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621  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Health and Religion on: July 18, 2017, 09:15:24 PM
That's nothing. Any fictional book shows things like those but what useful things does it show? What have we ever accomplished with the bible. We dont have what we have today thanks to the bible or any other religious book which by the way, they are all the same. It's just science fiction written thousands of years ago. They even thought that god was in the sky because they didn't even know what the sky was LOL

The bible was largely inspired from gnostic scholar ship, carried by people like plato, philo of alexandria, who coined the whole principle of rationalism, idealism, and is the core philosophy from which science stem.

Science suppose a constant eternal order in the universe, which is all what monotheism is about.

Sky = mental plane = realm of idea for plato.

Earth = physical plane = sensitive world for plato.

God head = perfection of mental faculty/intelligence.
622  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you trust the United States of America? on: July 18, 2017, 07:38:58 PM
The real epicenter of the brainwashing terror originally it's still the nazi, more specially the werewolf commando

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werwolf

Werwolf (pronounced [ˈveːɐ̯vɔlf], German for "werewolf") was a Nazi plan, which began development in 1944,[2] to create a resistance force which would operate behind enemy lines as the Allies advanced through Germany. However Werwolf's propaganda value far outweighed its actual achievements.

The nazi were stopped before to really put this force in operation, but I think that's the first time this sort of plan with hard-core subversion, with covert operative to ruthlessly wreak havok behind enmy line with hidden brainwashed ultra violent tactic was used.



This charming crew of "freedom fighter" was lead by

http://Http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Skorzeny

Skorzeny hid out at a farm in Bavaria which had been rented by Countess Ilse Lüthje, the niece of Hjalmar Schacht (Hitler's former finance minister), for around 18 months, during which time he was in contact with Reinhard Gehlen, and together with Hartmann Lauterbacher (former deputy head of the Hitler Youth) recruited for the Gehlen Organization.


Gehlen Org which was mostly the cia at this time.



For me it's really some kind of psychic physics, in term of forces to apply to a human being to turn him into a violent psychopath, I dont think anyone perfected this better than the nazi werewolf.

And where did they find a job after their nazi venture crashed ? Right cia. In charge of south America especially.

Hence nazi being brain architect of "freedom fighter" they got everything from the nazi werewolf. Exactly same propaganda of depending freedom against invader, etc same stuff.

It's not even specially that American are worst or better, but they are the one with kgb who got this "science" and manual to create this sort of massive havok, and complete human disaster with covert para military organisation.

This kind of ultra violent under cover subversive terror group never existed before this.

Middle east dictators are second generation of this, backed either by cia or kgb with those same manuals.

It's not follow the money track, but follow the brainwasher manual track  Cheesy

 
623  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: July 18, 2017, 06:21:41 PM
They can not turn a monkey to a human either Smiley nobody really know how to do this Smiley

Right.

They can't even take dead parts and make them alive again. They can barely revive living parts that are on the  edge of dying. And most of their reviving is simply helping the life to live a little longer... when it doesn't help the dying life to die a little faster.

They can't really bring anything to life.

Cool
Hippocrates funder of medicine said that the best a doctor can do is helping the body to recover, no physician can really do anything else to improve health, the body know how to fix himself.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocrates

Hippocratic medicine was humble and passive. The therapeutic approach was based on "the healing power of nature" ("vis medicatrix naturae" in Latin). According to this doctrine, the body contains within itself the power to re-balance the four humours and heal itself (physis).[26] Hippocratic therapy focused on simply easing this natural process. To this end, Hippocrates believed "rest and immobilization [were] of capital importance."[27] In general, the Hippocratic medicine was very kind to the patient; treatment was gentle, and emphasized keeping the patient clean and sterile. For example, only clean water or wine were ever used on wounds, though "dry" treatment was preferable. Soothing balms were sometimes employed.[28]
624  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: July 18, 2017, 06:03:33 PM
They can not turn a monkey to a human either Smiley nobody really know how to do this Smiley
625  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you trust the United States of America? on: July 18, 2017, 05:17:49 PM
America really is a shady place. It holds too many secrets that are kept away from the public. I heard rumours that the US is providing ISIS a variety of weapons, may it be guns or bombs, which i think is fucked up considering that ISIS is a terrorist group that continues to invade and destroy countries such as Syria. That's why i dont trust america that much.

Not only ISIS lol they did this many time before, starting with south America Smiley

Peru, lybia same combat Smiley

Yeah, they did the same thing in many more countries, Korea, Vietnam, Middle east and so on. Supporting rebels which are fighting for freedom can't be wrong, even if some terrorists get their hands on the "freedom-weapons".

Fighting for freedom with napalm ? Grin

Weapons & Soldiers never made anyone free lol

Allende was freedom, the people revolution in Iran was freedom, both replaced by merci less war criminals extremist backed by cia .. aka pinochet,  so much freedom, iranian sha so much freedom lol

The so called freedom fight ers in Nicaragua were the most violent psychopathe ever made, even worst than ISIS. All trained and formatted by cia.


   Human rights violations   Edit

Americas Watch – which subsequently became part of Human Rights Watch – accused the Contras of:[76]

targeting health care clinics and health care workers for assassination[77]
kidnapping civilians[78]
torturing civilians[79]
executing civilians, including children, who were captured in combat[80]
raping women[77]
indiscriminately attacking civilians and civilian houses[78]
seizing civilian property[77]
burning civilian houses in captured towns.[77]
Human Rights Watch released a report on the situation in 1989, which stated: "[The] contras were major and systematic violators of the most basic standards of the laws of armed conflict, including by launching indiscriminate attacks on civilians, selectively murdering non-combatants, and mistreating prisoners."[81]



In his affidavit to the World Court, former contra Edgar Chamorro testified that "The CIA did not discourage such tactics. To the contrary, the Agency severely criticized me when I admitted to the press that the FDN had regularly kidnapped and executed agrarian reform workers and civilians. We were told that the only way to defeat the Sandinistas was to...kill, kidnap, rob and torture..."[82]

Contra leader Adolfo Calero denied that his forces deliberately targeted civilians: "What they call a cooperative is also a troop concentration full of armed people. We are not killing civilians. We are fighting armed people and returning fire when fire is directed at us."[83]


Yay for freedom lol what else to expect from an organisation who recrute all the nazi lol

Nobody is free until we all are  Grin

626  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: July 18, 2017, 04:56:50 PM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neural_Darwinism



In 1972, Edelman was awarded the Nobel Prize in Medicine or Physiology (shared with Rodney Porter of Great Britain) for his work in immunology showing how the population of lymphocytes capable of binding to a foreign antigen is increased by differential clonal multiplication following antigen discovery. Essentially, this proved that the human body is capable of creating complex adaptive systems as a result of local events with feedback. Edelman's interest in selective systems expanded into the fields of neurobiology and neurophysiology, and in Neural Darwinism, Edelman puts forth a theory called "neuronal group selection". It contains three major parts:

Anatomical connectivity in the brain occurs via selective mechanochemical events that take place epigenetically during development. This creates a diverse primary repertoire by differential reproduction.
Once structural diversity is established anatomically, a second selective process occurs during postnatal behavioral experience through epigenetic modifications in the strength of synaptic connections between neuronal groups. This creates a diverse secondary repertoire by differential amplification.

Reentrant signaling between neuronal groups allows for spatiotemporal continuity in response to real-world interactions. In "The Remembered Present" (1989) and later, "Bright Air, Brilliant Fire: On the Matter of the Mind" (1992) and "A Universe of Consciousness: How Matter Becomes Imagination" (2001; coauthored with Giulio Tononi), Edelman argues that thalamocortical and corticocortical reentrant signaling are critical to generating and maintaining conscious states in


https://www.google.fr/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://ccrg.cs.memphis.edu/assets/papers/2004/Seth%2520%2526%2520Baars%252C%2520Neural%2520Darwinism-2004.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwiw1ZHjpZPVAhXICMAKHeyDDFMQFgiFATAU&usg=AFQjCNFBReOAWnbpc2R1lYiPSNrwrrmrKA
627  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Blockchain voting . We can change the world on: July 18, 2017, 03:37:27 PM
It would only be as good as the people who run it - its citizens.



Which at any rate would not be worst than the elitist cabale running it today, would it ?
628  Other / Politics & Society / Re: ISIS is nothing compared to U.S. cops. on: July 18, 2017, 03:22:10 PM
https://youtu.be/__KnmbmkSdc

Mark Passio All Cops & Soldiers Are Bad People

Nuf said   Grin

ISIS is just another brand of cops/soldier enforcing a different law.

Can always argue on the degree of brainwashing and amount of damage done by one or the other, but fundamentally it's the same logic.
629  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: July 18, 2017, 02:54:20 PM
It was Eve's doubts that started her on the trail towards eating the fruit. Why did she doubt? Because she COULD doubt, and it seemed fascinating to examine this doubt thing. The sin that her doubts brought her to has infected the whole world, and even the universe.

Keep it up. Keep on doubting that God knows what He is talking about when He talks to mankind. Keep on not believing what He tells you when He tells it straight out to you. We are no different than Eve... except that we would have fallen into sin a lot faster.

Cool

Eve was tricked by the snakes which was the wisest creature made by god !

And then they realize all the work that has to be done to get where they were, and start to be fully conscious of good & bad instead of just living by the word of god, and thus open the potential to become more like god .

Need to tell the whole story too !  Grin

It's the principle of double discrimination in Islam,  which is the whole purpose of religion Smiley
630  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: July 18, 2017, 02:50:42 PM
Maybe it has to be seen as unit of time span through which an action can take place.

Not even god can do everything at once Smiley

Day is kinda the time atom.
631  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Computer programing ethic on: July 18, 2017, 02:04:03 PM
I found a book that seems interesting Smiley

Designing Games for Ethics: Models, Techniques and Frameworks

https://books.google.fr/books?id=yqNeVKZbCiwC&pg=PA36&lpg=PA36&dq=jonathan+blow+evolution&source=bl&ots=-V7HjDkClj&sig=0nYmenW6szuAn1K4Psw4UT5T8sU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi028P96ZLVAhXLAcAKHcciDg44ChDoAQhbMBI#v=onepage&q&f=false
632  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you trust the United States of America? on: July 18, 2017, 01:38:53 PM
America really is a shady place. It holds too many secrets that are kept away from the public. I heard rumours that the US is providing ISIS a variety of weapons, may it be guns or bombs, which i think is fucked up considering that ISIS is a terrorist group that continues to invade and destroy countries such as Syria. That's why i dont trust america that much.

Not only ISIS lol they did this many time before, starting with south America Smiley

Peru, lybia same combat Smiley
633  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Health and Religion on: July 18, 2017, 01:37:16 PM
From neurology, the concept of health has lot to do with the mind or nervous system capacity to link perception of environment and inner state / physiology.

It's not very hard to see how understanding of self and "intelligence" play out in survival and maintaining the biological system healthy , and how negative emotion , stress, anger have negative effect on health.

In cognitive therapy they put lot of importance in the connection between belief, emotional state, and general health.

Early spiritualists knew this connection very well, it's found all into budhism, yoga, Shamanism etc.

One would say goal of religious practice is to refine those belief to get better health.

Actually there is a lot in aryuveda & yogic teaching confirmed by science and neurology.

I would even go as far as to say science is only scratching the surface of what is known by spiritualists or yogi since dawn of time.


Thank you for sharing those insights and observations. It' i good to see someone else believing what I do, no matter how un-mainstream it is. 

I will un do the wise he said Smiley
634  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: July 18, 2017, 01:33:35 PM


You and your science guys all over this thread arent addressing actual questions, you are merely offended by the fact, that somebody even has audicity to question Mr. Darwins theory. Darwin was anglican christian by the way.


I just did man!
And there is no problem with evolution and religion as long as you're not dumb enough to think that god created all species. You can believe that god created the world AND the evolution process.

And we're offended by the fact that you reject this scientifically proved theory without giving any argument :/

I don't think that religion and science are in conflict.
After all, when you read first book in Bible, Genesis, you see perfectly scientific explanation about the beginning of universe and planet earth.
From day 1 to 7 God created sky, earth, water, land, animals...
How people 5000 or 6000 years ago could know such facts?
You can think that God couldn't create everything in just 6 days but do you really think that we are talking here about literal 6 days with 24 hours?
In other place in the bible, Peter said: Don't you know that for God one day is like 1000 years and 1000 years as one day?
So, if we change term 6 days with 6 periods of development of the universe, than God's creation and evolution have no difference.
Just, evolution can't answer question about the beginning of universe.
Religion can answer it. It's only difference between evolution and religion.




Just bouncing on this Smiley

The "days" of Genesis cannot be "earth day" because the first day happen before the sun & planet were created Wink

The first day was a day because God was holding it as a day.

Cool

But it's not astronomic time measure based on calendar like we measure time now Smiley

It's more to be seen as steps , or phase in the making. Not sure it even imply all the days are the same amount of time, or even how to measure time before there are planets or stars Wink

635  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: July 18, 2017, 12:50:28 PM


You and your science guys all over this thread arent addressing actual questions, you are merely offended by the fact, that somebody even has audicity to question Mr. Darwins theory. Darwin was anglican christian by the way.


I just did man!
And there is no problem with evolution and religion as long as you're not dumb enough to think that god created all species. You can believe that god created the world AND the evolution process.

And we're offended by the fact that you reject this scientifically proved theory without giving any argument :/

I don't think that religion and science are in conflict.
After all, when you read first book in Bible, Genesis, you see perfectly scientific explanation about the beginning of universe and planet earth.
From day 1 to 7 God created sky, earth, water, land, animals...
How people 5000 or 6000 years ago could know such facts?
You can think that God couldn't create everything in just 6 days but do you really think that we are talking here about literal 6 days with 24 hours?
In other place in the bible, Peter said: Don't you know that for God one day is like 1000 years and 1000 years as one day?
So, if we change term 6 days with 6 periods of development of the universe, than God's creation and evolution have no difference.
Just, evolution can't answer question about the beginning of universe.
Religion can answer it. It's only difference between evolution and religion.




Just bouncing on this Smiley

The "days" of Genesis cannot be "earth day" because the first day happen before the sun & planet were created Wink
636  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: July 18, 2017, 12:42:10 PM
http://www.reasons.org/articles/harvard-scientists-write-the-book-on-intelligent-design-in-dna



Harvard Scientists Write the Book on Intelligent Design—in DNA

One of the most provocative arguments for intelligent design focuses on the recognition that DNA is an information-based system. Yet skeptics argue that biochemical information is not genuine information. Instead, they assert that when scientists refer to biochemical information, it is merely a scientific metaphor. New research by a team from Harvard and Johns Hopkins University—in which researchers encoded an entire book into DNA—raises questions about this objection and helps to powerfully advance the case for a Creator.
637  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Health and Religion on: July 18, 2017, 11:58:40 AM
The problem with religion is that it tries to brainwash you. It never explains anything, it just states things. God did it, God made it, never explaining anything. There is nothing healthy about religion. It's in fact poisonous to your mind. Almost no one picks his religion, you are just indoctrinated that way. 99.9% of people believe in what they believe because their family just told them that, they never stopped to actually look into it.

Well, actually there were several things explained. The things that were explained were the things that could be understood. These things are the things that happened to people who did or didn't obey God. The Bible is full of these explanations.

The tricky thing has to do with science. If you accept the proof of science things, science is not a religion. But if there is no proof, and yet science is believed to be true, science has become a religion to its believers.

We are finding out what happens when the science religion is adhered to rather than the God religion. There will be more, and it won't be fun. Why not? The God religion is way stronger. The only way we can understand the God religion strength, is to watch for the results.

Cool

Nothing is explained in the bible. It never explains what the universe is or how god made it, it doesn't explain what planets are or stars. It doesn't have any meaningful information about anything. It's just stories and god did it, god made it. Pointless.

Genesis have the correct chronology Smiley

First light  ( big Bang )

Then stars , planets, plants, animal, humans.

No problem with science here.

And the same chronology is found in hinduism/Vedas.

It show the steps of the making, the chronology, etc.

How could they figure this out 3000 year Ago ?

Lots of big scientists studied the bible ( newton, einstein )


And there is the same thing with neurology .


Science is always in trouble with self understanding due to gallilean view of objective truth that remove subjectivity from the equation, and health / psychology is very subjective.

Cant study consciousness with objectivity Smiley
638  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Health and Religion on: July 18, 2017, 12:27:54 AM
From neurology, the concept of health has lot to do with the mind or nervous system capacity to link perception of environment and inner state / physiology.

It's not very hard to see how understanding of self and "intelligence" play out in survival and maintaining the biological system healthy , and how negative emotion , stress, anger have negative effect on health.

In cognitive therapy they put lot of importance in the connection between belief, emotional state, and general health.

Early spiritualists knew this connection very well, it's found all into budhism, yoga, Shamanism etc.

One would say goal of religious practice is to refine those belief to get better health.

Actually there is a lot in aryuveda & yogic teaching confirmed by science and neurology.

I would even go as far as to say science is only scratching the surface of what is known by spiritualists or yogi since dawn of time.
639  Other / Off-topic / Re: Does Hell exist or are we already there? on: July 17, 2017, 11:51:23 PM
With Etherium falling in price?
Yeah, the hell is real, guys!

Dont loose faith  Grin
640  Other / Off-topic / Re: Does Hell exist or are we already there? on: July 17, 2017, 09:54:24 PM
Need to read jabir ibn hayyan  Grin he is the master on this sort of things Cheesy he also invented chemistry Smiley



http://www.ptmistlberger.com/psychospiritual-alchemy.php

The key to alchemy is found in the word transmutation, a word that in its original Latin meaning refers to total change. Physically this denotes a change of the properties of matter, and thus of substance; psycho-spiritually, it refers to inner transformation—in specific, certain actions to aid in freeing the spiritual essence that is ‘trapped’ within (echoing the Gnostic view that spirit is trapped in matter). This idea had its basis in the ancient belief that within the Earth ‘grew’ metals and that, given enough time, these metals would ultimately become gold. Nature was seen as fundamentally engaged in a process of evolution, and the essential idea of alchemy was to speed this process up—in short, to save time.

Spiritual alchemy is concerned with the transmutation of the personality and its structures, so as to allow for the light of unobstructed consciousness and pure Being to be directly known. The direct knowing of pure Being is gnosis, Self-realization. Spiritual alchemy is thus a means by which we re-structure our personality and the various levels of our identification with it, so as to realize the infinite potential of our true being. It is essentially a comprehensive roadmap, using colourful and sophisticated symbols, detailing the means and steps by which we get ourselves ‘out of our own way’ and allow our highest and best destiny to unfold.




Fire: In esoteric studies all elements carry great significance, but in the realm of alchemy, it may be said that fire rules. It is the key, the mastery of which has long been held to be of prime importance by alchemists and shamans of old (as well as by smiths and potters, craftsmen whose work was related in many ways to alchemy). This is because fire is the element of transmutation par excellence, the key to changing things from one state to another—beginning with the most obvious examples of the power of the Sun and the core of our planet to heat the surface of the Earth, allowing for the possibility for life as we know it to develop.12 Of the four qualities mentioned above—hot, cold, wet, and dry—only two, hot and cold, are foundational (being found in space beyond our planet), and as cold is but the absence of heat, in the final analysis only fire (hot) is the essential transformational force. As Titus Burckhardt put it.
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