I'm not telling anyone what to do.

I'm giving them food for thought. "Free information" is quite in the spirit of Bitcoin.

If anyone has a problem with it, it's because their own greed is being thwarted.

All you who are "poisoning the well" by trying to get people to ignore what I have to say -- you're the ones with the agenda.

Good for you. I'm just going to make sure that everyone is armed with sufficient knowledge, so that you (and others like you) won't be able to sell them for $160 next time 

Yes, in theory. But I don't screw around with OC to the max -- I had one of my Sapphire 5830's running pretty cool at 292 MH/s for over a day -- then I almost couldn't get the card working again. I decided to be more conservative in my OC after that. If I want more MH now, I'll buy another card. It's not worth my time to overclock. I'm a professional web developer; I make a lot more than $8 or $10 an hour

As always, it depends on the person. For example, if I had only 1 or 2 video cards, a $10/week allowance, and was living with mom, I might be more inclined to overclock...

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

It just means I'm used to leading the conversations on fora.

It also might mean I have more to contribute than the average member. I certainly have more age, knowledge, and experience than at least 1/2 the members here.

I've run a message board for the past 5 years. So I'm used to being more of a leader than a common member; it's a habit any forum owner can probably relate to.

You're right, I've seen plenty of that around here.

FYI -- Borito's just mad because I'm dispelling the ignorance he's preying on.

I'm costing him his "quick $50"s and he doesn't like it. Well, that's natural and to be expected.

How about someone attack me with some FACTS -- tell me why the 5830 is great at ANY price -- rather than calling me names. You know, it makes you look childish like you've lost the argument. It's called an "ad-hominem" attack. That's where you attack the arguer instead of his argument. It's the last resort of those who have no rebuttal to an argument...

Can someone here define troll for me?  I mean, objectively?

A troll is someone who joins a forum to "troll for responses" by offending the members of a given forum. He's messing around with their heads, and doesn't really belong there.

Just for starters, I have 3.5 Gh/s of mining hardware going right now -- I belong here as much as any of you.

I just disagree with certain posters here, and I oppose those who would take advantage of the ignorance of certain people. Selling a 5830 to somebody for $160 today is like trying to trade a king size candy bar to a small child for their "stupid piece of paper" $5 bill. It's just WRONG. It's taking advantage of ignorance.

I don't need to talk up bitcoin mining -- greed does just fine in that department. What we need is more of ME around to keep people thinking rationally.

The truth hurts though, and I didn't ever expect to popular for spouting it. Oh well. C'est la vie.

You're preying off ignorance, which is part of Capitalism, yes.

I'm here to dispel ignorance.

Have a nice day.

Just to let everyone know -- the cables worked out OK.

The problem I was having? It seemed to go away when I just re-seated both ends of the cable. I guess the lesson is "Those cables have to be 100% snug; connected all the way or they don't work". It isn't like I put them on half-way or something, either -- I just "pushed harder" on both ends, tried booting again, and it worked.

So if you're having trouble, try re-seating both ends of the cable.

What, were you being sarcastic when you said I was being a troll and that we're on the way to recovery?

You got me; I thought you were serious.

You really cheapen the meaning of troll by throwing it around at anyone who disagrees with you.

Go ahead, think that we're still in a manic bubble -- I'll stay over here in reality, thanks. You buy that 5830 for $160, and I'll buy it off you for $70 in a few weeks.

I notice they always want $160 -- not $150, or $170, but $160 -- as in, they'd like to make a nice even "fifty" on their deal.

I've run into several of these guys -- but they (and their would-be customers) need to learn a few things:

1. The 5830 doesn't make BTC fly out of your orifices. It's just a good video card for mining at the $110 price point.
2. The 5830 is one of the best entry-level mining cards there is -- when purchased for $110 or $120.
3. There are other cards that perform as well -- if not better -- at the $160 price point.

...and...pay attention here, boys...

4. The BTC mining market, while still profitable, is hardly in a "manic growth" phase anymore (or at least it shouldn't be). Newsflash! BTC aren't trading for $30 anymore. Anyone who's bought cards for a quick buck is LATE TO THE PARTY. As in, 3 weeks late. And we've had one Difficulty Reset since those halcyon $30 days as well (with another coming at the end of this week!)

5. The 5830 brings in 0.26 BTC per day (going by 255 MH/s). At the current market price of $11/BTC, that's $2.86 BEFORE YOU SUBTRACT ELECTRICITY and any conversion to USD fees. It will take a long time to earn $120 back, nevermind $160.

+1

$109, $119 -- not much difference. It doesn't change my post.

I'll post a revised version of it here -- tell me how this is "spam" (what, are you a non-native English speaker? Do you not know what "spam" is?)

I don't know...XFX has some pretty cheap fans.

What brand are they? And, were you running the fan @ 100%?

Anyhow, fans will only last so many cycles -- they don't age like a human being. Their only "aging" is how many times the fan has spun around. More RPM = less life, it's that simple.

I wouldn't pay more than 40% of original price for a card that was "run to death".

Shows what you know about engineering and computer hardware.

When you run them @ 100% they do *not* last for years.  Try months. As in, count-on-one-hand single-digit months.

So if I buy a new video card in the next month, I have to wonder if it's been used before, OC'd in some dude's rig for 2 weeks with the fan @ 100% (translated: 1/2 the fan's life gone)

I certainly hope NewEgg figures out sooner or later what's going on.

This guy still hasn't given us the slightest shred of proof that he's real and not a troll.

A grainy phone pic, please. That's all we ask. Don't tell me you don't have a digital camera. You have $10,000 to spend on mining hardware. You can afford a $50 camera. And don't tell me you're such a luddite you don't have a cell phone.