Hah, yeah right, I only wish I was that gorgeous. I was just in the process of setting up for some new trolling regarding me not looking like a stereotypical fat dorky furry, but then this whole rape thing blew up.
I don't know who that is. Internet is useful for that though.

I don't think it's comparable, but I don't think it can honestly be compared or dismissed, ether (due to underreporting)

Well, here's one.
http://www.livescience.com/13755-homosexual-lgb-teen-suicide-rates-environments.html
I wonder what the statistics are for girls who were raped who attempt suicide?


No, I'm simply asking why were you raped if you pray and believe in god? Why did god just sit there and watch the whole thing happen? And why do you expect he will do so again, since you admitted that is still a major fear for you? I'm not tring to browbeat you. Those are simply questions I would have in your situation.
I was about your age when I abandoned mine btw. No one had to browbeat me. I simply asked why was god sitting around doing nothing about it. So, I understand if honestly asking this would scare the hell out of you.


And, heh, just remembered something that sort of ties into all these things. On the topic of homosexuality in the bible, and rape, the ONLY male survivor of that entire Sodom and Gomorrah incident just ended up getting raped afterwards.

Those two sound like pretty good safe havens for women, too, since most men there wouldn't be interested in them.

Did I dispute them?


1 in 5 homosexual men are beaten or abused to the point where they attempt to commit suicide, and something like 1 or 2 in 20 succeed. It doesn't have to  be because of rednecks. Just bullies, assholes, and people like your parents, your church, and you.


It's ok. I don't need to convince you.


That is not what I said. I asked WHY is God ignoring those things? As I mentioned, that is one of the big reasons I lost my faith; seeing all the horrible shit happen to people who did not deserve it, and see God sit idly by, even when he's being prayed to. That doesn't bother you in the least?

But I'm still having so much fun! 

No, I do get it, as well as white privilege, and christian privilege. As a homosexual, a rather large portion of the male (and female) population would be interested in doing bad things to me, so, just as you are cautious, I tend to be almost instinctively cautious around very manly (read: redneck) men. You may have someone inappropriately hit on you or rape you, I may have someone say something horrible to me, and beat me up.
You can't say that male rape happens "very very rarely." That's an assumption as stupid as the one I've made, since you have nothing to base that on. If female ape is under-reported, male rape is more so. I'll grant you that male happens much less than female, though, but we men are not all tough and strong. A lot of that is just an act for other men.
In a way, I am actually glad that you felt so angry and "ridiculously offended" by my statement. Shows you may have some potential for empathy. That feeling you felt when I said you're lying? That's pretty much exactly how I feel when people (and you) look at my love for someone and tell me I'm lying about it, I'm just confused, and it's a perversion. You say I don't understand what you feel regarding your experience, and am I horrible person. I say likewise about you for the very same reasons. I've at least realized my mistake on this forum. You can't.

By the way, back to the very very very old issue at this point, why are you afraid of rape? After all, you do pray a lot, and god does watch over you to make sure these horrible things never happen, right? (as I mentioned, from my experience, i don't think he cares, unless those bad things are some kind of learning experiences)

Being a rather girly boy, and being bullied most of my growing up life, I'd like to think I can at least sort of understand your fear. Though I hope this fear isn't consuming too much of your life.

If a thief finds a new calling in life where they can help people, instead of continuing to hurt them like they used to, and you take that away from them, the ONLY thing you will accomplish is making that thief desperate enough to return to hurting others. If Bruce is as horrible as you say he is, I'd much rather have him host a harmless interview show than actively trying to figure out how to scam us out of our Bitcoins.

She's talking about feminists and women's rights issues, not America as a whole.

The incidence of men being raped is much lower, in part because when men get raped, no one even considers it as such, and just says "oh, you got lucky!" Any guy attempting to get help for being raped will be looked upon as weak and broken, since the stereotypical view of men is that they are strong and can protect themselves. Thus, men in your situation don't even bother to report it, instead just holding it in, continuing to pay child support, etc. I'm quite personally aware of that gender stereotype problem as well (no, again, I was not raped), and is also the reason I support the feminist movement's fight against gender stereotypes. You girls are not the only ones being fucked up by it.

Thanks for that. That was actually pretty nice. Sorry about getting angry, too.


Here's my favorite poem, one that I like to think I live by:

Curiosity

Alastair Reid

may have killed the cat; more likely
the cat was just unlucky, or else curious
to see what death was like, having no cause
to go on licking paws, or fathering
litter on litter of kittens, predictably.

Nevertheless, to be curious
is dangerous enough. To distrust
what is always said, what seems
to ask odd questions, interfere in dreams,
leave home, smell rats, have hunches
do not endear cats to those doggy circles
where well-smelt baskets, suitable wives, good lunches
are the order of things, and where prevails
much wagging of incurious heads and tails.

Face it. Curiosity
will not cause us to die–
only lack of it will.
Never to want to see
the other side of the hill
or that improbable country
where living is an idyll
(although a probable hell)
would kill us all.

Only the curious have, if they live, a tale
worth telling at all.

Dogs say cats love too much, are irresponsible,
are changeable, marry too many wives,
desert their children, chill all dinner tables
with tales of their nine lives.
Well, they are lucky. Let them be
nine-lived and contradictory,
curious enough to change, prepared to pay
the cat price, which is to die
and die again and again,
each time with no less pain.
A cat minority of one
is all that can be counted on
to tell the truth. And what cats have to tell
on each return from hell
is this: that dying is what the living do,
that dying is what the loving do,
and that dead dogs are those who do not know
that dying is what, to live, each has to do.

Only black friend I have is a feminist lesbian. Otherwise, no, I don't have black friends. I also think most of my feminist friends would despise you, too. One of the things they fight for is abortion rights, which you I am guessing are very much against. But an even bigger (the biggest?) thing they fight for is gender equality and against gender stereotyping. Religious people do A LOT of gender stereotyping, so they would likely be very cautious around someone as christian and pious as you.

I'm sure at this point, the fact that I was one of the few guys in my university's feminist club, that I marched in the women's righs marches a few times, that I see the fight for women's rights as being intrinsically connected to the fight for gay rights, or that I have been a staunch supporter of women's rights in general for most of my life (both financially and personally), won't really make much of a difference. Perhaps I do have too much anger and hatred, but just for religion, and am somewhat crewed up because of it  

I feel I should explain before this blows too much out of proportion, so here's a reply I was going to make privately to someone else


Yes, I very well may have. Was thinking that this would be a rather awful troll hook, but if she WAS raped, she's ALSO not the first person with that claim I've come across. One rather disgusting person I know was raped when she was in her late teens, and is now totally emotionally screwed up about it, living off of SSI, weighing something like 350 pounds, and being an extreme drama queen. Any attempt to help her with her health, job, or anything else, comes back to "I was raped, I feel so sorry for myself, you and everyone else should too." That specific crutch is sad and sick, and in my view is more damaging than the rape itself was. There are also plenty of other people I've come across, who seem to lack any drive and have a "give me because I'm a victim and I deserve it" mentality, who use other crutches (such as injury or back pain) for their purpose. Perhaps I jumped to conclusions a bit too fast, when I saw Pinkie tell me that about herself as seemingly obvious attempt to make me feel sorry for her. Shit happens, and unless you tell me what you did to get over it, it doesn't work on me any more. However, her intention seems to have been "See, I was hurt too, just like you, so I understand what you're going through," so I've likely made an ass of myself with that one.
As for the comment about the "maybe's," that's actually probably as common as police and mysoginists denying that rape happened. Plenty of teens not even understanding the concept of the word, until someone else tells them how horrible whatever happened to them was, simply because it was sexual (who cares if they consented), forcing the feeling of horror and shame on them for the rest of their lives, and making them feel terrible about something that originally wasn't, in much the same way as churches convince gay kids that what they do or think is actually something horrible.
Heck, the idea that she and her friend did something and she thought it was perfectly fine, then after being discovered by her parents she was convinced by them and her church that what she did was sinful and horrible, but that it's ok and it's not her fault because she was simply taken advantage of and raped, is not that far fetched, is it?

Ok, then why did you suddenly tell me you were raped? What was your point?

Cute, but no.


I said that your story sounds like a "Woes me! Please feel sorry for me!" lie, having been brought in at a rather strange and "convenient" time, and also that if it did happen to you, I wouldn't be surprised that you were hurt more by the people trying to explain what happened to you after the fact than by the actual "rapist," especially if that "rape" was done by the person because of whom you were sent to that camp.
If the rape was done by someone else, like your dad or priest, then I'm sorry, and you really shouldn't be listening to them about religion anyway.

Eternal, maybe, but definitely not infallible, and definitely open to interpretation, as evidenced by the HUGE number of Christian sects. There are also tons of contradictions! (why did God add those in?)

Apologies then. It's just that there are A LOT of people comparing homosexuality to incest, bestiality, rape, pedophilia, etc. and list the things you listed in the same group of sins as homosexuality.


No, no one raped me, or molested me, and I don't believe you. I think that, MAYBE, someone loved you, tried to share something with you, which you consented to and enjoyed, but later you were told by someone else that it was horrible, it was rape, that you were actually really hurt and should feel hurt and ashamed, and maybe you fell into a victim mentality because of it. Regardless, being raped is not an excuse for thinking that sex is perverted and sinful. I remember you saying something about "because you think you're so and so, everyone else must be more sinful than you are?"


There are other ways to say it though. Saul could have simply said that Jonathan has brought shame to the family, and that he is disgusted by him. No reason to bring in perversion, or nakedness thing. Note that there is nothing in there about the mother being naked in public, either. You're the one reading into things and trying to fit them here. I've already pointed out that the shame of someone's nakedness is used often in the old testament to refer to sexual sins. Also, this passage is not proof that Jonathan and David were actually doing anything sexual; just that Saul was also making his own assumptions on the matter. But feel free to reject it though.

You think it's two good friends, I think it's two people very much in love. Nice to know that your opinion of my opinion of two people being in love is the same as "pornographic animal movies." Do you not see how disgustingly twisted your mind is for turning claims of love into "pornographic" "perversion?" Even if you say you're "ok with platonic love," it's obvious you are not, and if you come across it you'll be making the same baseless perverted assumptions.

Anyway, backing up for a moment, that was one quote from the new testament you mentioned. One that you didn't bother to contest regarding the "men having sex with men" referring to male prostitutes. Is that really all the new testament has to say on a grave sin like homosexuality? And, again, what about lesbianism? ANYTHING in the bible saying that's a sin?

You're the one asking stupid questions.

I'll boldly make the assumptive claim that most of the people out there don't actually understand money, or banking, or inflation, and thus don't actually care if it's centralized or not. To them, all their banking is already usually done from one single bank, so they are used to the centralized aspect of their finances. What they care about is convenience, marketing, and cool factor. Beenz failed with that. Bitcoin doesn't depend on that any more than Linux does (I use Windows btw).

I know all that, but how did THIS

http://buttcoin.org/has-bruce-wagner-pulled-off-the-financial-biggest-scam-on-the-bitcoin-community

make the SA goons trolling Bruce into THIS

"can we all agree to stop defending bruce now?"
"If mr. Wagner tells you anything, don't believe it unless you can validate it for yourself. He's lost his credibility."
"If you believed Bruce on this, than let this be a lesson for you. "
"Why do people still listen to Bruce or have anything to do with him?"


I know I'm beating a dead horse, but I'm just not following the "being trolled by someone is more proof that you're a liar/scammer" line of thought.
Meh, whatever.