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661  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: friendly and profitable board for beginners, have you realized it? on: June 04, 2022, 11:29:38 AM
Even with a tip you have to know whether its a good tip with informed knowledge or just a good guess.  Betting blindly will end up with losses anyway as nobody is ever always right, alot of it is knowing when its a high bet and a wild low bet in the hope of it paying off.   Its hard to copy other people exactly as capital management is a personal consideration.     Good idea to watch alot of these threads if new and build up experience how winners are picked etc.

Copying other people's bets is always a bad idea, since each individual bet is part of some kind of strategy (maybe the better uses Martingale when betting on a certain team or bets on the opposite outcome in live mode to get a guaranteed win). If we do not know the meaning of this strategy and cannot copy the next steps in its implementation, then of course our risk will be higher and the result worse.
662  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: European football now belongs to the highest bidder on: June 04, 2022, 11:05:15 AM
If we draw similar graphs for any media business area (for example, for musical groups - I mean boy and girl bands that are created by producers using ready-made templates), then most likely we will get a similar picture - the earnings of the tops are growing far ahead of other market participants. Roughly speaking, winner takes all. Is it fair? Yes. Is it good for the leagues as a whole? No.
But there is only one alternative - the conditional model of the United States (NHL, baseball, etc.), that is, just like the Super League, which scares everyone so much, where there will be hard salary caps, a more equitable distribution of income, etc.
So I find it funny to read statements like this:

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We celebrated last year when the European Super League collapsed, but the current model is only superficially better.
Sure, at least with the current formats there's a *theoretical* chance of a superclub dropping out of the elite. But really...?

Let's be honest: the structures of European club football today are *far* closer to the protectionist,
plutocratic model of the Super League than they are to any kind of "socialist" model that was supposedly at risk from the Super League."

That is, people suffer from the existing model, but for some reason they blame the Super League, which has a more honest and efficient structure. "Plutocratic Super League" - seriously? "Socialist model" - what? This is complete nonsense and fairy tales that UEFA officials tell in order to continue their corruption deeds.
663  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: PH banned online cockfighting - Worst gambling-related cases recorded! on: June 03, 2022, 04:18:52 PM
Maybe I missed something but how are cockfights related to kidnappings?
Let's have this explanation.
Inside the actual cockpit, the person who owns the cock will intentionally place their rooster, an ill one so that they'll get a sure loss as it fights with the opponent rooster.
Then, he and his friends and everyone in their circle will bet on their opponent's cock so that's an assurance that they'll get to win because they know the other rooster is ill, weak, and sick. Now, this is a big loss for the operators and it's cheating on their end, so what these operators do is that they're hiring some people to kidnap them and judge them by hand and most of those kidnap victims were never found, they kidnap the cheaters.

Thanks for the explanation. But this is exactly what I was talking about - if such things happen, then this speaks of much more serious problems in society than gambling at cockfights. If there are some people who put themselves above the law, then they will violate it no matter what area the business is in - cockfighting, some other entertainment or construction. I think the Filipinos should put pressure on their government and the police to deal with these criminal problems. And only after these obvious problems are solved can you do such nonsense as cockfights.
664  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How to Effectively Maximize Profits from Online Crypto Casinos on: June 03, 2022, 03:57:00 PM
I found this interesting article. It is mainly for beginners. It provides the proper guidance on how maximize profits from online crypto casinos. Beginners often find it difficult to win money from an online crypto casino often times because they have no strategy in place. The right techniques that gamblers must take cognizance of to make money and keep money from online crypto casinos are highlighted below:

  • Play free spots
  • Make the most out of casino commission benefits
  • Monitor your funds
  • Play the games that you’re skilled at
  • Be aware of your betting patterns.

Do you have any surefire strategies that works for you which is not in the list above?

You can read the article here: https://blog.bc.game/how-can-you-make-money-effectively-from-online-crypto-casinos/

The only point worth mentioning is the first one. I think it includes bonus hunting. Obviously, if you make free bets, then you will be in profit because you risk nothing. All other points are useful for understanding and managing your funds, but they do not change the balance of power in any way - the casino always has an advantage.
And in general, I must say that the title of the article is too optimistic - to be honest, it should be "how to minimize your losses."
665  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2022 FIFA World Cup in Qatar - UEFA Qualifiers on: June 03, 2022, 03:22:49 PM
I can't imagine a world cup with the absence of some big names in world football,,,the likes of Argentina's Angel Di'Maria,,, Portugal's Cristiano RONALDO,, Argentine's Leo MESSI Brazilians Marcelo,,French's Karim BENZEMA,, Polish Robert Lewandoski,, Uruguay's Luis Suarez and Edison  Cavani,, German's Manuel Nuer,, and so many others that will be calling it an end to thier international careers they will be missed but the good thing is that upcoming stars are always available to replace them and that will be advantage to the different national teams that will be affected.. but surely they will be missed... It's gonna be an interesting world cup because this players that might be playing their last world'cup will want to call it an end to their international career with at least a successful world cup outing..

Your statement looks especially interesting against the background of the fact that there will be no reigning European champions, the Italian team, at this World Cup.
By the way, today Roberto Baggio spoke on this topic, saying that such a format is insane and the European champion should automatically qualify for the World Championship. I tend to agree with him, there is 100 percent logic in this.
666  Local / Разное / Re: Форум недоступен из России on: June 03, 2022, 03:15:57 PM
Странный глюк - сегодня ProtonVPN у меня уже подключение не мог создать (комп включил утром), т.е. по идее "вчерашний" канал должен быть обрублен. Но - всё открывается и всё работает. Чекнул как меня видят сайты - как жителя страны ххх (именно той, которую я выбираю обычно при подключении в ProtonVPN). Кто-нибудь может объяснить природу этого глюка?

Куки могли остаться в браузере от сайта, где вы проверяете как вас видят сайты.

Дело точно не в куки так как доступен твиттер и прочие заблокированные сайты, а когда я зашел на paypal интерфейс был на языке страны ххх, т.е. по факту VPN работает.

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Так и у вас. Вероятно, Proton VPN все таки функционирует, но нестабильно.

Это в любом случае борьба брони и снаряда.

То что работает понятно, но он у меня без автовключения, то есть с утра я вручную попытался создать подключение - не получилось, но канал работает.
В общем, какой-то глюк. Посмотрю потом что при перезагрузке компьютера будет.
667  Local / Разное / Re: Форум недоступен из России on: June 03, 2022, 01:19:09 PM
Мне киньте, пожалуйста.

Вчера у меня ProtonVPN работал без проблем весь день, сегодня с утра уже не может никакое подключение создать. Такое уже случалось, но завтра как раз срок оплаты поэтому не знаю как быть - разрулят они это или нет? У кого какие мнения? Вроде пока нет суверенного чебурнета, лазейки должны быть.
Ссылку отправил. Разрулить то может и разрулят, но вряд ли так быстро.

Mullvad VPN кстати ребята из DOXA раздают: https://doxaxmullvad.org/
Пишут, что работать должен бесплатно три месяца.

Спасибо, теперь хоть будут под рукой оперативные опции решения вопроса.
Пока что решение не принял - вроде к ProtonVPN привык и все устраивает, но ждать у моря погоды тоже смысла нет.

Странный глюк - сегодня ProtonVPN у меня уже подключение не мог создать (комп включил утром), т.е. по идее "вчерашний" канал должен быть обрублен. Но - всё открывается и всё работает. Чекнул как меня видят сайты - как жителя страны ххх (именно той, которую я выбираю обычно при подключении в ProtonVPN). Кто-нибудь может объяснить природу этого глюка?
668  Local / Разное / Re: Форум недоступен из России on: June 03, 2022, 08:14:11 AM
Private Internet Access фурычит без нареканий пока, хотя у них бесплатного доступа нет, но они гарантируют возврат средств в течение 30-ти дней. Не факт, конечно, что их зарубят в течение этих 30-ти дней, но и покупать долгосрочную подписку тоже сейчас несколько рисково, конечно. Могу рефкой кинуть в личку кому надо.

Мне киньте, пожалуйста.

Вчера у меня ProtonVPN работал без проблем весь день, сегодня с утра уже не может никакое подключение создать. Такое уже случалось, но завтра как раз срок оплаты поэтому не знаю как быть - разрулят они это или нет? У кого какие мнения? Вроде пока нет суверенного чебурнета, лазейки должны быть.
669  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [BOXING] George Kambosos vs Devin Haney - Undisputed Lightweight Title - June 5 on: June 02, 2022, 06:12:06 PM
It also seems to me that betting on Kambosos is a good option, since he is formally an underdog and the odds for him are very attractive - 2.6. And the result of this fight is far from obvious, for example, Pacquiao believes that Cambasos will be the winner. In the fight with Lopez, Cambasos was also an underdog, but he won one way or another, I think in the fight with Haney he will try to be the first number and fight from the very beginning. It is believed that Haney is less dangerous in terms of knockout, so he can afford such activity from the very beginning.
Maybe this is good enough but if you look at it from another angle, I still feel that Haney is currently able to overcome Kambosos.
Regardless, Kambosos has been talking too much lately, it seems, and this clearly indicates that he is still anticipating Haney's move and still doesn't know what method to use against Haney in the future.

Of course he has a chance, the result of the fight is not predetermined and both fighters can win. But if we assume that they have approximately equal chances (which, in my opinion, is justified), then it is obvious that it is better to bet on an underdog, since a bet on Haney will bring you only 59% profit, while a bet on Kambosos can bring 132% ( yes, I see that the chances have changed and the odds for Kambosos have been lowered).
670  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ FOOTBALL: UEFA Champions League 2021/22 Season FINAL Real Madrid vs Liverpool on: June 02, 2022, 05:37:09 PM
I was not shocked because I always expected Real Madrid to win but I agree with you that Liverpool will be very disappointed they did not win the game. In the end, Liverpool dominated the game and created more chances and had more shots on target but it all means nothing because they finished as runners-up.

It is difficult to feel sorry for Liverpool for the way they lost the final when they had a much easier route to the final including an easy semi-final with Valencia. Real Madrid had to defeat PSG, Chelsea and Manchester City.

In general, if we judge the tournament after we know the results, then of course there is nothing shocking. Real Madrid once again showed their iron will and the fact that the Champions League is a tournament where they feel like a fish in water. But if you watch the tournament game after game, it's hard not to be shocked by the fact that in every round of the playoffs, Real was an underdog (and sometimes explicit) but eventually beat everyone.
By the way, it's hard to sympathize with Liverpool as they exhausted all their luck in two finals where they won on penalties.
671  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: friendly and profitable board for beginners, have you realized it? on: June 02, 2022, 05:24:16 PM
The fact that you have once won 60 USD by following a tip on this board cannot lead us to conclude that this is a profitable board for beginners.

That it is an entertaining board, I agree, but betting following the tips given here does not seem to me to be a good system to make money, in the same way that betting is not usually a good system to make money in general, rather to pass the time and if you are lucky to win money that day, but not as a system.

I would even first discuss whether there are profitable boards at all, whether professionals write there or beginners. I think if they exist, they are more likely not related to betting, but to arbitrage and surebets, that is, to the fact that are prohibited by most bookmakers. Obviously the board the OP chose isn't that, as it's mostly a fun discussion of games without much emphasis on bets.
672  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2022 FIFA World Cup in Qatar - UEFA Qualifiers on: June 02, 2022, 05:09:32 PM
I can’t believe how bad Scotland were. Scotland were not fully prepared for this game,and that shows they do not have the quality of players to negate that situation. I think preparation was poor and the putting centre mids as  centre backs is a recipe for disaster and it showed. Well, I'm looking forward to Ukraine's next match. Will Wales lose to Ukraine? Fingers crossed.

Perhaps a big role in this defeat was played by the expectations that Ukraine is weak. Bookmakers rated Scotland as a clear favorite, plus a home game, plus endless discussions about whether the players of the Ukrainian national team will be able to prepare for the game in conditions when the country is attacked. Maybe the Scottish players thought that victory was already in their pocket and their thoughts were on the next round, but when they faced strong and motivated opponents on the field, there was no time to readjust.
673  Local / Токены / Re: Все что нужно знать о NFT токенах on: June 02, 2022, 05:02:57 PM
Но никто ведь не заставлял покупателя покупать эти нфт "в два-пять раз дороже", правильно? Чтобы ему теперь очиститься от обвинения, ему достаточно с анонимного кошелька теперь  выкупить эти проданные нфт еще чуть дороже. Тогда у покупателя (который наверно правильнее потерпевший) будет прибыль и какие могут быть вопросы в дальнейшем? Хотя по хорошему, стоит посадить, так как из-за подобного и раздувался пузырь под именем нфт.

Если бы заставляли, то это было бы ограбление, а так обычное мошенничество и "добровольность" тут не значит ничего.
В законах всех стран формулировки примерно одинаковые:

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1. Мошенничество, то есть хищение чужого имущества или приобретение права на чужое имущество путем обмана или злоупотребления доверием, -
3. Мошенничество, совершенное лицом с использованием своего служебного положения, а равно в крупном размере,
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Интересно то, что ловят какую-то до смешного маленькую рыбку - на фоне того, что вся эта сфера на 99,9% состоит из разного вида мошенничеств. Видимо просто пробный камень и прецедент, чтобы формально зафиксировать подконтрольность цифровых активов и любых их производных.
674  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [BOXING] George Kambosos vs Devin Haney - Undisputed Lightweight Title - June 5 on: June 01, 2022, 07:11:03 PM
^^ Because Kambosos was the mandatory of the IBF belt that Lopez hold that time. So he is obliged to fight him. Kambosos beat Lee Shelby to become the mandatory challenger for Lopez then. But we all know what happens next as Kambosos won in a split decision.

Now, he has to defend it against Haney this coming Sunday. Well there's nothing wrong in betting the champion here as the underdog, maybe he can pull it off again.

It also seems to me that betting on Kambosos is a good option, since he is formally an underdog and the odds for him are very attractive - 2.6. And the result of this fight is far from obvious, for example, Pacquiao believes that Cambasos will be the winner. In the fight with Lopez, Cambasos was also an underdog, but he won one way or another, I think in the fight with Haney he will try to be the first number and fight from the very beginning. It is believed that Haney is less dangerous in terms of knockout, so he can afford such activity from the very beginning.
675  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: NFT slot Machine !! on: June 01, 2022, 06:22:41 PM
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I found this concept a bit different,  they are trying to build the whole concept around Metaverse with adding the NFT concept as well, I think this is quite different and would like to know the thoughts regarding this, would you play? Would you own the NFT, it's good to see the casinos coming up with new ideas.

https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/16589/crypto-casino-launches-first-nft-slot-machine

I am extremely skeptical about the concept of NFT, but positive about the concepts of the Metaverses (another question is that now there is no place for these concepts in life for technological reasons). Therefore, I can say that I am not interested in such things. If I wanted to do NFT trading, which is very similar to gambling, I would do it on specialized sites, but I go to the casino to directly engage in gambling. Even taking into account the fact that this is a new interesting trend, I am not interested in it in such an activity as gambling.
676  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: PH banned online cockfighting - Worst gambling-related cases recorded! on: June 01, 2022, 06:14:53 PM
Yes, that was one of the reasons and that was stated on the news. Other reasons are already mentioned by the OP.

Poor families are not mostly that got heavily affected but people on the mid-range standards. Those poor are already poor and can't sustain e-sabong betting compare to the middle class which has a fixed source of income.

Those missing people up to now mostly came from well-off families. No progress about their status until now.

Maybe I missed something but how are cockfights related to kidnappings? This is probably a purely criminal problem, and even if it is related to gambling and betting on cockfights, legal cockfights and legal gambling business have nothing to do with crime. The authorities should destroy crime, and not its "light" consequences in the form of illegal gambling (in fact, this is a crime without victims).
677  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The digital ID for Gambling on: June 01, 2022, 06:00:28 PM
This is nothing but a form of consumer protection in the gambling industry and the prosecution of stricter obligations for citizens in return. The problem is, is asking for personal information common in gambling companies in that country?
From other news, the country's revenue from online gambling decreased year by year by an average of 7%. Don't know if this means the number of players continues to decrease due to requests for personal information or there are more tax violators from gambling income which is the reason for this rule.

Another confirmation of the fact that the state, trying to do something good, does bad things (or it is so bad that this good turns into bad). If these measures are for the benefit of the people, then why are they running away from this jurisdiction and obviously playing either online or in other countries? I think the answer is obvious - people don't want such tight control and unreasonable taxes.
678  Local / Токены / Re: Все что нужно знать о NFT токенах on: May 31, 2022, 01:46:20 PM
Может быть это "владельцы" этих двух коллекций сервис и запустили, чтобы на фоне падения рынка NFT "подпереть" свои "ценные" NFT снизу.

Не исключено, но если это не так, то владельцев сервиса понять можно, они выбрали более-менее ликвидные и известные NFT для залога, потому что кому охота в качестве обеспечения принимать всякий шлак. Но вот ликвидационный механизм настораживает. NFT слишком рисковый актив и ценообразование этих токенов вообще непредсказуемо в период больших распродаж, можно в короткий промежуток времени остаться вообще без всего.

Скорее настораживает механизм оценки токена. Вряд ли это рыночная цена - так как ликвидность просто никакая, и в условиях накруток цена сделок не значит вообще ничего. Значит это должна быть какая-то экспертная оценка. Но что за эксперт подпишется хоть под какой-то ценой такого токена тоже неясно. В общем, все выглядит нелогично, если не рассматривать эту затею как очередную чепуху от холдеров NFT, имитирующих востребованность своего добра.
679  Other / Politics & Society / Re: FIFA and UEFA has suspended Russian Football teams. on: May 31, 2022, 01:34:31 PM
Russia made a completely unjustified invasion of a sovereign country like Ukraine on baseless accusations,it is only normal that they will be a completely isolated state and isolated not only from sport but from economy,technology and everything else.
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OK.. agreed. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is not justified and they need to be punished for their actions. But now please tell me what sort of actions were taken against the United States, after they invaded almost a dozen sovereign nations (Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya.etc) during the last two decades? Perhaps these invasions are "good" invasions and only the Russian invasions are "bad"? The law needs to be equal for everyone and we will be making a mistake if we give different treatment for different sides doing the same thing.

Isn't your question an obvious offtopic and whataboutism? In addition, maybe you will remind what territories the United States captured during these wars? While Russia is constantly stealing everything it can from its neighbors - Moldova, Georgia, Ukraine. The fact that the world is not isolating itself from the US is probably a sign that it agrees with their actions (and you forget that in most of these wars the US had many allies who fought alongside them).
680  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing] Canelo vs Golovkin 3 (September 17) on: May 31, 2022, 01:20:01 PM
Why are we judging this fight too early? Canelo is too arrogant if he is looking for his next fight after this, I think he should focus first on this fight as although GGG is quite old but he is a tough opponent, Canelo could not even dominate GGG in the last 2 fights they had againts each other.

Because during this 4 years pause Canelo has improved his skills and has entered his prime form, and GGG just became 4 years older. Look at boxers Canelo has fought after their second fight and GGG. Steve Rolls, top 39 in the world, Derevyachenko - top8, Szeremeta - top41, Murata - top10. While Canelo tried himself in different division and top2-top5 opponents all the time.

In addition, this 9 year difference is huge. It would be nothing if Canelo was 25 and GGG 34. But it is 31 and 40. Look on the age of current champions and those who are top3. Everyone are 30 +/- few years. GGG is like a dinosaur among them. If his skill is close to Canelo, than his stamina is not. He can compete with Canelo in early rounds, and in the second part of the fight he wont be that quick as Canelo.

The only was I see GGG could win, if Canelo will be loading his one KO punch all the time and GGG would follow Bivol tactics, throw combos and gain points. If Canelo would go for a knockout, then one again judges would decide the outcome of this fight. If both with go gaining points, then this time Canelo will honestly won by points.

Totally agree with you. I can add that if this fight had not been prepared for a long time, then after the loss to Bivol, holding such a fight would be like Golovkin helping Canello restore his name. Despite his age, Golovkin is an elite boxer and defeating him is a significant achievement for any boxer. In general, despite the respect for both boxers, this fight at the moment causes more negative than positive emotions.
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