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6221  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: Overview ICO di tahun 2019 [Berdasarkan data icobench] on: December 23, 2019, 09:27:14 AM
Berarti untuk menjaga kestabilan harga, apakah tim harus ikut campur tangan didalam market ?? Jika hal ini yang dilakukan, maka tim developer sudah melakukan proses manipulasi market dan tentunya kondisi ini tidak bagus buat market itu sendiri.

Ane rasa ini masuk wilayah abu-abu om. Buyback juga bisa dibilang manipulasi market, token burn juga bisa dibilang manipulasi. Pemanfaatan market maker untuk menjaga agar spread tidak besar juga bisa dibilang manipulasi.

Kalau dilihat dari kasusnya Binance yang ngepump habis-habisan di awal sih kayaknya ga ada pihak yang merasa dirugikan, kecuali yang belinya telat.
6222  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What sets the price of Bitcoin? on: December 23, 2019, 09:19:41 AM
How do the various exchanges determine the price? Whats to stop one exchange selling at $5000 and another for $3000? How do they synchronise their pricing and why do they differ slightly?

Just want to add another point for this. If such thing happens (either one exchange is overpriced or underpriced), then some traders will use that opportunity to buy/sell their Bitcoins to get some profits. After that, if the liquidity is enough, the price will eventually come back to the market price (same as other markets).

Most traders won't use an exchange with very small liquidity. So even if that arbitrage opportunity exists, the risk would be greater than the benefits, and the exchange will eventually cease to exist.
6223  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Best wallet on: December 23, 2019, 05:59:24 AM
I have a question, are those wallets built by Atomicwallet.io or are they simply links to official wallets of these coins?

You mean links like https://atomicwallet.io/bitcoin-wallet? Pretty sure it will redirect to their app.

Anyway, asking on their social media or official thread might give you a better answer.
6224  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How to stay private when using Android (protonmail blog) on: December 23, 2019, 05:49:25 AM
'Don't use Google search' — I just can't find the fluidity that Google search has to other search engines.

Try Duckduckgo. I'm not sure what kind of fluidity you're seeking here but it's clear that thing is built from collecting hundreds of petabytes of users data.



Im not sure if Opera GX browser is already working on android but it has a built-in vpn for users privacy just enabled it and you're good to go.

IIRC Opera Mini already supports VPN (or at least a built-in proxy). Good enough as long as you don't use it for risky activities such as logging on your web wallet.
6225  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread (EPL) on: December 23, 2019, 05:22:55 AM
Looks like the 'Big 6' is going to change after all. Welcome, Sheffield and Wolves.

Forget about Pogba and build a team up without him is better for Manchester United.

Some argue that his attitude when he's under Mourinho is because he didn't like him, not United. Regardless of which one is true, football players should act professionally on and of the pitch.
6226  Economy / Exchanges / Re: HitBTC/ Trade Satoshi/ P2PB2B/ WhiteBit reviews on: December 23, 2019, 05:06:11 AM
HitBTC & P2PB2B must be avoided at all costs for me. Too many shady details.

Why not try with P2P trading? Make a post here to sell your coins and wait for it, or request help from somebody trusted to sell your coins on Changelly (which as you said is forbidden for you). The fees might be higher but I think it's worth it, compared to risking all your coins to some shady exchanges.

That said, I wonder what your coins are. If they're 'good' coins you should be able to sell them on other exchanges.
6227  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Any working sites to buy cigarettes with BTC on: December 23, 2019, 04:43:27 AM
-snip-

OP already knows about dutyfree anyway (check his post again), and it seems he's looking for other alternatives.

$250 is not a small amount for cigarettes.
6228  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Urgent - Cannot find Electrum wallet and the bitcoins in it on: December 23, 2019, 04:21:30 AM
-snip-

Certainly won't solve the OP problem because he didn't even use Electrum for Bitcoin.
6229  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Price pressure of exchanges on: December 23, 2019, 04:13:42 AM
My point is:
It is way (probably multiple times?) easier for the exchanges to create fake BTC liquidity. Because of this their price pressure/manipulation capability is magnitudes higher on pushing BTC price down than on push it up.

Yep, really easy compared to fiat manipulation. But they'll be in trouble if some users withdraw a lot of bitcoin. I believe when this happens they'll likely start selective scamming by disabling withdrawal for some users and that's when they screwed up.

To be honest it's really difficult to find out exactly how many BTC an exchange hold. They can lie, fake it, and so on. Which is why leaving your coins on exchange is terrible.
6230  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: Overview ICO di tahun 2019 [Berdasarkan data icobench] on: December 22, 2019, 01:54:23 PM
Yup, daripada nyari" ICO lagi, ane lebih milih mengakumulasi token" yang ane anggap potensial aja. Setelah itu nunggu beberapa tahun ke depan ketika ada kesempatan pump lagi buat mengambil profitnya.

ICO (dan sebentar lagi IEO/STO) kayaknya bakal mati suri, dan mungkin bakal hidup lagi kalau ekosistemnya udah dewasa dan mapan.
6231  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2019/20 on: December 22, 2019, 01:41:58 PM
If I would want to see a match of tactics I would watch chess. Football is about getting the ball and try to score. Not waiting for your opponent to make a mistake.
Of course a match with a thousand goals is more interesting than one with none.

Well, you should watch the third or second division then. Lots of goals there.

They will play their heart out and hope to get at least 1 point from real Madrid if they can.

Well nobody wants to lose, but sometimes you just can't win due to various reasons. But if Madrid sucks hard, any team can beat them. And that seems to be possible to happen. Literally almost every top team is dropping hard this season.
6232  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: Overview ICO di tahun 2019 [Berdasarkan data icobench] on: December 22, 2019, 12:03:42 PM
Ane pribadi menganggap tahunnya ICO booming udah selesai gan. Ga begitu mengagetkan karena pasar juga semakin dewasa dan investor udah kena bubble. Dari ratusan proyek 2 tahun lalu, cuma 2 yang sampai sekarang masih ane ikuti perkembangannya dan semakin bagus. Semoga progresnya juga merembet ke harga token.

Model ICO sebenarnya ga salah, cuma banyak orang kampret yang setelah ICO kerja ga bener. Selama regulasi ga ketat dan selama pasca ICO investor ga ada jaminan mereka kerja, ane rasa ICO bakal mati pelan-pelan. Ga perlu ngomong desentralisasi ini itulah, kalau emang mau ga ada urusan sama pemerintah, ya launch kayak Bitcoin aja.
6233  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Please recommend me a place to sell/buy btc without ID verification on: December 22, 2019, 11:25:51 AM
I checked and went through all the recommendations, since i wanted a solution for peer to peer trading, till now, my best options were bisq network, its very very slow process though unlike LBC or remitano,

That should be expected. OTC trading 'will' always be slow because the number of users and demands for such thing aren't as high as a centralized platform. Especially because you're dealing with fiat.

For the escrow, I think the fees are worth it. There's no other option and the fees aren't as insane as debit/credit withdrawal, which might take up to $10 and can get exponentially larger depending on your tx value. Just go for the old and trusted escrow such as Darkstar, minerjones, etc.
6234  Other / Off-topic / Re: The New crypto Investment project Concept "crypto pool" Cmon Jump in the pool on: December 22, 2019, 05:14:32 AM
What makes you believe this is not a ponzi OP? Because there's no "500% ROI in 1 day!"?

MLM is better than this at least.
6235  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [SHARE] 🌍Website dan Tools Untuk Identifikasi ICO & IEO Palsu / SCAM🌍 on: December 22, 2019, 04:53:09 AM
Sekedar nambahin aja, setahu ane mesin pencari image itu memanfaatkan beberapa teknik, antara lain kesamaan pixel dan manual check (tapi ini sangat jarang). Beberapa gambar yang resolusinya rendah bisa aja diproses dulu dengan teknik tertentu agar pixelnya jadi lebih jelas, sehingga tetap bisa ketemu gambar yang identik. Tapi, kalau pixelnya udah buruk sangat, misalnya diblur sampe tinggal 5-10 pixel, ya tetap bakal sulit untuk mencari gambar yang serupa karena jelas gambar yang bisa dianggap mirip lebih banyak. Oleh karena itu kalau ada yang HD mending pake yang HD aja (HD dalam arti kualitasnya oklah, ga jelek dan ga bagus-bagus amat).
6236  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Hitungan Mundur Halving Bitcoin on: December 22, 2019, 04:40:41 AM
Buat apa bikin thread baru kalau udah ada thread diskusi harga. Tinggal pos di sana aja biar jawaban yang udah sering diposting muncul sendiri.
6237  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Bitcointalk Merit Dashboard on: December 22, 2019, 04:18:59 AM
Masih penasaran dengan pemberian sistem poin merit sejauh ini, jika kita tidak dekat dengan beberapa user DT dari Indonesia kesulitan untuk mendapatkan poin merit meskipun kualitas postingan yang kita buat tidak kalah bagusnya, karena saya lihat ada beberapa akun lokal yang poin merit didapatkan dari orang yang sama terus, mungkin hanya sebatas teman dekat yang bisa mendapatkan poin merit sejauh ini.

Edan. Masih aja ada yang berpikir begini. Ini emang diyakini atau sekedar ngelempar isu aja buat bahan post?

Lama-lama ga ngirim ke member Indo juga ane, capek ngingetin dan njelasin ke orang yang ga mau baca.
6238  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread (EPL) on: December 21, 2019, 12:29:55 PM
Manchester City will face Leicester city today in an important game for both teams, the difference between the is 4 points leading by Leicester, and the Citizens will fight to win this game and assure to Reduces the difference between them, well I will bet for Manchester City to win this game for sure.

A draw would be good for Liverpool.

I expect Leicester will be the one who sits on the line and wait for the opportunity to counter City. They might be able to score 1 or 2 depending on how the chances come. If I were you, I won't bet on this match as the outcome is difficult to predict.
6239  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [ DISKUSI ] Menurut Kalian Seperti Apa Sih ICO Yang Bagus dan Terpercaya? on: December 21, 2019, 11:49:18 AM
bukannya semua token transparan ya pengirimannya, jadi kalau memang itu datang dari pihak dev atau tim kan ketauan mereka ngirim ke market mana, sehingga skema pump dan dump akan terdeteksi, seperti koin matic yang gara2 pengiriman dari token foundation terus terjadi FUD akhirnya dump besar. prinsipnya memang harus main cepat juga sih ya jangan hold terlalu lama karena memang sangat rawan manipulasi.

Tidak semua tim transparan tentang wallet mana yang mereka punyai. Selain itu tidak semua exchange juga jelas alamat depositnya (yang baru), sehingga bisa aja dump dulu baru ketahuan kemudian.

Apalagi kalau menggunakan mixer atau dump lewat otc dan kemudian pembelinya menjual lewat market biasa.
6240  Economy / Reputation / Re: Account farmers at work on: December 21, 2019, 10:26:43 AM
I think you should push this issue to your bounty manager. It's impossible for the staff to filter out which people is legit because they don't have access to the spreadsheet. And as you said on your post, the bounty manager should do a better job.

Sometimes you can even find names like satoshi, theymos, etc on the spreadsheet, and some lazy manager would still count it. Ask the bounty manager to require proof of authentication to solve this. If he don't change, post on that thread that you didn't join that bounty at all.
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