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641  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Adam Kokesh arrested at Philidelphia marijuana rally on: May 19, 2013, 04:11:08 AM
An obvious attack because of his planned armed protest in DC planned for July 4th.

Maybe, maybe not. Once the arrests start at these rallies, they cast the net pretty wide. How many other arrests were there?
642  Other / Meta / Re: Please report newbies who are copying old posts on: May 19, 2013, 03:44:44 AM
Caught one. Made it out of Newbie, still doing it.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=106207
643  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Let the Machines do the Work (The end of Slavery) on: May 19, 2013, 02:48:45 AM
ol, mining is definitely a solution. The more people mine the more valuable coins become the more alt coins will be made. And eventually every region wil have its own coin, and everyone will be supporting their own local economy, which will be driven by the robots.
Surely you meant to do more than copy/paste something the OP said?

That's not a copy and paste of what I said.
You're right, it's missing the 'l' at the start.

lol, mining is definitely a solution. The more people mine the more valuable coins become the more alt coins will be made. And eventually every region wil have its own coin, and everyone will be supporting their own local economy, which will be driven by the robots.

Note: even has the misspelled "will" in "And eventually every region wil have its own coin."  Cheesy
644  Other / Meta / Re: Annoying "reputation" threads in off topic.... on: May 19, 2013, 02:25:08 AM
Almost all precious metal trading forums have this.
We're not a trading forum, is the thing. Not really. For trading, there's Bitcoin-otc.
645  Other / Meta / Re: Annoying "reputation" threads in off topic.... on: May 19, 2013, 02:00:34 AM

I feel the same as you do with the rep threads, do not really want to encourage them, but that was a lot moved out of off topic.
It's one of those things, [what can ya do?].

Least we have an option to ignore reputation thread, rather ignoring the users.

Thanks, theymos.

So theymos gave in to peer pressure.
I prefer to think of it as "listened to the wishes of his people." Wink
646  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This is the thread where you discuss free market, americans and libertarianism on: May 19, 2013, 01:27:21 AM
For the third time:
Markets existed in Ireland when it had no state, and in Iceland, when it had free-market law.  So your premise that "some non-voluntary monopoly (e.g.: a government) might be necessary in order to create suitable conditions for markets." has already been dis-proven by history.

And then they invented alcohol. Wink
Don't their tribal mini-kingdoms count as governments? Seems like you're arguing semantics.
Voluntary, non-contiguous tribal mini-kingdoms. ie, not a non-voluntary monopoly.  Kiss
647  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This is the thread where you discuss free market, americans and libertarianism on: May 19, 2013, 01:15:51 AM
I don't. I use the same tone with the man on the bus who tells me how microchips in my blender are controlling my brain through subliminal messages on my microwave. However, you're not here to try to eat my face, so I feel comfortable laughing, first ( Cheesy ).

Markets still require foundations on which they can be built.
So they do. We've established communication is one, and that a State is not needed for communication. What other foundations are required for Markets, and how do they require a State?
You didn't provide any argument to dispute my point.
You must have missed it. I'll repeat it:
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Certainly communication is required, but not a State. For instance, take two traders who do not share a language. They can (and have in the past) create a shared language, in order to facilitate trade. No State (or even parents) required.

And you haven't even begun discussing how An-Cap could provide a superior framework for markets.
No, I haven't. We're still letting you make your case.
648  Other / Off-topic / Re: What is your favorite movie to code to? on: May 19, 2013, 12:48:28 AM
Happy ignorance to you.

Seeing as how it's ignorance of your opinion, yes, it is indeed quite happy.

But all is not lost, little shmuckling! You can convince me your opinion is worth listening to. It won't be easy, given how hard you have worked over the years to convince me otherwise. But it can be done. The first step is to convince me you're not a total douche-bag. Stuff like "After that, I'll allow you to code with the movie playing on your third screen" acts contrary to that goal, btw.

Good luck! Kiss
649  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This is the thread where you discuss free market, americans and libertarianism on: May 19, 2013, 12:40:05 AM
Profit is an accounting delusion.
Cheesy Oookaaay...

But anyway, you're not off the hook on this yet:

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some non-voluntary monopoly (e.g.: a government) might be necessary in order to create suitable conditions for markets
BECAUSE...
In order for people to trade, first they need to be able to communicate with each other.
In order to be able to communicate, they need to learn to communicate.
Somebody needs to supply those skills. For example, parents teach their children basic skills.
However, is that a market? No, it is not. Call it evolutionary programming or whatever -- it's NOT A MARKET.
Even if you claim that markets only require 'supply' and 'demand', and participants, those participants still need to be able to follow the established rules. What rules, you ask? Whatever rules are created as a result of the participants communicating with each other prior to the market being able to function.
OK, so, because parents need to teach their children how to communicate in order for those children - once grown - to establish a market, therefore we need a monopoly government. Suuuuure....

Certainly communication is required, but not a State. For instance, take two traders who do not share a language. They can (and have in the past) create a shared language, in order to facilitate trade. No State (or even parents) required.
650  Other / Off-topic / Re: What is your favorite movie to code to? on: May 19, 2013, 12:26:40 AM
If you'd actually answer the question (about 2001) and follow through with subsequent questions posed to you, you might see exactly how you're missing out because of your stubborn attitude.
I'm not missing out on anything. As I said, your opinion carries zero weight with me. Not positive, not negative. Zero.
651  Other / Off-topic / Re: What is your favorite movie to code to? on: May 19, 2013, 12:13:53 AM
Which of my movie recommendations are you going to start with first (with drink in hand)?
What makes you think your advice carries any weight with me?

The answer to the question can be answered logically through a series of questions.
No need for all of that. You're a pretentious ass. Your opinion carries exactly zero weight with me.
652  Other / Off-topic / Re: What is your favorite movie to code to? on: May 18, 2013, 11:58:04 PM
Which of my movie recommendations are you going to start with first (with drink in hand)?
What makes you think your advice carries any weight with me?

The fact is, they're all horribe movies to code to. You admit yourself that they require a decent amount of attention.
653  Other / Off-topic / Re: What is your favorite movie to code to? on: May 18, 2013, 11:49:09 PM
After that, I'll allow you to code with the movie playing on your third screen.

Oh thank you, Master! May I drink a soda while I do so, or must it be Evian? Roll Eyes

You may drink whatever you wish.
Your benevolence knows no bounds.
654  Other / Off-topic / Re: What is your favorite movie to code to? on: May 18, 2013, 11:43:26 PM
After that, I'll allow you to code with the movie playing on your third screen.

Oh thank you, Master! May I drink a soda while I do so, or must it be Evian? Roll Eyes
655  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Let the Machines do the Work (The end of Slavery) on: May 18, 2013, 11:41:02 PM
ol, mining is definitely a solution. The more people mine the more valuable coins become the more alt coins will be made. And eventually every region wil have its own coin, and everyone will be supporting their own local economy, which will be driven by the robots.
Surely you meant to do more than copy/paste something the OP said?
656  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This is the thread where you discuss free market, americans and libertarianism on: May 18, 2013, 11:22:03 PM
I am beginning to think AnCap may have long-term eugenic effects, as those who cannot adhere to NAP are slowly weeded out of the gene pool via self-defense.  As to whether this is a good thing or a bad thing, well, don't ask me, I'm just a clever talking monkey.
A descendant of a long line of increasingly clever talking monkeys (well, you wanna get all technical about it, apes), in fact. It's telling that so many critics of AnCap say that it would be Darwinism as though that were a bad thing.
657  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This is the thread where you discuss free market, americans and libertarianism on: May 18, 2013, 09:35:10 PM
Human nature was perverted by the state enforcing remote property claims. Mutual Aid is human nature.
And by this logic, after nearly a century of Communist rule, Russians should all have been "fixed," and mutual aid have been the rule, right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Bloc_economies#Black_markets
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Black markets were created that were often supplied by goods stolen from the public sector. A saying in Czechoslovakia was "if you do not steal from the state, you are robbing your own family." This second "parallel economy" flourished throughout the Bloc because of rising unmet state consumer needs. Black and gray markets for foodstuffs, goods, and cash arose. Goods included household goods, medical supplies, clothes, furniture, cosmetics, and toiletries in chronically short supply through official outlets.
Oh, maybe not.

So, what "perverted human nature" there? The state enforcing common property?
658  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This is the thread where you discuss free market, americans and libertarianism on: May 18, 2013, 08:59:30 PM
So the pilgrimz werent eeevil imperialist proto capitalists?!?!?!?!?
Nope, they intentionally set up a communist society. Which promptly started to starve to death. Until:
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All this while no supply was heard of…. So they began to think how they might raise as much corn as they could, and obtain a better crop than they had done, that they might not still thus languish in misery. At length … the Governor (with the advice of the chiefest among them) gave way that they should set corn every man for his own particular, and in that regard trust to themselves…. And so assigned to every family a parcel of land … for that end, only for present use…. This had very good success, for it made all hands very industrious, so as much more corn was planted than otherwise would have been by any means the Governor or any other could use, and saved him a great deal of trouble, and gave far better content. The women now went willingly into the field, and took their little ones with them to set corn; which before would allege weakness and inability; whom to have compelled would have been thought great tyranny and oppression.
Private property FTW!

I bet you have a bank account, or pay taxes. Way to pay troll tolls.
You know what they say about assuming....
659  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Make sure you pay your taxes to the government that spies on you! on: May 18, 2013, 08:39:34 PM
Bitcoin does not equal no taxes, it never has, it never will.
If taxation is defined as a government taking your money without your consent, it does.

Bitcoin is no different from cash income.  You can be as shady as you want and pay as little tax as possible but if you live in a big house, have a big car, kids in private education and the like, you can expect to be forced to pay tax.  The taxman just won't accept you word for it that you have no income.
Except with cash, they can seize the funds (assuming they can find them - a safe assumption). It's not as easy with Bitcoin.

Sure, they can take the assets - the car, the house, etc, but that rips the velvet glove off that iron fist.

Where do you live?  The taxman always takes a charge on your house to collect overdue taxes.  There is no velvet glove.  They don't say "Please"
Typically they just take your money, first. Yank it right out of the bank. If they can.
Bitcoin is a tool, to let those who wish to deny the tax man what he seeks do so a little easier. It's far from a cure-all. But it helps.
660  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This is the thread where you discuss free market, americans and libertarianism on: May 18, 2013, 08:35:58 PM
Google "commons" and tell me if you see land or not.
Funny... this came up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons
Self interest over total gain- precisely my criticism of the trappings of what amounts to a purely capitalist impulse.
So, you want to change human nature, then? Then you're doomed to fail.
We figured that out as early as Plymouth Colony:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard130.html
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The experience that was had in this common course and condition, tried sundry years and that amongst godly and sober men, may well evince the vanity of that conceit of Plato's … that the taking away of property and bringing community into a commonwealth would make them happy and flourishing…. For this community … was found to breed much confusion and discontent and retard much employment that would have been to their benefit and comfort. For the young men, that were most able and fit for labour and service, did repine that they should spend their time and strength to work for other men's wives and children without any recompense. The strong … had no more in division of victuals and clothes than he that was weak and not able to do a quarter the other could; this was thought injustice…. Upon … all being to have alike, and all to do alike, they thought … one as good as another, and so … did … work diminish … the mutual respects that should be preserved amongst men…. Let none object this is men's corruption … all men have this corruption in them…. (William Bradford, Of Plymouth Plantation, New York: Knopf, 1952, pp. 120–21.)

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I don't pay trolls to keep trolling me.
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