Millions of people are going to hate bitcoin after the coming crash. It's going to be far worse than 2011.
We can get a 50% crash at any moment. But I'll say it again: It won't be like 2011. The parabolic blowoff in 2011 was a fall from $32 to $17. Then the Gox hack. Then all sorts of other hacks and scams. It was really depressing. It seemed like no bitcoin business could keep customers' assets safe. Things were extremely immature. It was all that secondary stuff that drove the price from $17 to $2. The bitcoin ecosystem as a whole is MUCH more developed and professional than in 2011. Sure, quite a ways to go, but you've gotta admit that the difference is tremendous. A 'flash crash' right now would take us down to $100 - $110. To be honest, I'd set the buy wall at $110 and still be nervous of missing it. 50% is a fantasy -- and even if it did drop by 50%, that would still be a *gain of over 50% month-on-month*. I'll just let that sink in for a moment... Makes one a little less jittery, right?
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So are the bulls all in or do you have ammo to dampen the weekly dump?
Look at the bid wall :-) There is your answer... $110 looks like an absolute minimum floor right now.
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Nearly lunch time here :-)
I'm looking forward to the traditional Europe rush starting in a few hours :-)
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The volumes aren't all that high right now though as far as I can see -- all relatively small trades running the price up a few dollars each way.
I have BTC on BTCChina -- I just thought about unloading a bunch of BTC there, but there is no depth. I'm looking in the order book... If I want to unload only 50 BTC, it would knock almost 10% off the price!
Nothing too much to get excited about here.
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The volumes aren't all that high right now though as far as I can see -- all relatively small trades running the price up a few dollars each way.
Same on BTC China. I just thought about unloading a bunch of BTC there, but there is no depth. I'm looking in the order book... If I want to unload only 50 BTC, it would knock almost 10% off the price!
Nothing too much to get excited about here.
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Yawn.
Heard this shit before.
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I wonder how it feels to have sold under $100 3 days ago!
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btcchina.com seems to be picking up momentum.
Also, BTC is $144.55 vs. $121 here.
arb opp?
Good for arbitrage, yes.. but don't speculate on BTC based on China price; The China price tends to just follow the Gox price, only a bit higher. Usually when Gox falls, China does too. I wouldn't necessarily view it as a sign of significantly higher demand in China.
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Things are kind of reaching a fever pitch here. Anyone else scared? Even a bit?
Yes, a bit. The forum is showing that giddy kind of euphoria with lots of swagger and bravado and posts about huge anticipated prices that once often sees at the top in a market. This always gets trotted out during gains. I've only been active on these forums for a few short weeks (since ~$30-odd), but it seems that it's like clockwork: After every big gain, people get nervous and start calling out irrational exuberance. However, it seems the real irrationality is usually always on the side of the bears.
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Things are kind of reaching a fever pitch here. Anyone else scared? Even a bit?
Not at all. This is exactly the same behaviour as when we breached $50. The % gains aren't all that odd -- same as before. Only now the numbers are bigger.
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Fair enough. What do you have to say to the people saying we've been tracking BTC China and that the price is going to gap up to at or near where they are? $140ish currently, I think.
BTC China usually tracks Gox (but a few $ higher), but has got ahead of itself. Just because the absolute value on BTCChina is higher, it does not mean Gox is following it. However, there is no evidence that this is a top. Lines prove nothing.
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... just a normal Tuesday / Wednesday then!!
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The BTCChina price tends to track Gox movement fairly reliably -- it has run-ups then holds waiting for Gox to catch up. The second Gox starts to fall, people sell on BTCChina. It's easy to arbitrage the gap sometimes. The graph on the homepage is a little gimped -- it swallows up sharp drops and rises. Most of the money right now in China is speculative, predicated on global demand going up. But there is a huge potential market of murky money looking to escape China's tight regulatory controls. I think some of the run-ups like we're seeing now are due to that. I'm working on my own Bitcoin project for China, hope to release it in a few days.
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That's a giant monolith of a bid wall... are we going through 100 on a Saturday???
I would've been truly happy to stay above 80 for the weekend. If we come anywhere near 100, next week will be remembered for a long time in the history of Bitcoin. Me too, glad I'm all in again. The flash crash was a great opportunity.
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That's a giant monolith of a bid wall... are we going through 100 on a Saturday???
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I think it may sink below $70 tonight, and then it's ooooonnnnn! ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif) Good luck with that lol. Thanks, smoothie. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Don't know about you -- but I was quite jittery going into Thursday; I took some profits at $90 and missed out on the top, but then was able to re-buy in at the bottom. The market responded very well to what was clearly an organised assault by people speculating in LTC. Before I thought we were starting to look shaky at $90; however given the jump back up, just prior to what was looking like a shaky long weekend with weak buying pressure, I think we look much stronger. The floor is much higher and stronger than expected, and I think we will now have a sideways correction at this level for a few days as confidence fully returns. Organized assault on people speculating on LTC? ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) WTF! Do you have any idea on how stupid that sounds? A DDOS on Mt Gox and other exchanges commenced before the sell-off began. LTC:BTC began rising significantly a few hours before the sell-off began. There are a few other posts here about it -- someone else reported this on Twitter too. Seems quite plausible to me. EDIT: Here you go: http://www.btcanalyst.com/2013/03/someone-did-something-p.htmlOf course it may just be a coincidence, but it fits. It sounds a lot less ridiculous than saying "the price reached an arbitrary line drawn on my chart so it crashed". However, I do agree that the timing was perfect.
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I think it may sink below $70 tonight, and then it's ooooonnnnn! ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif) Good luck with that lol. Thanks, smoothie. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Don't know about you -- but I was quite jittery going into Thursday; I took some profits at $90 and missed out on the top, but then was able to re-buy in at the bottom. The market responded very well to what was clearly an organised assault by people speculating in LTC. Before I thought we were starting to look shaky at $90; however given the jump back up, just prior to what was looking like a shaky long weekend with weak buying pressure, I think we look much stronger. The floor is much higher and stronger than expected, and I think we will now have a sideways correction at this level for a few days as confidence fully returns.
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Market manipulation.
There was a DDoS attack on Mt Gox that coincided with the "crash".
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I think the next time one of these silly forced sell-offs occurs, people will be ready and ignore it.
In fact it would be hilarious if we could somehow agree on a counterattack -- have a bunch of $ waiting, buy their cheap coins and push to a new high.
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