I prefer using Bitfinex. I trust the security much moreso than Cryptsy. You don't have problems with deposits and withdrawals either. I recommend all Darkcoin community members to migrate to Bitfinex.
Yes BFX is the great and very pro exchange. They have quick and quality support as well. +101 for them. fast but unclear interface and deposits, and will add that when making orders I don't know how much available balance I've got left, so I have to guess or do it on a calculater! I have had a Bitfinex account for months. Have gone into it 3 or 4 times only to just shake my head in exasperation at how ridiculously difficult it is to understand. Now maybe it's just me and I haven't developed the knowledge yet, but compared to every other exchange I've ever used I can barely make head or tail of it. I've gone into the "How it works" section too but that hasn't enlightened me much either. Is there a video intro or guide (or something....anything!!) that anyone can point to? |
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As many of you know we where the first brick and mortar business to accept DRK. I'm looking for a catchy phrase to post up on our winery website that is about to roll out about Dark...I'll donate some drk or some fine wine to the winner.
Our winery is Misconduct Wine Co. and it should be something smart IE: "At Misconduct...we believe what you do is your business...thats why we believe in privacy and promote DarkCoin" as an example...
We produce super premium wines, some in $100+ range so what we want for a phrase needs to appeal to that demographic.
thoughts?
Richard
"At Misconduct, we believe you enjoy our wines during your most special, intimate and private moments. That is why we offer you Darkcoin as payment option, to keep it that way." ? nice nice! "Dark thoughts today? Use anonymous Darkcoin to pay" |
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Hahaha! #GetIntoTheDark. Great work! Could you guys tweet @btc38com about adding a DRK/CNY pair. Something like: "@btc38com You should add a DRK/CNY pair, huge interest on DRK coming from China you should take the opportunity." I would do it myself, but I am not on Twitter, and please no Bitcoin Rush on this one, please. I will do it later, I want my current tweet to showcase for the rest of the afternoon, then I will tweet in time for them to see it in China. Great, Thanks! On a serious note, Minotaur, I won't tell you how to run the Darkcoin Ambassador Group, which I'm sure will be a huge sucess, and I would ask you not to tell me how to run the Darkcoin Twitter PR Initiative, which is and will continue to be a huge success. I will use Bitcoin Rush if I want to. We have a deal? If Darkcoin was a company and I was CEO, I'd fire you on the spot for this post right here and insisting on using the video. The ONLY redeeming part of that video is Evan of course. If you can't see how awful and uncharismatic the Bitcoin Rush presenter is after being told by pretty much everyone here multiple times, you need to rethink things a bit. I would dismiss Darkcoin so fucking fast if Bitcoin Rush was my first introduction to it. I would close that video way before reaching any essential part. You seem biased because you were on a Bitcoin Rush episode but you didn't come off much better than the presenter. You don't seem to be in touch with what's cool and what kind of actions and people have reach in marketing. Your Masternode guide is great (it's a technical thing and maybe more your forte) and the energy you put into what you do is admirable but definitely misplaced. #DarkLove hashtag? that sounds like interracial porn and #Getintothedark isn't very catchy either. You want widespread adoption and yet you fail to realize your own weaknesses and strenghts which would allow you to focus your energy better. It took 2 secs to think of a catchier hashtag that rolls of the tongue better  Whoa...anonymousxx1503... I think that is an excessively harsh and uncalled for rebuttal of Tao's thinking. The Bitcoinrush guy is clearly not everyone's cup of tea but I actually thought the video was pretty good and I appreciate the time and effort the many people involved put into it. Fortunately you're not the "CEO" as you would have unjustly removed a very hard working member of this team (and demonstrated a fear based culture common to the corporate world that's the very essence of what we're all here trying to move beyond). Tao might not be the world's most sophisticated marketing person but he's put a lot of content out there and brought many new people along to be interested in Darkcoin. His Twitter work and his dedication is admirable; all done off his own bat. Perhaps you might reconsider your words. It's an open source volunteer community. That means there are going to be many viewpoints on what's appropriate, what's good, what's bad, what we should do and what we shouldn't. Tao's key point on the anniversary/birthday video is that it's created much conversation and much discussion. Yes, there probably will be people that will be turned off and there'll be others that will think it's great (like the many supportive comments in this thread after it first aired). Most product/service/entities make things in their early days which end up having some cringe factor later on; but that's what's so appealing about being involved in the very beginnings of something amazing like Darkcoin. |
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If I was Mr. Spread and about to come back, after dumbfucks from the community publicly posted my IP and email I sure as hell wouldn't.
Good grief.
EXACTLY what I was thinking MyFarm! Re the poll; it's gonna be a smelly one (I expect the nose will be in front by a mile) |
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"retail adoption" is a notion almost every alt crypto sees as the holy grail
Yes, but I've yet to see evidence of any altcoin dev managing to achieve even a basic level of understanding of how to effectively pursue that path. Well, one obvious exception that proves the rule, Jackson Palmer ... I'm always impressed by the sheer power of cognitive dissonance and how it prevents people from putting 2 and 2 together in the simplest fashion. Dogecoin is unique in having a senior marketing professional as co-developer. Dogecoin's adoption stats are uniquely standout. Of the tiny handful of people I've encountered in this domain who understand that these two facts are causally related, not one is a dev.Cheers Graham Yep. There are people here who will howl you down and scream at you like you've committed a cardinal sin by just the mention of the word "marketing". It's the "purest propeller head 'puter geeks" who think they have a technological answer to every aspect of the human condition that typically are almost completely ignorant of what makes people tick and how to effect change. I don't know much about Dogecoin but you can't take away from their achievement even though technically it's a cryptocurrency that has almost no innovation or uniqueness. |
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If you can't see the long-term big picture than you have already wasted your time in the crypto world. We should never focus too much with where an idea is at, but where it will be in the future.
True. But I think the essence of what coins101 is getting at (and that I've acknowledged) is that "retail adoption" is a notion almost every alt crypto sees as the holy grail yet the competitive landscape of such a realm is enormous beyond measure and there are hundreds of inhibitors and hurdles on that pathway whereas other types of adoption in far more niche and specialised areas are likely to be more readily achieved. Which avenues would you consider to be the most important? Well what we've experienced so far with Spreadcoin is a wallet and masternode combination that's far simpler and nimble to use by comparison with many other coins. If that "simple/nimble" style of operation can be maintained this could be extended into simple social media tipping, or simple integration of SPR into all manner of online value exchange (particularly online betting). And then the masternode network could be used to provide many other services that need rapid/instant transaction confirmation that might be well outside purely "purchase" with SPR of a good or service; rapid voting or rapid contract execution (such as in auctions, etc). There are many pathways. This is where SPR's purpose and reason for being needs further work and further definition if it's to continue to NOT include Darksend as party of its feature set. |
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If you can't see the long-term big picture than you have already wasted your time in the crypto world. We should never focus too much with where an idea is at, but where it will be in the future.
True. But I think the essence of what coins101 is getting at (and that I've acknowledged) is that "retail adoption" is a notion almost every alt crypto sees as the holy grail yet the competitive landscape of such a realm is enormous beyond measure and there are hundreds of inhibitors and hurdles on that pathway whereas other types of adoption in far more niche and specialised areas are likely to be more readily achieved. |
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....SPR is a small transfer size which enables quick transactions. Bitcoin is impractical for retail. SPR is not.
Oh please. You need to be thinking about alternative uses. Forget about retail use. It ain't gonna happen. How about a "pie in the sky" shop? (Glad you said it coins....ridiculous to be talking retail at this point given where things are at) |
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WITNESS THE RAW POWER OF THE ARROGANCE OF BRIAN ARMSTRONG COINBASE CEO:
Back in the day, I had to sell some BTC to pay the fabrication facility makiing Bitfury USB miners. I used Coinbase. They fucked up the order which was going to delay my money for 3 more days which would have killed my timeline. I spent a couple of hours finding their top secret address and ended up knocking on their top secret door. Brian Armstrong opened the door personally after I spent some time talking very loudly with him through it. After threatening him a bit, he finally saw it my way and gave me a check to go away. My favorite part of the exchange: Brian (to nameless programmer on other side of the door): "This is why we don't want customers here". Me: "I can hear you" Brian: "Shit" - pause - "OK, come on in". What a brilliant story! That's just gold! |
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Remember everyone, this is for a Klondike bar.
I wish I knew what you are talking about. I've Googled "Klondike bar" but what does an icecream have to do with anything that's happened so far? (I'm in Australia so please forgive my lack of contextual awareness!) There was a commercial that goes "What would you do-ooooooo for a Klondike Bar?" Has no bearing on SPR. The dev is MIA and community members are trying to pick up where he left off, although I have doubts this will end well--tweak some variables here, and there, run it on testnet, push it to main, something breaks, oh-shit-what-do-we-do sort of scenario). With the pool argument gone, SPR is in bad shape, evident by the price action. Okay, thanks for the explanation. I agree. The likelihood of the people that have stepped forward pulling off a workable multi-individuals-but-no-leader team approach to taking SPR forward is minimal. Still, kudos for those people that believe they can do it for stepping forward to have a go. |
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I think I can speak for most people who have been here since Jan-Feb 2014 when I say, there's nothing that can faze us anymore.
That's one of the concerns I have. In some respects, a cult-like following is emerging. When your leader can do no wrong, you are not being objective. There's nothing wrong with believing in your dev team--especially as they continue to deliver. Further, you can certainly remain objective. Lastly, the whole project no longer hinges on one man. Unless you are physically contributing code yourself, you're going to have to put some trust in those coding away (a team that has been pretty open about their identities). I think your response is entirely valid and appropriate oblox. But I do think MyFarm raises a very important observance of a phenomena that's here in Darkcoin and many other crypto projects. We're very fortunate that we appear to have a lead dev that's somewhat impervious to all the glowing fanboy love that's showered on him (and I'm not for an instant suggesting Evan shouldn't be praised or given accolades for what he's achieved and continues to achieve) but there is massive amounts of confirmation bias at work in the many interactions between us all. For the project to become really robust and shock-proof this aspect of it needs to mature, which I believe it will, but more discussion on these psychological phenomena is required. "....but more discussion on these psychological phenomena is required." oh god, please no. Anything but that.  It's simple. Go out to work. Get paid. Buy Darkcoin. If you feel the urge to spend some of your money on, say, a present for your better half or food for the kids, then you're ok. If you think about spending money on other things and decide to spend your money on DRK anyway, then you have reached cult follower status. You will probably die rich, alone and very happy. PM for the number of a great blonde escort  Okay. Situationally aware thinking cap removed. Ah...that feels so much better. Ignorance to the machinations of my fellow man will take me so much further! Thanks coins, you rock! |
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Remember everyone, this is for a Klondike bar.
I wish I knew what you are talking about. I've Googled "Klondike bar" but what does an icecream have to do with anything that's happened so far? (I'm in Australia so please forgive my lack of contextual awareness!) |
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I think I can speak for most people who have been here since Jan-Feb 2014 when I say, there's nothing that can faze us anymore.
That's one of the concerns I have. In some respects, a cult-like following is emerging. When your leader can do no wrong, you are not being objective. There's nothing wrong with believing in your dev team--especially as they continue to deliver. Further, you can certainly remain objective. Lastly, the whole project no longer hinges on one man. Unless you are physically contributing code yourself, you're going to have to put some trust in those coding away (a team that has been pretty open about their identities). I think your response is entirely valid and appropriate oblox. But I do think MyFarm raises a very important observance of a phenomena that's here in Darkcoin and many other crypto projects. We're very fortunate that we appear to have a lead dev that's somewhat impervious to all the glowing fanboy love that's showered on him (and I'm not for an instant suggesting Evan shouldn't be praised or given accolades for what he's achieved and continues to achieve) but there is massive amounts of confirmation bias at work in the many interactions between us all. For the project to become really robust and shock-proof this aspect of it needs to mature, which I believe it will, but more discussion on these psychological phenomena is required. |
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MN in the actual wallet now? Or is Mr Spread wallet addy? (That's my bit of classic one line ambiguity, confusion and frankly, stupidity because I've not bothered to write a decent sentence that clarifies what I'm asking or whether it's a question, a statement or something morphing between the two. Internet forums: land of the "I couldn't write a coherent sentence to save myself".) |
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Stop being so selfish worrying about your investment.
I am more worried about Mr Spread than i am about my investment. I hope nothing happened to him or his family or any bad thing i really hope no natural disaster cut off power where he lives. And i honestly serenely hope he is doing alright. I care about that more than i care for my investment. Because it is only money. And money is not everything.
Did I even mention "my investment"  ? I'm just as concerned for him but I'm trying to get people to think through the reality of what's going on. He's clearly a good and talented guy and the travesty is that if he never logs back on again we won't ever know what happened. I really hope he does resurface and there's validity to what ever's caused this lengthy absence. |
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I'm not at all hopeful but will be very pleased if he does resurface. So much good work has been done and there are so many good people here holding on.
However, all this speculation about people travelling during Chinese New Year and it can last a week right though to 24/Feb, and it's highly likely he's with family, etc. Ask yourself this question: When in the last 15 years have I, suddenly without warning whilst in the middle of an important piece of work where I'm communicating regularly with stakeholders, gone completely offline for one whole week (i.e. not logged on even once to do a quick check for any important emails)?
The answer for me is absolutely never. Given Mr Spread's enthusiasm and continual interaction I can't imagine he'd be a person even capable of a) not advising he's going to be incommunicado for a while b) if he is "away" not logging on once or twice to see what's going on.
I know nobody wants to face the awful possibility that he's never logging back in again but if you ask yourself the above question the likelihood that he's just off celebrating Chinese New Year and hasn't gone near an Internet device in all that time is very remote.
What if the weather got bad and he lost power? Maybe he just decided to rough it while he was locked into his home. For an entire week? We're speculating he's in China but we don't know that for sure. If we'd heard about some massive natural disaster where millions are cut-off from normal services, yes that would be a possibility. But he's likely to be a guy that's just as (if not more so) resourceful than any of us and wouldn't just let weather have him offline for this long. Wouldn't have to be millions. The weather would only have to get cold enough to kill a power station. Or snow say 8 feet? Weather for Harbin China: http://www.weather.com/weather/tenday/l/Harbin+China+CHXX0046:1:CHOr even Russia. Everyone knows how cold it is in Russia. Just because people get snowed in doesn't mean it will be heard worldwide. Especially with the Chinese government. They don't want the world to hear anything bad about them. You can't paint him up to be a god. It is entirely plausible that he is going without power for a week. That happens across the world all the time. Well that's true that this could happen and it may not make the mainstream media. However, I'd still expect he'd be a pretty resourceful fellow and would've found a way to at least get online and post a message telling us he's holed up by some extreme event. Hopefully he'll suddenly appear with stories of Godzilla having taken out most of the city where he lives and that he only managed to get out at the last moment but then had to deal with the walking dead..... |
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I'm not at all hopeful but will be very pleased if he does resurface. So much good work has been done and there are so many good people here holding on.
However, all this speculation about people travelling during Chinese New Year and it can last a week right though to 24/Feb, and it's highly likely he's with family, etc. Ask yourself this question: When in the last 15 years have I, suddenly without warning whilst in the middle of an important piece of work where I'm communicating regularly with stakeholders, gone completely offline for one whole week (i.e. not logged on even once to do a quick check for any important emails)?
The answer for me is absolutely never. Given Mr Spread's enthusiasm and continual interaction I can't imagine he'd be a person even capable of a) not advising he's going to be incommunicado for a while b) if he is "away" not logging on once or twice to see what's going on.
I know nobody wants to face the awful possibility that he's never logging back in again but if you ask yourself the above question the likelihood that he's just off celebrating Chinese New Year and hasn't gone near an Internet device in all that time is very remote.
What if the weather got bad and he lost power? Maybe he just decided to rough it while he was locked into his home. For an entire week? We're speculating he's in China but we don't know that for sure. If we'd heard about some massive natural disaster where millions are cut-off from normal services, yes that would be a possibility. But he's likely to be a guy that's just as (if not more so) resourceful than any of us and wouldn't just let weather have him offline for this long. |
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I'm not at all hopeful but will be very pleased if he does resurface. So much good work has been done and there are so many good people here holding on.
However, all this speculation about people travelling during Chinese New Year and it can last a week right though to 24/Feb, and it's highly likely he's with family, etc. Ask yourself this question: When in the last 15 years have I, suddenly without warning whilst in the middle of an important piece of work where I'm communicating regularly with stakeholders, gone completely offline for one whole week (i.e. not logged on even once to do a quick check for any important emails)?
The answer for me is absolutely never. Given Mr Spread's enthusiasm and continual interaction I can't imagine he'd be a person even capable of a) not advising he's going to be incommunicado for a while b) if he is "away" not logging on once or twice to see what's going on.
I know nobody wants to face the awful possibility that he's never logging back in again but if you ask yourself the above question the likelihood that he's just off celebrating Chinese New Year and hasn't gone near an Internet device in all that time is very remote.
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I think is appropiate now to put this old post of mine in perspective. I hope that the investors here that were not originally invested in DRK, actually bought some Darkcoin. People like MyFarm, thelonecrouton, defunctec, Jesse Livermore, etc, are for the most part not affected by this failure. They could only win if things went well and if not they still had their DRK. I think they were taking a measured risk so now they just go back to focus on DRK. For any other members of the SPR community think about getting some DRK and helping us build the best coin in the market. Darkcoin has a long way to go still and we have a transparent development team with a proven track record that will not abandon the coin. We need all the help we can get and you already know how our coin works. Welcome if you decide to join the DRK community. I must say that I do enjoy having SPR around and I am excited to see what happens. I am not investing in it though, as I donīt see the added value proposition in terms of the end user compared to DRK. The differences are of form, do the masternodes a little different, do the mining a little different, but nothing different than DRK or BTC for the end user. For now the only end user directed feature I have heard of is copying InstantX from DRK, but DRK already has that. So no original added value from an end user perspective yet, lets see what the future holds.
On the other hand, I dont like investing in anonymous developers and also I have the feeling that some early holders have more power over the project than the developer himself. So in the end, I wouldnt know who I am entrusting my money with.
The last thing that I would say is that the DRK holders that are here have all their bases covered, they already own nice amounts of DRK and is not like they sold those to hold SPR. So the newbies here should be careful and do the same and cover their bases buy some DRK. Some of the DRK holders here see this as a side investment if it does not go well they still have their DRK so they are OK if it goes well they make some profit, so they don't have much to loose.
Other DRK holders saw an opportunity to buy lots of this really cheap and promote it as an alternative within the community and then others bought that idea as they could buy more of this than they could DRK and are hoping for rewards. Those are all very good valid reasons to take a risk, but again, they all have their bases covered. If you are a newbie here with no DRK holdings you are assuming a greater risk than they are and that puts you at a disadvantage if you have decided you want to support this coin you must hedge your investment and buy some DRK, since for now it is trying to be a copy of a much more established coin, it makes no sense to only hold the copy. The ones that hold the original and the copy too, have all their bases covered are doing it right. The ones that only hold the copy are running a greater risk and are at the hands of the first group.
Good luck with the project, lets see how it goes. I am staying with DRK though a lot more to do still. Cheers.
It was an interesting little side experiment. I too was very uncomfortable with the anon dev as it's so open to abuse or just one big ? should they suddenly disappear. And that's what's now happened. You can't build a lasting and useful digital currency under such conditions so it was always going to be mostly speculative. But some interesting stuff came from it as well. The last thing that I would say is that the DRK holders that are here have all their bases covered, they already own nice amounts of DRK and is not like they sold those to hold SPR. So the newbies here should be careful and do the same and cover their bases buy some DRK. Some of the DRK holders here see this as a side investment if it does not go well they still have their DRK so they are OK if it goes well they make some profit, so they don't have much to loose.
So I only put a small amount into this (thank goodness) and got out a few days ago at 0.00025000 when I first highlighted something was very wrong with Mr Spread having not logged on for 3 days (which is now 6). It hasn't affected my main focus which is DRK. |
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spreadcoin is crashing below 10k soon.
Mark my word!
16k now
Who believe me and dump your spreadcoin? Now spreadcoin is dead. Mr Spread has run away! All the bagholders here. I will buy your spreadcoin at 1 satoshi each That's interesting. Only an idiot would buy a dead coin. So you are either an idiot, or a liar. I have a bitcoin invested in SPR and i'm holding out till the end. This coin has so much potential. Over on spreadcoin talk the guys are discussing picking up the project and running with it. The community is so strong that this coin is not dead.
I was being sarcastic. Look at the post above mine. The guy said he would buy up SPR for dirt cheap because it was a dead coin. Yep, I guessed that. But in using those words one gleans something of your likely subconscious resignation. |
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