I wonder if it has same owner as dicebitco.in?
Yes, it's the same owner(s). He mentioned it in the official DB thread (now locked). He also said that they're considering launching a DOGE site, but I sense that's no longer the case |
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@bitcoininformation
How did you validate these payment addresses are correct? Was it from the individual enrollment posts throughout the thread or was it from the OP of the signature campaign? I have not personally audited the list to make sure the enrollment posts match your list, however I might want to independently verify these addresses are actually addresses that users intend to have payment sent to. Dicebitco.in may have (intentionally or not) have incorrect payment addresses on the OP. If he was paying out then it would not be an issue, but since any payments sent to any address would be coming from a very limited set of funds it should be somewhat confirmed by each member. Either via PMing all the users in the campaign, starting a new thread for users to post their payout address, or using the address on the user's profile (similar to how PD pays out), or some other way.
Good point. Everyone should double-check their details, just to make sure. My addy and number of posts are correct. |
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Sorry I do not want to part anymore with this site, there is so much evidence of scamming by Mateo.
Please remove me from list, I do not care if I will get any money or not but will not advertise for scamming site.
LOL, thought that's very noble of you, giving up the earnings etc, but then I checked your posts (not one since you enrolled)  |
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I do realise that both of you are in pretty fucked up position, DB just left you a mess to clean up, that's not right. I don't know what are the escrow terms, I hope you did get paid for this. DiceBitco.in said that Dooglus and I could keep everything that's left of the 10 BTC after payment, but I'm not sure if there will be anything left and if there is, if I keep it. That's the thing, it's possible that there will be nothing left and you'll end up working for free, going through all the post (possibly up to 20k), calculating pay-outs, dealing with complaints and basically doing dicebitcoin's work. That's why I suggested this in the other thread (addressed to dicebitcoin): ...
OK. Lets be serious
You decided to call it a day and give up on DB, I understand, don't blame you for the decision. But why the hell do you want us to carry on with the signatures till the end of the month?
Can't you just give both Dooglus and Bitcoininformation a 'green light' to pay everyone sooner? I suggest giving both of them 0.25 for their trouble, and divide the remaining 9.5BTC proportionally to the rank (it's not complicated, I can do the calculation if needed).
In such scenario, everyone should be happy, people would generally get paid slightly less then when reaching max post count, but would be paid sooner and with no further need of posting. Dooglus + Bitcoininformation would get the whole escrow sorted sooner (+would get paid a little) and you wouldn't have to do all the posts verification. Everybody wins.
Sounds reasonable?
Ps I won't have much trouble in reaching the max post count (and I don't spam and am not very active), if other hit the max too, then 10BTC is not enough. If that happens - it's gonna get pretty messed up + there's a risk that Doog and BTCinformation will end up (involuntarily) being responsible for verification of posts.
EDIT: If everyone reaches max post count, it would total 18 BTC
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That's not a rocket science, just pay proportionally. Post the calculation before the payment, so anyone can verify.
That is what we most likely do, no need to attack me/us. And we will our calculations, of course. We want everything to be fair. It was absolutely not my intention to be offensive or anything. I do realise that both of you are in pretty fucked up position, DB just left you a mess to clean up, that's not right. I don't know what are the escrow terms, I hope you did get paid for this. Anyway, massive thanks for trying to sort it out. Whatever decision you'll make - I'll respect it. |
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OK, I'm not trying to enforce early closing, seems like you've already made your minds. But few concerns: I would recommend that everyone who is concerned that DB is a scam should stop wearing the DB signature completely, switch to some other campaign, and at the end of the month we'll pay you out for the 9 days you wore it for.
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Note: If you drop out, we will try to pay you at the end of the campaign. We only have 10BTC and we are not certain if this is enough. Members that stick with the campaign gets paid first, then the ones that dropped out and after that, well, if there is anything left it will be either kept or send back.
So there's no certainty at all whether the early droppers will get paid (anything)? That's inconsistent to what Dooglus said. Also, by allowing early droppers, you don't stick to the original rules. So all the arguments in favour of sticking to the rules and not ending sooner make no sense.
If the 10BTC isn't enough we will have to figure something out. We haven't worked out a plan for that just yet, since Dooglus had to go on a unexpected road trip.
That's not a rocket science, just pay proportionally. Post the calculation before the payment, so anyone can verify. In the unlikely event, if there are some funds left, are you going to keep it (as instructed by DB)? Edited: format |
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I'm not against being paid earlier, given the circumstances have changed somewhat; but independently of what else happened, we did agree to advertise DicebBitco.in for a month, so I'm willing to do so, if they decide to go on with it. Also I wouldn't exactly say DB broke the rules by having Dooglus and Bitcoininformation handle payments - the coins were in escrow to handle any unforeseen events, and this sort of classifies, but it shouldn't give them the power to completely rewrite the rules of the campaign if they so choose.
DB broke the rules. He abandoned the campaign and left it to escrowers. If he's left, who's gonna verify the posts? That's not really the escrowers role, is it? The 10BTC is not sufficient if everyone hit the max post (18BTC needed). |
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I'm not sure, but I think the escrow providers (for this dice sig campaign) should discuss between them (they are only two), and if they both agree, to just send all or most of the coins to all who kept the sigs up to this point divided proportionally.
I agree to this view: send coins now and return unused coins to dicebitcoin. If dicebitcoin want to continue their signature campaign they can make a new thread and have people join. DB said that Dooglus and Bitcoininformation can keep anything that's left. As I mentioned many times before, I 100% agree that campaign should be cancelled. If DB left for good and if 10BTC turns out to be not enough - things are going to be messed up at the end of the month. The funds should be divided proportionally to the rank (disregarding the post count), otherwise all of those who were away etc will feel cheated (by those who already hit the max count). We could make a voting, but the escrowers will make a decision anyways |
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So you and Doog have 100% control, why not end this bullshit and divide the funds proportionally to the rank (as I suggested somewhere above)? You have every right to do it.
Let's not get here yet, however contracts can be voided and I personally think this is an appropriate time to void the contract -- but there is no need: I cannot find anything in the rules the prohibit modification or altering of the signature to add a disclaimer. DiceBitco.in has later claimed that changing or altering it breaks the rules. However, as stated the rules do not prohibit modification. Contracts may not be altered unilaterally. (BitcoinInformation and dooglus, please check email for longer response) You're right, the rules doesn't state anything about alterations. But DB posted somewhere, that whoever does that, will be removed. Doog + BTCinfo seemed to take this as a legitimate instruction and chose to comply with it. The fact is, DB broke the rules by making Doog and BTCinfo responsible for payouts (he was meant to do this, escrow was just to secure the funds and add confidence). So again, Dooglus and Bitcoininformation have every right to close it early (not even to mention that 10BTC may not be sufficient). |
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As long as you're on the list, you should be safe: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=758854.0Dicebitcoin didn't remove any of you so nothing to worry about. And if he removes you later on, bitcoininformation + dooglus can still choose to pay you. . Didn't you follow the huge mess that happened? Anyway, we decided to enforce DiceBitco.in's rules, so if you have a signature that differs from the ones that DiceBitco.in provided, you will be kicked from the campaign and receive nothing. So? That's still he's responsibility to remove participant's. Did you voluntarily put yourself in the position of campaign administrator? Will you also be verifying all the posts at the end of the month (if DB is gone)  In my opinion, since DB has left and since he locked the official thread and instructed you two to pay from the escrowed funds - he's basically ruled himself out from being in charge. So you and Doog have 100% control, why not end this bullshit and divide the funds proportionally to the rank (as I suggested somewhere above)? You have every right to do it. |
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So, if we had changed to Marco's altered sig, are we considered still in or out? I know based on the original rules, we would be out; but, given the current circumstances, could you give us an update?
As long as you're on the list, you should be safe: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=758854.0Dicebitcoin didn't remove any of you so nothing to worry about. And if he removes you later on, bitcoininformation + dooglus can still choose to pay you. |
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The company secretary at Bitstamp is not taking his or her responsibilities seriously. It is a major disappointment to see such an unprofessional attitude at one of Bitcoin's largest exchanges. A few weeks back they were threatened with being struck off the UK company register, clearly because of not filing papers on time. If they want the benefits of UK incorporation, and not give themselves bad publicity, then they need to file all their returns on time at CH. Sadly agree. Looks like they're focused on the fun part of running a business - making money, completely ignoring the regulatory requirements (filing deadlines etc). They've also appointed 3 additional directors, 1 of them in May, 2 in January 2014, but they've notified the CH about it on 28th Aug (so after 7 months!). They really need to get someone who can take proper control of such things. |
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About that get-paid-for-spamming (aka signature-) campaign, I don't get it. How you dare considering yourself eligible for any buttcoin, how can you even show your face here when
1) some gamblers were cheated and lost big butts (yes, not receiving butts you won is a loss)
2) all (remaining) investors were cheated and lost big butts
What did you signature-campaign leeches risk huh ? Nothing. And no, e-reputation doesn't exist. Oh yeah, maybe you're number #237817 on the kill-list of some of the real victims here.
Most people wouldn't promote the site if they knew it was fraudulent. They trusted it was legit, just like the gamblers/investors. And why the fuck do you assume that sig campaign participant cannot also be gambler/investor? |
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cross-post from other thread. What do you think of the idea? Note 5: dooglus and bitcoininformation, please proseed with payments for the sig campaign when it expires. You both have from 5 BTC in escrow from me. If people change their signature, or the funds are more than i sent you, you can keep them as a thank you for the service. What's the fucking point of wearing the sigs for the next 3 weeks? If everyone hit the max post count, the 10 BTC won't be sufficient, we should cancel the campaign and divide the funds proportionally to ranks. Dooglus, Bitcoininformation, any thoughts? That's the best possible route to take currently. We need a response ASAP. (maybe even add a little extra for everyone if there is enough, for all the trouble and so the 10btc get distributed fairly) last month with 100 ppl and higher rates, we paid ~12 btc in total. now rates are lower and post count less. 10 btc are enough to cover it. You decided to call it a day and give up on DB, I understand, don't blame you for the decision. But why the hell do you want us to carry on with the signatures till the end of the month? Can't you just give both Dooglus and Bitcoininformation a 'green light' to pay everyone sooner? I suggest giving both of them 0.25 for their trouble, and divide the remaining 9.5BTC proportionally to the rank (it's not complicated, I can do the calculation if needed). In such scenario, everyone should be happy, people would generally get paid slightly less then when reaching max post count, but would be paid sooner and with no further need of posting. Dooglus + Bitcoininformation would get the whole escrow sorted sooner (+would get paid a little) and you wouldn't have to do all the posts verification. Everybody wins. Sounds reasonable? Ps I won't have much trouble in reaching the max post count (and I don't spam and am not very active), if other hit the max too, then 10BTC is not enough. If that happens - it's gonna get pretty messed up + there's a risk that Doog and BTCinformation will end up (involuntarily) being responsible for verification of posts. |
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Note 5: dooglus and bitcoininformation, please proseed with payments for the sig campaign when it expires. You both have from 5 BTC in escrow from me. If people change their signature, or the funds are more than i sent you, you can keep them as a thank you for the service. What's the fucking point of wearing the sigs for the next 3 weeks? If everyone hit the max post count, the 10 BTC won't be sufficient, we should cancel the campaign and divide the funds proportionally to ranks. Dooglus, Bitcoininformation, any thoughts? That's the best possible route to take currently. We need a response ASAP. (maybe even add a little extra for everyone if there is enough, for all the trouble and so the 10btc get distributed fairly) last month with 100 ppl and higher rates, we paid ~12 btc in total. now rates are lower and post count less. 10 btc are enough to cover it. You decided to call it a day and give up on DB, I understand, don't blame you for the decision. But why the hell do you want us to carry on with the signatures till the end of the month? Can't you just give both Dooglus and Bitcoininformation a 'green light' to pay everyone sooner? I suggest giving both of them 0.25 for their trouble, and divide the remaining 9.5BTC proportionally to the rank (it's not complicated, I can do the calculation if needed). In such scenario, everyone should be happy, people would generally get paid slightly less then when reaching max post count, but would be paid sooner and with no further need of posting. Dooglus + Bitcoininformation would get the whole escrow sorted sooner (+would get paid a little) and you wouldn't have to do all the posts verification. Everybody wins. Sounds reasonable? Ps I won't have much trouble in reaching the max post count (and I don't spam and am not very active), if other hit the max too, then 10BTC is not enough. If that happens - it's gonna get pretty messed up + there's a risk that Doog and BTCinformation will end up (involuntarily) being responsible for verification of posts. EDIT: If everyone reaches max post count, it would total 18 BTC |
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Note 5: dooglus and bitcoininformation, please proseed with payments for the sig campaign when it expires. You both have from 5 BTC in escrow from me. If people change their signature, or the funds are more than i sent you, you can keep them as a thank you for the service. What's the fucking point of wearing the sigs for the next 3 weeks? If everyone hit the max post count, the 10 BTC won't be sufficient, we should cancel the campaign and divide the funds proportionally to ranks. Dooglus, Bitcoininformation, any thoughts? |
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after the incident
everybody try to divest
Bankroll decrease
then someone name MATEO occur
he leach site profit every second
What an irony
BY THE WAY, will dicebit SIGNATURE CAMPAIGN will be continue ?
or it will be SHUT DOWN ??
Dooglus and I both have 5 BTC in escrow (so 10 BTC in total) for the Signature Campaign. If they don't pay their campaign participates, we will use those 10 BTC to pay said participants as good as possible. What if the site goes busted within next few days and the dev goes silent? Are we still suppose to wear the sigs till the end of the month? Would you and Dooglus count the posts yourselves, decide what's constructive or not etc or would you just split it evenly? |
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Invest in a casiṇ (Not dicebitco.in) can be a good choice. Or, buy an automatic trader, program it and then earn What do you mean invest in casino? straight gambling? Some casinos/dices offer the option to invest in house. So you are betting against the gamblers. If the house edge is 1%, the math dictates that you should get a profit eventually (unless someone is lucky and clears all the funds). |
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Air Lituanica
Air Baltic (first airline to accept BTC)
And if any airline doesn't directly accept bitcoins, you can use CheapAir , they accept BTC,LTC and DOGE as payments.
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We're still here, we are working on starting a new marketing strategy and will be pushing SaveCoin with a new branding and approach.
Hi Suresh. That's good to hear. But really think you should post here at least once a week or so (with a brief update, or just to say hello), so the people won't lose their confidence in SPC. Just a friendly suggestion. |
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