kept your pay from before the termination and they owe you nothing more.
profit sharing shares dont exist what does exist are called preferred shares and the conditions for preferred shares vary from company to company based on contract conditions, for example Zuckerberg shares on Facebook have more voting power so he keeps the voting majority even if the percentage is lower that 50%, my preferred shares do not take loses simple like that |
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is true that when the markets are closed on weekends or very boring i am not at the PC and most ppl who know me are aware that on weekend they cant reach me regarding the accusation ( https://community.bitfinex.com/content.php/32-Regarding-recent-team-change ) that I was not reachable and I disappeared when the btc market drop like a rock on 10/04/2013 here is a picture of the send emails (emails that have same time are duplicate because of the filtering) this image dont lie and if i click any of the emails the pgp will verify the time on the email  |
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@R since you banned me on the BFX forums can you take admin or give admin to anyone who wants to take over the forex gann sp500 gold? and silver? (i dont remember if there are other) discussion groups
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I think this is the kickoff to a brand new major bear market. The 1687 level on the S&P should hold for many years to come IMO
remember the megaphone scenario is extremely bearish but it can happen |
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4) then i got diluted to 20% so investors can get in
5) and the rules of the game was to be changed since i was asked to pay some loses that before i did not have to pay
6) i never give up any terms of my contract and never accepted to renegotiate them
Right, but as per your "contract": - - -raphael has the right to ignore any of these proposals - - -raphael has the right to change any of these proposals that referring to the features and modifications that i request to be made on the platform no the the contract itself |
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There is a lot of people who are talking about different things thinking it's the same thing.
This is what I gather:
1) myself was a consultant. He was paid a certain percentage of the profits for his work. If there were no profits, he did not incur any losses.
This is to say that he had no equity in the organization. He was an employee working solely for compensation based on profit sharing. Is this part correct?
2) at some point, he was asked to contribute to the losses in exchange for equity. He refused (as everyone has agreed was his right to). The equity partners decided at this point to terminate his employment status as a consultant (which is a modification of the contract as per the last line). As such his access to the site was revoked.
Is this part correct?
I'm not sure what the issue is here. He had a job, was told he could either be promoted to an equity partner (by paying his share) or else he would be terminated. Is he contending that his contract stated that he could not be terminated in the manner in which he was terminated?
1) well at the beginning R offer me 50% and i said no to that and i only take 10% and no loses (that was the point i dont take any loss) 2) in late January thing moved to make Bitfinex limited and i got 25% shares in this company 3) there where some loses after that that go paid by R and some got paid by platform earnings 4) then i got diluted to 20% so investors can get in 5) and the rules of the game was to be changed since i was asked to pay some loses that before i did not have to pay 6) i never give up any terms of my contract and never accepted to renegotiate them |
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If true it would sound like the Tang situation was along the lines of Tang saying "Can I borrow $150K? I think BTC is going to go back up shortly so I'd like to buy up some cheap BTC from all the panic sellers and people forced to sell due to margin calls". And the site crediting him with it. Obviously that's horrendous for all other users of the site - as if he gets his trading wrong and then doesn't pay then $150k of THEIR cash has now vanished. that idea was G idea and he proposed that to mr Tang only blowing the whistle when he got cut out from the take. maybe i should have said more that just "i dont like that", each time you compromise it come back to kick your ass and i got and will get mine kicked Either way myself should get the scammer tag - either for deceiving investors back then or for trying to besmirch the site now (or, conceivably, both). i did not lie to the investors and at least one of them (G) did have 100% knowledge about all this since he was in the team Doubt anyone gives a shit about the falling out over the detail of a contract which had no specified duration. i post on that later |
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So Tang and Devasini were just taking on the liabilities incurred by the delays in forced liquidation when the market crashed? As opposed to having lenders take the hit? Am I understanding correctly, and if so, what's wrong with that?
example;now let talk in small numbers so i can explain it better 1 lets say you get 1BTC forced executed at 10 2 I buy your 1 BTC position at 10 usd but i dont deposit said 10 USD 3 you the trader take the loss and you are done 4 the platform now have 1 BTC instead of 10 usd 5 the market price now is 5 USD 5 now the platform total assets is 5 USD lower that is should because it has 1 BTC instead of 10USD the platform is 5 USD in loss 6 when you get forced liquidated on mtgox at 10 that create a 10 USD reserve at mtgox and now at 5 another trader can borrow 10 USD and buy 2 BTC on a long position 7 if the additional 10USD reserve are not on mtgox the trader can borrow the 10 USD but its buy order dont get executed because of lack of funds |
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@unclescrooge and myself: 3. Besides that is required an audit for the entire bitfinex platform,the platform tempered/adjusted twice, first with mister Tang and wascredited from him 150.000 USD, that he didn't deposit in his account,the second time when mister Devasini was credited one million dollars,money that he didn't have deposited in his account. Because of this Icannot be sure if the current losses are real or not.
So the first incident was due to a delayed forced liquidation, correct? What was the second incident (Devasini)? Some sort of bug in the platform? no is no like that and there was no incident 1) they did not deposit 1 single USD on this accounts 2) they got 150k and 1mil in balance given by R since he got convinced to do this 3) all that money was customer money 4) with that money they get to buy all forced execution positions until all money got used and then sell when the market bounced |
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i go to sleep now and tomorrow i am out so don't expect any reply's soon
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I only give up 5% to 20% I did never give up the whole 25% and yes i told you if you want my 20% that's the price take it or leave it I don't want to read anymore that we steal your forum licence (this is wrong, we bought everything back to VBulletin and third parties, and it's a shame as we could have bought it from you if you were only open to discussion) when i made this thread that was not the case I don't want to read this kind of false accusations bullshit From - Wed Apr 03 15:37:44 2013 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00800000 X-Mozilla-Keys: Message-ID: < 515C309F.6010303@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2013 15:37:35 +0200 From: myself < myselfbtc@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Raphael Nicolle < admin@bitfinex.com> Subject: Re: Tang Insurance References: < CAG4Gv-LRZc0_GxXCpT2syafiK9mfZXw8zG5-3PsVUE3i97NZmA@mail.gmail.com> <CAOHBavDPn1LZ-MxzWdBvvoQ3Xa2enMMWnsrQ+QznSAv1ZrtU5g@mail.gmail.com> < CAG4Gv-JSZoHFqGLLS2y3DcUwJK5Ztojdbu4BKjex_a_DczscoQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAOHBavCaWSP+SKCkhEzaG3tnWPGfGQ-2-HLVmU2Qh0YT3FeLWg@mail.gmail.com> <CAG4Gv-+orhKNCjWQ1qQfngTOo17k3d157gLJaEYroaURGjqepA@mail.gmail.com> <CAOHBavAsp33=3a2WPgd5hd3WHBrWphS6Ab3_tgtOWhbcQ1KZ-w@mail.gmail.com> <CAG4Gv-KyR33m+Y1cytoTwWvsk4wkYMSKK6j1XqJhu5zC09AUmg@mail.gmail.com> <CAG4Gv-KtYimE6OOzF0y5=7EUK2ZV+XVWb1tV5QVKz2r59Hxv2w@mail.gmail.com> <CAOHBavBLOguibb9FdDVxwG1j90oaxZBWSJdBW0rFZQnfxsQ=+w@mail.gmail.com> <CAG4Gv-+LYmYjsucs921T2b=nERY+giwNRQr3G1PCc+jLj9xM0w@mail.gmail.com> <CAOHBavCVWgXO73oP_N_Jho2sGZMaJpzBbiRyKC=RXNXjFtN7Ow@mail.gmail.com> <CAG4Gv-LSdpfKmodHa-6gtYtjSA+84YkWMx+zLR_pgVRgP5jqXQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAG4Gv-J-Hj+Bqq-pZ_qo=E25BN5e72v7ykwxd8pnbEGvafgMkw@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CAG4Gv-J-Hj+Bqq-pZ_qo=E25BN5e72v7ykwxd8pnbEGvafgMkw@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="----enig2BWHFDPSIAQTGRPRLCSTE" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) ------enig2BWHFDPSIAQTGRPRLCSTE Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030602020206000500000305" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030602020206000500000305 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 03.04.2013 15:04, Raphael Nicolle wrote: > Just a confirmation to answer your question "Myself": we lend MrTang > the money to buy the forced executed. He will have a negative balance > until he sells the bitcoins he has and/or repay the difference should > the price go even lower. > i dont like that ....also why dont you lent me 150k lol --------------030602020206000500000305 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html> <head> <meta content=3D"text/html; charset=3DISO-8859-1" http-equiv=3D"Content-Type"> </head> <body text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"> <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 03.04.2013 15:04, Raphael Nicolle wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote cite=3D"mid:CAG4Gv-J-Hj+Bqq-pZ_qo=3DE25BN5e72v7ykwxd8pnbEGvafgMkw@mail.gm= ail.com" type=3D"cite"> <meta http-equiv=3D"Context-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3DISO-8859-1"> <div dir=3D"ltr">Just a confirmation to answer your question "Myself": we lend MrTang the money to buy the forced executed. He will have a negative balance until he sells the bitcoins he has and/or repay the difference should the price go even lower.</= div> <br> </blockquote> i dont like that ....also why dont you lent me 150k lol<br> </body> </html> --------------030602020206000500000305-- ------enig2BWHFDPSIAQTGRPRLCSTE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/iQGcBAEBAgAGBQJRXDClAAoJEAo1/8s223x36XAL/i7lAjbET7uR7WArpkW3IAyS s654K/eF110VdRv5fCl8mGyGMMRBNmp/g61KqNiCd64vPByb2TMkE2F1l0JaWkQO jCc+DqZBgJd9L7o0XVMJ6m6FTB4loEDD+Hv1a8zp4ZxVAfZaMVUawk75QN+v93G8 pucx6/a53BoWAq4WDqKrKAM1aN8c35DOyid7fDtSFLRUcJWDjcAb56cki8+FtmS5 jkukkc/iOJj6sdiuXxJV3j28Tm7NW1Oixl/mJic3JIBIq6lBxPxxyTJmFZ2x/67r 5i2lzVURv/a8/uhvB2Bakm0u7TPLCZeeSsqkg/LAwZIr5CXGewT8c+fE5I6cCnjE WgY6/0qHV+BBQG6DyYdLBQfhwZWDxOHva2x8+6w+xqyhIEP6NwPo1OvbCbKYamQ5 lrys9gdz0Ebar1VaQOuEW/TSp9nzL7b/G9Yzj9HbPnvvIl5MZgDAdWrAxhL2E5uA zfi6LJQ+Hx0EEZXQsXjT4mISCO00xPvdcCuJJQfqkQ== =pcJe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------enig2BWHFDPSIAQTGRPRLCSTE-- |
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Hello,
The forum is hosted on a VBulletin forum running a licence for VB5 Connect and lower versions and other components brought under the name of Bitfinex Limited.
Invoices can be given by email.
Best regards
Raphael
read the read me file you need to delete the install.php or someone can start a new installation and wipe the database and that means the loss of all content users etc etc |
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@MPOE-PR if you want any reply from me make short and to the point questions atm i am not in a state to deal with with long+spin+god_know_what posts
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Hello,
The forum is hosted on a VBulletin forum running a licence for VB5 Connect and lower versions and other components brought under the name of Bitfinex Limited.
Invoices can be given by email.
Best regards
Raphael
make sure you buy also a license for the wiki |
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i think you should take down the forums since that is my license and you not longer have my permission to use it since you broke the agreement we had |
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why I don't want to put money for the loses bitfinex have From - Mon May 06 12:55:08 2013
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Preliminary observations on Bitfinex.com losses.
Because of our former agreement I'm protected by any loses generated in
bitfinex.com, I request that our former agreement has to be respected.
All this problem concerning the losses I think that is a strategy to get
rid of me "simply", without me you wouldn't have had the the same amount
of clients "we both have access to google analytics and we can see the
traffic generated through chatzy, where I talk to lots of traders and
they've been attracted to use our platform, besides that all the
information and promotion I did and do on the forums" and the platform
it wouldn't be the same and probably it couldn't be existing any longer,
because it was a bucket shop.
Regarding the losses there are a few key points that you should
understand, even though I'm not forced to be participant on the losses.
1. The losses are not settled every month the losses are settled at the
end of the fiscal year.
2. To know the exact amount of losses is required an external and
neutral audit for all the bitfinex accounts.
3. Besides that is required an audit for the entire bitfinex platform,
the platform tempered/adjusted twice, first with mister Tang and was
credited from him 150.000 USD, that he didn't deposit in his account,
the second time when mister Devasini was credited one million dollars,
money that he didn't have deposited in his account. Because of this I
cannot be sure if the current losses are real or not.
4. You are the only operator of the bitfinex platform and you let the
platform to lose money on purpose, you have been notified concerning
problems with the MTGOX platform, these losses are not generated by
mistake or by incompetence, you knowing it and let this happen and you
didn't want to stop it.
Because of all these points and the reasons exposed above my trust level
is extremely low and any decision regarding my financial interest in
Bitfinex. will be made after consulting other people.
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the agreement part myself is granted an access to the data exposing the financial situation of the website www.bitfinex.com. He can access these data any time he wants and myself will receive a financial compensation of 10% of the profits of the previously mentionned website, every month and should financial results be negative, myself won't pay nor receive anything for these negative months R and the other investors insist that i need to pay for BFX loses and my agreement clearly say i do not have to put any money if there is a loss and this agreement was made previous to the join of investors just when there was R and me using this strategy to push me out of BFX and to take my part away now that all the BFX logic is sound, there is a new market that there was not before on bitcoin world, the lending for leverage. first agreement -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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- - -raphael has the right to ignore any of these proposals
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i lost my log in access emails From - Mon Jun 03 22:53:16 2013
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did u change something to my bitfinex.com/admin admin@cctforum.com i
cant log in anymore
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did u change my admin log in ? bitfinex.com/admin admin@cctforum.com
i cant log in anymore
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From: "Raphael Nicolle" <admin+canned.response@bitfinex.com>
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Hello,
I'm currently away until the 18th of June.
For all matters related to the interest of Bitfinex, please contact:
Giancarlo Devasini <g.devasini@gmail.com>
J.L. van der Velde <jlvdv@hotmail.com>
Best regards,
Raphael
Bitfinex team
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<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Hello,<div><br></div><div>I'm currently away until the 18th of June.</div><div><br></div><div>For all matters related to the interest of Bitfinex, please contact:</div><div>Giancarlo Devasini <<a href="mailto:g.devasini@gmail.com" target="_blank">g.devasini@gmail.com</a>></div>
<div>J.L. van der Velde <<a href="mailto:jlvdv@hotmail.com" target="_blank">jlvdv@hotmail.com</a>><br></div><div><br></div></div><div><div dir="ltr">Best regards,<div>Raphael</div><div>Bitfinex team</div></div></div>
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so i decide to send a email from other email address From - Mon Jun 03 23:28:04 2013
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did u change my admin log in ? bitfinex.com/admin admin@cctforum.com
i cant log in anymore
but this time i get a manual reply From - Mon Jun 03 23:27:54 2013
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Subject: Re: admin log in
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To: Ioan <ioan@bitfinex.com>
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Hello,
I'm currently away until the 18th of June.
For all matters related to the interest of Bitfinex, please contact:
Giancarlo Devasini <g.devasini@gmail.com>
J.L. van der Velde <jlvdv@hotmail.com>
Best regards
Raphael NICOLLE
Bitfinex team
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 11:22 PM, Ioan <ioan@bitfinex.com> wrote:
> On 03/06/2013 23:03, Ioan wrote:
> > did u change my admin log in ? bitfinex.com/admin admin@cctforum.com
> > i cant log in anymore
>
>
> hey you forgot to add this email to the auto reply bullshit remember
> tomorrow there is a deadline
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hello,<div><br></div><div>I'm current=
ly away until the 18th of June.</div><div><br></div><div>For all matters re=
lated to the interest of Bitfinex, please contact:</div><div>Giancarlo Deva=
sini <<a href=3D"mailto:g.devasini@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">g.devasi=
ni@gmail.com</a>></div>
<div>J.L. van der Velde <<a href=3D"mailto:jlvdv@hotmail.com" target=3D"=
_blank">jlvdv@hotmail.com</a>><br></div><div><br></div><div>Best regards=
</div><div>Raphael NICOLLE</div><div>Bitfinex team</div><div><br></div></di=
v>
</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon,=
Jun 3, 2013 at 11:22 PM, Ioan <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:ioan=
@bitfinex.com" target=3D"_blank">ioan@bitfinex.com</a>></span> wrote:<br=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1=
px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On 03/06/2013 23:03, Ioan wrote:<br>
> did u change my admin log in ? <a href=3D"http://bitfinex.com/admin" t=
arget=3D"_blank">bitfinex.com/admin</a> <a href=3D"mailto:admin@cctforum.co=
m">admin@cctforum.com</a><br>
> i cant log in anymore<br>
<br>
<br>
hey you forgot to add this email to the auto reply bullshit =A0 remember<br=
>
tomorrow there is a deadline<br>
</blockquote></div><br></div>
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and ofc i see that this is bullshit From - Mon Jun 03 23:28:04 2013
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Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2013 23:25:40 +0200
From: Ioan <ioan@bitfinex.com>
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To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rapha=EBl_NICOLLE?= <raphbot@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: admin log in
References: <51AD04B9.8030409@bitfinex.com> <51AD0904.7050404@bitfinex.com> <CAEG5Az5uYVPxz0yTDiXmPqeeHjgSQyzG_5w7HTp-CdMhvBHXSw@mail.gmail.com>
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this email come from Raphaël NICOLLE <raphbot@gmail.com> the other one
come from raphbot+canned.response@gmail.com
so bullshit
On 03/06/2013 23:24, Raphaël NICOLLE wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm currently away until the 18th of June.
>
> For all matters related to the interest of Bitfinex, please contact:
> Giancarlo Devasini <g.devasini@gmail.com <mailto:g.devasini@gmail.com>>
> J.L. van der Velde <jlvdv@hotmail.com <mailto:jlvdv@hotmail.com>>
>
> Best regards
> Raphael NICOLLE
> Bitfinex team
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 11:22 PM, Ioan <ioan@bitfinex.com
> <mailto:ioan@bitfinex.com>> wrote:
>
> On 03/06/2013 23:03, Ioan wrote:
> > did u change my admin log in ? bitfinex.com/admin
> <http://bitfinex.com/admin> admin@cctforum.com
> <mailto:admin@cctforum.com>
> > i cant log in anymore
>
>
> hey you forgot to add this email to the auto reply bullshit remember
> tomorrow there is a deadline
>
>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">this email come from Raphaël NICOLLE
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:raphbot@gmail.com"><raphbot@gmail.com></a> the other one come from
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:raphbot+canned.response@gmail.com">raphbot+canned.response@gmail.com</a> <br>
<br>
so bullshit <br>
<br>
<br>
On 03/06/2013 23:24, Raphaël NICOLLE wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
cite="mid:CAEG5Az5uYVPxz0yTDiXmPqeeHjgSQyzG_5w7HTp-CdMhvBHXSw@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<meta http-equiv="Context-Type" content="text/html;
charset=ISO-8859-1">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">Hello,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I'm currently away until the 18th of June.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>For all matters related to the interest of Bitfinex,
please contact:</div>
<div>Giancarlo Devasini <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:g.devasini@gmail.com" target="_blank">g.devasini@gmail.com</a>></div>
<div>J.L. van der Velde <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jlvdv@hotmail.com" target="_blank">jlvdv@hotmail.com</a>><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best regards</div>
<div>Raphael NICOLLE</div>
<div>Bitfinex team</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 11:22 PM, Ioan <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ioan@bitfinex.com" target="_blank">ioan@bitfinex.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote">
On 03/06/2013 23:03, Ioan wrote:<br>
> did u change my admin log in ? <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://bitfinex.com/admin"
target="_blank">bitfinex.com/admin</a> <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:admin@cctforum.com">admin@cctforum.com</a><br>
> i cant log in anymore<br>
<br>
<br>
hey you forgot to add this email to the auto reply bullshit
remember<br>
tomorrow there is a deadline<br>
</blockquote>
</div>
<br>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
</body>
</html>
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From - Mon Jun 03 23:34:53 2013
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Message-ID: <51AD0BF5.8060309@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2013 23:34:45 +0200
From: myself <myselfbtc@gmail.com>
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To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rapha=EBl_NICOLLE?= <raphbot@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: admin log in
References: <51AD04B9.8030409@bitfinex.com> <51AD0904.7050404@bitfinex.com> <CAEG5Az5uYVPxz0yTDiXmPqeeHjgSQyzG_5w7HTp-CdMhvBHXSw@mail.gmail.com> <CAEG5Az497HUP3CMVzvyX_dusT4njhEo30br+QxfVDkzcSPjA1g@mail.gmail.com>
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is all or nothing=20
or i get all or i get nothing
On 03/06/2013 23:33, Rapha=EBl NICOLLE wrote:
> Hello,
>
> You refused to discuss our losses while now Bitfinex is not just me
> and all associates reached an agreement, like you did not propose to
> lift 1 btc when I reimbursed 150+ btc to our users since the start of
> Bitfinex (yes i know, as in the contract, but a contract doesn't
> prevent you to participate). Now I exposed you some alternatives
> because I don't wanted this contract anymore, and this is up to you.=20
>
> Please discuss it with Jean-Louis as with his email, my time will be
> limited in the next 2 weeks as I'm taking some well-deserved time off,
> only providing limited support to users.
>
> Thanks for your comprehension
> Raphael
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 11:24 PM, Rapha=EBl NICOLLE <raphbot@gmail.com
> <mailto:raphbot@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm currently away until the 18th of June.
>
> For all matters related to the interest of Bitfinex, please contact=
:
> Giancarlo Devasini <g.devasini@gmail.com
> <mailto:g.devasini@gmail.com>>
> J.L. van der Velde <jlvdv@hotmail.com <mailto:jlvdv@hotmail.com>>
>
> Best regards
> Raphael NICOLLE
> Bitfinex team
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 11:22 PM, Ioan <ioan@bitfinex.com
> <mailto:ioan@bitfinex.com>> wrote:
>
> On 03/06/2013 23:03, Ioan wrote:
> > did u change my admin log in ? bitfinex.com/admin
> <http://bitfinex.com/admin> admin@cctforum.com
> <mailto:admin@cctforum.com>
> > i cant log in anymore
>
>
> hey you forgot to add this email to the auto reply bullshit =20
> remember
> tomorrow there is a deadline
>
>
>
--=20
Bye
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<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">is all or nothing <br>
<br>
or i get all or i get nothing <br>
<br>
On 03/06/2013 23:33, Raphaël NICOLLE wrote:<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hello,
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<div>You refused to discuss our losses while now Bitfinex is not
just me and all associates reached an agreement, like you did
not propose to lift 1 btc when I reimbursed 150+ btc to our
users since the start of Bitfinex (yes i know, as in the
contract, but a contract doesn't prevent you to participate).
Now I exposed you some alternatives because I don't wanted
this contract anymore, and this is up to you. </div>
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<div>Please discuss it with Jean-Louis as with his email, my
time will be limited in the next 2 weeks as I'm taking some
well-deserved time off, only providing limited support to
users.</div>
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<div>Thanks for your comprehension</div>
<div>Raphael</div>
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 11:24 PM,
Raphaël NICOLLE <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send=3D=
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<div>I'm currently away until the 18th of June.</div>
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<div>For all matters related to the interest of
Bitfinex, please contact:</div>
<div>Giancarlo Devasini <<a moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
href=3D"mailto:g.devasini@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank=
">g.devasini@gmail.com</a>></div>
<div>J.L. van der Velde <<a moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
href=3D"mailto:jlvdv@hotmail.com" target=3D"_blank">j=
lvdv@hotmail.com</a>><br>
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<div>Best regards</div>
<div>Raphael NICOLLE</div>
<div>Bitfinex team</div>
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 11:22=
PM, Ioan <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a
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On 03/06/2013 23:03, Ioan wrote:<br>
> did u change my admin log in ? <a
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nk">bitfinex.com/admin</a>
<a moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
href=3D"mailto:admin@cctforum.com" target=3D"_bla=
nk">admin@cctforum.com</a><br>
> i cant log in anymore<br>
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hey you forgot to add this email to the auto reply
bullshit remember<br>
tomorrow there is a deadline<br>
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please note the following
i am extremely mad
and my English is very bad this post will be updated term many time used unclescrooge= Raphael= R urwhatuknow=Giancarlo=G this is happening live here is a list of thing that did happen recently 1) is got my bitfinex admin login revoked 2) i got my admin access revoked https://community.bitfinex.com/member.php/1-Myself yes the forums license was mine (and still is mine) 3) R try to avoid me by filtering my emails and sending me auto reply emails that he is on vacation broken agreements1) read only access to BFX 2) the agreement that i wont take any loses from BFX (i dont have to put money for the loses on BFX) 3) payment of dividend at the end of the month ( other share holders got money i did not) BFX did pay a 10 000 USD dividend for the month of may i know many people put the trust on me and they put money in BFX because of that, since tonight I lost my read only access and I cant keep a eye on their money
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